Either its Hype or Plot Hole

[F1N1X]

Wrong. Mud is just an extension of earth. There's wind jutsu that kicks up dust, does that mean Dust Release is involved? No, earth style allows you to control earth and its density. You can make it into stone or mud, there's no extra element involved with mud

Are u serious so how is it that lava is not an extension of fireU_U
plus u have not answered my question...where did kakashi say that coz i only saw that in the naruto shippuden movie

 

[BelievesItsNotButter]

OOO GOD,to be able to perform a mud style justu u need to have water & earth,just like wood is water & earth,like yamato can do water&earth..so also the 1st can do water& earth becoz he can do wood....to the lava u have to have fire & earth&waterU_Uit's the basic rule

The mud release only appears in the anime not the manga. So if we want to go by anime logic, we can look at the fact that mud was used again in shippuden in filler of episode 67 when there was a chick who had hair that allowed her to control all of the seals. She was able to use mud without water but when she added water it sped up the flow.

 

[F1N1X]

*Sigh* it was a earth style jutsu.

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Earth style doesn't require water, only wood style does.

Sorry but thats not the one am taking about..it's the one he used on orochimaro,JESUS..u think they will remeber everything about naruto

 

[-Vegeta-]

Sorry but thats not the one am taking about..it's the one he used on orochimaro,JESUS..u think they will remeber everything about naruto

And that was completely filler hence it's non canon.

Besides that was also an earth jutsu.

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[BelievesItsNotButter]

The problem is that u want to know every thing about hiruzen's power when u have only seen him fight once & at an age where a lot of ninjas would not be able to live up toU_U

But nobody ever even claimed that he could master all the seals. Ikura said he was a god among shinobi but didnt say he knew all the seals. I could just as easily say that shino knows all the seals but you haven't seen him because he prefers his bugs so there is a plot hole. Claiming that he is capable of more just because you have yet to see him do it is ridiculous

 

[F1N1X]

The mud release only appears in the anime not the manga. So if we want to go by anime logic, we can look at the fact that mud was used again in shippuden in filler of episode 67 when there was a chick who had hair that allowed her to control all of the seals. She was able to use mud without water but when she added water it sped up the flow.

Ammm i think u meant the movie..plus what am saying is alos is the manga,even yamato has explained how combining 2 elements form a new 1
Fire+Water+earth=lava
water+earth=mud
wind+water=sometin forgotten the namexd
And a lot more,it doesn't just appliy to the 3rd but to every 2 or 3 elements users...even haku explained this in the part 1U_U

 

[-Vegeta-]

Ammm i think u meant the movie..plus what am saying is alos is the manga,even yamato has explained how combining 2 elements form a new 1
Fire+Water+earth=lava
water+earth=mud
wind+water=sometin forgotten the namexd
And a lot more,it doesn't just appliy to the 3rd but to every 2 or 3 elements users...even haku explained this in the part 1U_U

This is completely wrong.

Fire+Earth=Lava
Water+Earth=Wood

 

[Punk Hazard]

Are u serious so how is it that lava is not an extension of fireU_U
plus u have not answered my question...where did kakashi say that coz i only saw that in the naruto shippuden movie

Yes I'm serious. Lava is a Kekkei Genkai. The reason you need earth to make lava with fire is fire is pure energy. There's no way to take fire and just manipulate it into lava, you have to combine them: fire melts the earth and super-heats it, creating lava.

With earth, it is possible to manipulate into mud without water because earth style allows you to control earth using your chakra.

Basically, mud is an extension of earth since a ninja can soften it using their will

Lava is neither an extension of earth or lava, its a whole new thing, since there's no way to just manipulate earth or fire separately to make lava, they rely on each other

As for your other question, I think its when they were doing Wind Training

 

[F1N1X]

But nobody ever even claimed that he could master all the seals. Ikura said he was a god among shinobi but didnt say he knew all the seals. I could just as easily say that shino knows all the seals but you haven't seen him because he prefers his bugs so there is a plot hole. Claiming that he is capable of more just because you have yet to see him do it is ridiculous

I never said he could do it for sure so stop sounding like vegetaU_U

 

[F1N1X]

This is completely wrong.

Fire+Earth=Lava
Water+Earth=Wood

well maybe u don't need water but i still think that mud is water mixed with earth

 

[BelievesItsNotButter]

Ammm i think u meant the movie..plus what am saying is alos is the manga,even yamato has explained how combining 2 elements form a new 1
Fire+Water+earth=lava
water+earth=mud
wind+water=sometin forgotten the namexd
And a lot more,it doesn't just appliy to the 3rd but to every 2 or 3 elements users...even haku explained this in the part 1U_U

fire+earth=lava (jsut because it is a liquid does not mean it needs water)

Like i said, the mud was only featured in the anime which means I can use filler logic. In episode 67 of shippuden a woman used mud only using the earth seal. She later added water to increase the speed. This means that basic mud in the anime does not require water.

wind+water=??? if you can actually tell me what this ability is mabye ill give you this one.

This still does not cover all the seals. This still does not make for a plot hole. Even if you can prove all but one there is still no hole.

I know haku explained it. Because haku uses ice which needs water and wind. Last I checked the 3rd never used ice

 

[F1N1X]

Yes I'm serious. Lava is a Kekkei Genkai. The reason you need earth to make lava with fire is fire is pure energy. There's no way to take fire and just manipulate it into lava, you have to combine them: fire melts the earth and super-heats it, creating lava.

With earth, it is possible to manipulate into mud without water because earth style allows you to control earth using your chakra.

Basically, mud is an extension of earth since a ninja can soften it using their will

Lava is neither an extension of earth or lava, its a whole new thing, since there's no way to just manipulate earth or fire separately to make lava, they rely on each other

As for your other question, I think its when they were doing Wind Training

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKxd i give up
BUT naturally earth plus water =mud & it has been shown in the avater
But kakashi never said that in the wind o wait i think he didbut he said imposible but imposible doesn't exist in the naruto world

 

[Owarij]

wind is rare in konoha, possibly noone had it in the time he got the name professor..
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hiruzen was not known for having all the jutsu in konoha...


anyways... IT IS possible to have all 5 elements.. but for most people its EXTREMELY Hard years of training to even master their affinity.... so non affinity elements take even longer.....

according to the databook under chakra i believe, it would take years of training to master all 5 elements....

orochimaru knew that and wanted to learn all jutsu.... he also knew that for most its impossible in the short space of a human life(90 years) , which is why he decided learn immortality first..

Now , it was never said that hiruzen mastered all the elements... thats a feat that nagato did...

it was said however that at a certain point in time, he knew all EXISTING konoha jutsu.... not dead people, etc, and common sense should indicate no hidens or kkgs....