Location: Sasori fought Chiyo and Sakura
Mindset: In Character
Restrictions: None
Intel: Manga
Distance: Where Sasuke was when facing Deidara on the ground.
Condition: Sasori starts in Hiruko
I would like to judge. Although you may want to have a back up for me just In case I can't make it to the Library (The only days off from work I have are tommorow and Tuesday, so those would be my prime days to give a judgement. I also work late afternnoons, so I could still judge in the coming days)
Hebi Sasuke can take this with high diff especially since Sasori doesn't start in 3rd Kazekage like people usually claim.I wish both debaters good luck.
Normally when Sasori starts with this puppet, usually both debaters conclude that the character they are facing can bypass this stage and thus start their real arguments, facing the 3rd Kazekage. But I am simply taking another approach in this condition.
Alot of people over looked the conditions on how Saukra and Chiyo were successful to defeat this puppet. Lets take a look on what Chiyo says in order to defeat it.
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To understand on the Spoiler, the context applies that Hiruko attacks are like solving a puzzle in a way to dodge them specifically. And with 95 percent knowledge on Hiruko for Chiyo she was successful to complete it. Also:
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A good blunt force it also applied to crush its defense. If Piercing is apply only would result of leaving the opponent open to still be shot, at due to "pain infliction" from Sasori being ineffective, and continuously attack
Well so what does that say about Sasuke? Well EjBlack, wouldn't Sasuke just use Sharingan to predict the attacks and use his superior speed to end this?
Not quite. The Sharingan has not been able to predict object as well as people. Because the mechanics are completely different: since the muscles have a certain delay to move, the Sharingan should see that and anticipate the movements accordingly; the problem is that what I just explained doesn't happen with a projectile/object, so I don't think the Sharingan will be useful vs. traps. Thus leaves Sasuke relying on his Speed to successfully dodge the traps.
With that said, Chiyo's knowledge made her be successful. The extreme problem for Sasuke will be the Torpedo-shaped left arm (Which launches at all directions) and the deadly strike from the tail. To underestimate the tail just yet:
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This move as perfect reaction and what stop the tail from letting Sakura be succesful was Chiyo herself.
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So the double teamed helped a lot.
Concluding Hiruko's standpoint: Will it really be truly easy for Sasuke to pass this section? I am leaving it like this, it is truly questionable for Sasuke not getting scratch in these conditions:
1. Sharingan doesn't predict objects and mechanic like it does to human movement and chakra base attacks.
1a. Thus making him very vulnerable to Hiruko left arm brace attack (which fires all directions) and then and following led from the tail's strike for getting to close.
2. Blunt force needs to be applied. If extending Chidori is suppose to force him escape he will be open to get shot due to ineffective pain.
3. Sasuke's method eventually loses his stamina and chakra "before the real fights starts".
Following with my 1st point will he truly beat Hiruko without a scratch?
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If by miracle Sasuke doesn't get scratch from Hiruko, summoning the 3rd Kazekage definitely does the job.
There isn't much to elaborate on from here, Simple points are only needed. The only thing I will like to point out for now:
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Remember Chiyo's statement? Thats right after reading you know that Sasuke's sword is no longer his. It can be used against him or removed from him, due the the 3rd Kakekage's magnetism.
With that being said Sasuke now has to strictly use jutsu's in order to defeat the 3rd Kazekage.
Not only did he waste stamina to try and defeat Hikuro but now he is will struggle to attempt to hopefully beat this puppet.
But due to the this puppets overwhelming power this puppet ends the match
Man yall already know ya boy Prince finna get turnt up when i changed my ava to sasuke! Btw I don't see how you can hate from our side of da club.. when you cant even get in.. haha LEH GO
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Normally when Sasori starts with this puppet, usually both debaters conclude that the character they are facing can bypass this stage and thus start their real arguments, facing the 3rd Kazekage. But I am simply taking another approach in this condition.[/COLOR]
Doesnt make a difference to me because sasuke is not losing.
Alot of people over looked the conditions on how Saukra and Chiyo were successful to defeat this puppet. Lets take a look on what Chiyo says in order to defeat it.
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To understand on the Spoiler, the context applies that Hiruko attacks are like solving a puzzle in a way to dodge them specifically. And with 95 percent knowledge on Hiruko for Chiyo she was successful to complete it
They are not overlooked. You're simply over exaggerating the scan. Lady chiyo was simply One should be careful when it comes to hiruko due to it's surprised traps. A shinobi with the speed and reaction like sasuke will have no problem honestly.
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A good blunt force it also applied to crush its defense. If Piercing is apply only would result of leaving the opponent open to still be shot, at due to "pain infliction" from Sasori being ineffective, and continuously attack.
A good blunt force is not needed to break hiruko. The defense of hiruko is enhanced because it has a heavy black shell. That alone isnt protecting it from chidori spear[
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]. The distance actually helps me where since it is where deidara and sasuke faced off on the ground[
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]. The length of Chidori spear is about 5m. The distance between deidara and sasuke more or less of 5m.
Sasuke was able to cover that distance between deidara and himself instantly[
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]. The same thing will happen to sasori while in hiruko since the distance is practically the same.
Well so what does that say about Sasuke? Well EjBlack, wouldn't Sasuke just use Sharingan to predict the attacks and use his superior speed to end this?
Not quite. The Sharingan has not been able to predict object as well as people. Because the mechanics are completely different: since the muscles have a certain delay to move, the Sharingan should see that and anticipate the movements accordingly; the problem is that what I just explained doesn't happen with a projectile/object, so I don't think the Sharingan will be useful vs. traps. Thus leaves Sasuke relying on his Speed to successfully dodge the traps.
Obviously you do not understand sasukes speed. Sasori WILL fall victim to his shunshin.
Obviously you don't know what your talking about. His reaction time is enough to dodge the attacks coming from sasori. The fact that sakura and lady chiyo were capable of dodging his needles and incoming attacks clearly suggests that sasuke can. And I know lady chiyo was controlling sakura but that doesnt change the fact that also lady chiyo was capable of evading sasoris attacks.
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All those spoilers you see above show lady chiyo capable of dodging hiruko's attacks, an old fragile woman. Its blasphemy to think sasuke wont be able to dodge them.
Lady chiyo already elaborates on how CQC is a a puppeteer's weakness[
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]. This lady is demonstrated when sakura gets in radius of hiruko and smashes it to pieces[
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With that said, Chiyo's knowledge made her be successful. The extreme problem for Sasuke will be the Torpedo-shaped left arm (Which launches at all directions) and the deadly strike from the tail. To underestimate the tail just yet:
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This move as perfect reaction and what stop the tail from letting Sakura be succesful was Chiyo herself.
The knowledge on hiruko does not play a huge role here. Yes it was helpful to lady chiyo and sakura mainly due to the fact that they are not capable of doing what sasuke can do. Sasuke already demonstrated to react quick to certain situation as shown with deiedara[
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Knowledge on hiruko is not a key factor here. Non of sasori's attacks are reaching sasuke with his immense speed and reaction time. Sasuke has already shown to analyze his battles swiftly and without mistake[
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Concluding Hiruko's standpoint: Will it really be truly easy for Sasuke to pass this section? I am leaving it like this, it is truly questionable for Sasuke not getting scratch in these conditions:
1. Sharingan doesn't predict objects and mechanic like it does to human movement and chakra base attacks.
1a. Thus making him very vulnerable to Hiruko left arm brace attack (which fires all directions) and then and following led from the tail's strike for getting to close.
2. Blunt force needs to be applied. If extending Chidori is suppose to force him escape he will be open to get shot due to ineffective pain.
3. Sasuke's method eventually loses his stamina and chakra "before the real fights starts".
Following with my 1st point will he truly beat Hiruko without a scratch?
Yet lady chiyo was able to evade the needles and objects? her knowledge doesnt have influence on her evasive and reaction skills.
Obviously your underestimating his stamina and chakra as seeing he capable of defeating 1000 shinobi.
Blunt force is not needed for hiruko. Chidori spear is more than capable of penetrating it and slicing it in half.
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If by miracle Sasuke doesn't get scratch from Hiruko, summoning the 3rd Kazekage definitely does the job.
There isn't much to elaborate on from here, Simple points are only needed. The only thing I will like to point out for now:
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Remember Chiyo's statement? Thats right after reading you know that Sasuke's sword is no longer his. It can be used against him or removed from him, due the the 3rd Kakekage's magnetism.
With that being said Sasuke now has to strictly use jutsu's in order to defeat the 3rd Kazekage.
Not only did he waste stamina to try and defeat Hikuro but now he is will struggle to attempt to hopefully beat this puppet.
But due to the this puppets overwhelming power this puppet ends the match
Again hiruko is no big deal here. Sasuke's stamina and chakra will still be plenty as seeing he was still capable of taking on 1000 shinobi. The third kazekage's attacks are not catching sasuke. The fact that lady chiyo was capable of intervening with her puppet and catch sakura[
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] clearly shows their is a large time frame which sasuke will be able to evade with his God like speed.
The magnetism getting sasukes katana will happen I won't deny that but it doesnt play a big factor here. Btw your somewhat wrong when you say the sharigan cant see objects well. kakashi suggest he could keep up with the fast attack frequency of the sharp chakra needles from FRS[
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