[Discussion] Edo Tensei

[~Zonta~]

Edo Tensei was Second hokage's jutsu and in Naruto part 1 Orochimaru used Edo tesnei to revive 1st hokage, 2nd hokage to battle against Hiruzen third hokage being said first was the strongest of all ninja's but third hokage sealed both first and second and died in the end but orochimaru lost his hand....

- If madara who knew how to break edo tensei control would not it have been easier for the two (1st and 2nd) to break it since orochimaru could did not master and control the justsu yet??
- So if Hiruzen fought two hokage then could he have been a match for Edo madara if he had been revived ???
- If edo tensei was so powerful what would happened if Hashirama and Madara both have been revived at the same time in the war??
- Would Edo Hashirama defeat edo madara with rinnegan ??? (Since madara already outdid Edo Tensei control)
- Could 1st and 2nd hokage outrun the jutsu as Madara did ??? What about 3rd and 4th??

What are your thoughts on this.......

 

[UchihaInza]

i think Hiruzen would have his hands full but he would get the job done with naruto kurama b hachibi sharingan kakashi it wouldnt be fair for Lord Madara Uchiha Inza

 

[Simple Math]

so many questions at once... what excatly do you want answer on?

 

[Khallil]

madara could break it after itachi let kabuto do the handsigns

 

[~Zonta~]

so many questions at once... what excatly do you want answer on?

I had my doubts i really wanted to know what 1st hokage was capable off as Madara went on and on about how he repected him, how he would be match and how they would need to redraw the maps and all. Also wanted to know about 2nd since was using this jutsu so kind combined it in one

 

[Kirikoe]

hiruzen was completely over powered and had to opt for a suicide tech.. forgetting this remember orochimaru inserted some kind of scroll in the 1st and 2nd restricting wat they could do ... there actions wasnt there own... i think kabuto let madara sort of roam free to some extent this could be why madara managed to break out

 

[~Zonta~]

i think Hiruzen would have his hands full but he would get the job done with naruto kurama b hachibi sharingan kakashi it wouldnt be fair for Lord Madara Uchiha Inza

it would have been hard but madara did defeat 5 kage like it was nothing... atleast the man who sealed 1st hoakge could have fought him on par with help of naruto, hachibi and others

 

[shica]

dude first of all the jutsu that orochimaru used was CALL reincarnation JUTSU get ur facts right this jutsu allows the summons to be jus a little stronger than the tribute that was used to summon it in the frist place ..if u want too make a thread please get ur facts right ok ...where as edo tensei dose not need a tribute ok BUB

 

[RYUZZAKI]

I think Orochimaru Perfect Edo tense,I think Madara Break Edo With his Sharingan some how....Hashirama and Tobirama couldn't break edo tense

He definetly have a huge difficutl match with hiruzen,he is called as professor, He knows more than 1000 ninjutsus and he knows REAPER DEATH SEAL

Hashirama is going to used and madara don't care about hashirama because he isn't a tread to him any more

No Hashirama can not defete Eod Madara With Rinnagan because He ha WOOD,EMS,RINNAGAN,...and lots of stuff

I think To break Edo tense them self they need a power full Sharingan so 1st, 3rd, 4th ca not

 

[~Zonta~]

madara could break it after itachi let kabuto do the handsigns

madara did have control from the start and he knew the seals but wanted to revive by rinne tensei not as an edo so he went on with it but when jutsu was released he breaked through in order to finish his plans...........

hiruzen was completely over powered and had to opt for a suicide tech.. forgetting this remember orochimaru inserted some kind of scroll in the 1st and 2nd restricting wat they could do ... there actions wasnt there own... i think kabuto let madara sort of roam free to some extent this could be why madara managed to break out

If so, 1st being the most powerful ninja even powerful than madara might have defeated Hiruzen but went down to sealing tech in the end and we did not see 1st hokage using any strong jutsu in that part

 

[~Zonta~]

dude first of all the jutsu that orochimaru used was CALL reincarnation JUTSU get ur facts right this jutsu allows the summons to be jus a little stronger than the tribute that was used to summon it in the frist place ..if u want too make a thread please get ur facts right ok ...where as edo tensei dose not need a tribute ok BUB

man you should get your own facts right see it for yourself dude before being too arrogant and rude
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[~Zonta~]

I think Orochimaru Perfect Edo tense,I think Madara Break Edo With his Sharingan some how....Hashirama and Tobirama couldn't break edo tense

He definetly have a huge difficutl match with hiruzen,he is called as professor, He knows more than 1000 ninjutsus and he knows REAPER DEATH SEAL

Hashirama is going to used and madara don't care about hashirama because he isn't a tread to him any more

No Hashirama can not defete Eod Madara With Rinnagan because He ha WOOD,EMS,RINNAGAN,...and lots of stuff

I think To break Edo tense them self they need a power full Sharingan so 1st, 3rd, 4th ca not

madara knew the seals he did not use sharingan to break the jutsu..... yeah I can agree 3rd can match him for sure...

Hashirama was powerful shinobi he did defeat madara when they fought and madara survived somehow and went into hiding gaining the hashirama's DNA to unlock rinnegan and wood technique.... so we can say he close to being the sage of six paths but edo hashirama can be on par with eod madara but not sure who will win.......

 

[The Alchemist]

Edo Tensei was Second hokage's jutsu and in Naruto part 1 Orochimaru used Edo tesnei to revive 1st hokage, 2nd hokage to battle against Hiruzen third hokage being said first was the strongest of all ninja's but third hokage sealed both first and second and died in the end but orochimaru lost his hand....

- If madara who knew how to break edo tensei control would not it have been easier for the two (1st and 2nd) to break it since orochimaru could did not master and control the justsu yet??
- So if Hiruzen fought two hokage then could he have been a match for Edo madara if he had been revived ???
- If edo tensei was so powerful what would happened if Hashirama and Madara both have been revived at the same time in the war??
- Would Edo Hashirama defeat edo madara with rinnegan ??? (Since madara already outdid Edo Tensei control)
- Could 1st and 2nd hokage outrun the jutsu as Madara did ??? What about 3rd and 4th??

What are your thoughts on this.......

Orochimaru perfected the jutsu. The first and second had no conscious control due to the tags Orochimaru placed in their heads, he did this to make them killing machines. Kabuto on the other hand allowed them to retain their consciousness in what was clearly a form of psychological warfare, putting people like Sai and his "brother"/lover against one another. This was Kabuto's fatal flaw in his plan because he never dreamed the jutsu could be broken but of course it was... twice.
The first and Second more than likely could have done the same but Orochimaru made sure they didn't have the chance.
But you must remember also that Kabuto stated that he enhanced the powers of Madara making him even stronger than he was at the time of his fight with Hashirama so I think he is now stronger than both Hashirama and Hiruzen. Also he has Nagato's rin'negan and though he seems unable to use it's jutsu (neither Obito nor Madara has used one technique from the rin'negan even though it's supposedly Madara's I find that curious to say the least) he looks to be the most OP character at the moment.

 

[TheWillofFire]

- If madara who knew how to break edo tensei control would not it have been easier for the two (1st and 2nd) to break it since orochimaru could did not master and control the justsu yet??
1st and 2nd werel being controlled all times by Oro

- So if Hiruzen fought two hokage then could he have been a match for Edo madara if he had been revived ???
No Edo Madara is on a whole new tier than regular Madara, maybe if it was regular Madara, Hiruzen could stand a chance

- If edo tensei was so powerful what would happened if Hashirama and Madara both have been revived at the same time in the war??
This is contradictory as Madara had hashis full power in his edo state. If Madara did not have hashis full power and if both were to be revived they prob would still be on equal terms.

- Would Edo Hashirama defeat edo madara with rinnegan ??? (Since madara already outdid Edo Tensei control)
Again Madara has full power of his own AND hashis, while hashi just has his own power, so no Edo hashi would not stand a chance unless hashi has other powers than his own.

- Could 1st and 2nd hokage outrun the jutsu as Madara did ??? What about 3rd and 4th??
They probably could, but they would never ever do such a thing, it would not be a Hokage thing to do, only Uchiha

 

[~Zonta~]

1. when kabuto edo'ed madara he rigged him to have his concious still. the 1st and 2nd hokage didnt have their concience because im guessing oro hadn't perfected jutsu yet.

2. hiruzen was old as hell so no i dont think he could have beat madara....MAYBE if he was in his prime but who knows

too lazy to finish this

initially 1st and 2nd hokage had their conscious they did address him as saru (monkey) and they did apologize to hiruzen for causing him touble at end but didn't break through more over 2nd invented the jutsu which was later used by orochimaru
i agree with your point about young hiruzen

 

[~Zonta~]

- If madara who knew how to break edo tensei control would not it have been easier for the two (1st and 2nd) to break it since orochimaru could did not master and control the justsu yet??
1st and 2nd werel being controlled all times by Oro

- So if Hiruzen fought two hokage then could he have been a match for Edo madara if he had been revived ???
No Edo Madara is on a whole new tier than regular Madara, maybe if it was regular Madara, Hiruzen could stand a chance

- If edo tensei was so powerful what would happened if Hashirama and Madara both have been revived at the same time in the war??
This is contradictory as Madara had hashis full power in his edo state. If Madara did not have hashis full power and if both were to be revived they prob would still be on equal terms.

- Would Edo Hashirama defeat edo madara with rinnegan ??? (Since madara already outdid Edo Tensei control)
Again Madara has full power of his own AND hashis, while hashi just has his own power, so no Edo hashi would not stand a chance unless hashi has other powers than his own.

- Could 1st and 2nd hokage outrun the jutsu as Madara did ??? What about 3rd and 4th??
They probably could, but they would never ever do such a thing, it would not be a Hokage thing to do, only Uchiha

1st and 2nd were initially were not in control totally but once he placed a tag they were under orochimaru's control.....
also we have not seen about hashirama so we don't know about his strength and jutsu.... After madara was defeated he went in hiding and used his DNA to gain rinnegan this show how much powerful hashirama was to send madara a powerful ninja into hiding who does not like weaklings at all and who surfaced after both 1st and 2nd hokage died......... which mean 1st and 2nd were truly in their own league atleast hashirama was on whole other level.......

 

[TheWillofFire]

1st and 2nd were initially were not in control totally but once he placed a tag they were under orochimaru's control.....
also we have not seen about hashirama so we don't know about his strength and jutsu.... After madara was defeated he went in hiding and used his DNA to gain rinnegan this show how much powerful hashirama was to send madara a powerful ninja into hiding who does not like weaklings at all and who surfaced after both 1st and 2nd hokage died......... which mean 1st and 2nd were truly in their own league atleast hashirama was on whole other level.......

Its true we havent seen much of Hashi yet, but we DO know Madara and Hashi were on equal levels, thats what Im basing my answers.
Edo Madara with Hashi's power now could be considered twice as powerful than Hashi, instead of just as powerful as Hashi.

 

[~Zonta~]

Its true we havent seen much of Hashi yet, but we DO know Madara and Hashi were on equal levels, thats what Im basing my answers.
Edo Madara with Hashi's power now could be considered twice as powerful than Hashi, instead of just as powerful as Hashi.

yeah you may be right but madara did say something aboutstopping him in chapter 589 :-

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madara said "only one who stop me is Hashiram but he is not in this world anymore" these words does mean a lot coming from a really powerful and badass shinobi...

 

[TheWillofFire]

yeah you may be right but madara did say something aboutstopping him in chapter 589 :-

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madara said "only one who stop me is Hashiram but he is not in this world anymore" these words does mean a lot coming from a really powerful and badass shinobi...

Yea good point, but its because Madara will always view Hashi as his equal