Edo Tensei technique is fail attempt to copy/recreate Rinne Tensei [read first]

Do you agree that Edo Tensei is Imperfect Copy of Rinne Tensei technique ?

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Hello guys I would like to talk about Edo Tensei... it's origin as technique, purpouse, general concept and principles and original purpouse changed into new purpouse and also simmiliarties with Rinne Tensei technique.Let's begin:

The creator of Edo Tensei is Tobirama himself:

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The idea is born, Purpouse of creating Edo Tensei :​
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^^ Itama, Brother of Hashirama and Tobirama got killed.

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^^ Izuna, only one left brother of Madara got killed

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^^ Tobirama seemed to plan something in secret.

Origin of Edo Tensei technique :​
The Origin of Edo Tensei technique... lays in Rinne Tensei as proven here:

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^^ Hashirama knows about Rinne tensei and consider it as Forbidden technique... I guess that Tobirama told Hashirama about it or they both share their vast knowledge.

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^^ Tobirama even mention that this time they were brought back to this world via Edo Tensei technique with almost full power. It could mean that this technique was improved a lot but could never bring them at full power as Rinne Tensei could do.

General concept and Principles of Edo Tensei + similliarties between Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei :​
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^^It calls soul of a departed human back from the afterlife "Pure world" to this plane "Impure World". It requires specific amount of the physical body of the person user wishes to revive.

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^^specific amount of the physical body is known as DNA. Also Edo Tensei has some restrictions as it can not bring people who not reside in Pure World... also they can not be sealed or being somewhere else.

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^^ Living human becomes vessel for soul of the dead one... in other words Living Human sacrifice his life force for revived soul to get moving corpse...

Now about Rinne Tensei:

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^^ Souls of dead people are brought back to their original bodies/physical corpses. It even resotore your amount of chakra to full and also heal your wounds and regenerate physical body.

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^^But the cost is great... User sacrifice specific amount of his life force combined with specific amount of chakra to use that technique. It is probably dependant of amount of people you try to ressurect and also amount of time passince since death of one or more people.

Minato even further prove me right in the lastest chapter:
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^^ It must be technique which does something in exchange for one's life...

Similliarites :
- need of specific amount of chakra and sacrificing life force(RT- user's, ET- living human body as sacrifice)
- bring back souls of dead people

Differences :

- ET cover living human's body in ashes for revived soul and then body takes shape depending on soul while RT use physical corpse or rebuild physical body in which soul is placed.
- Rinne Tensei uses life force of user while Edo Tensei uses life force of living human body.
- Edo Tensei infinietly regenerates amount of chakra and any damage after some time while Rinne Tensei only revive you in real body and then not affect you anymore.
- Edo Tensei requires DNA of person you want to revive while Rinne Tensei does not require anything besides chakra and life force.

Original purpouse changed into new purpouse :​
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^^ While originally Edo Tensei was intended to revive dead peoples... sadly it turned into great technique to be used for war purpouse to:

- wipe the map clean, along with it's caster
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- to replace weak living shinobi with army of strong dead shinobi brought back to life to win the war or battle:

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What are reasons behind Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei being labeled as Kinjutsu ?

- Edo Tensei requires living human body's sacrifice
- Rinne Tensei requires life force

Another reason supporting connection between Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei techniques :
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^^ Rinne Tensei technique can affect and use moving dead corpse created by Edo Tensei technique from ashes covering living sacrifice body.

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^^ Even before Edo Tensei get canceled Madara already was able to bound his soul to his Edo Tensei body being unaffected by Edo Tensei technique being released, maybe due to Rinnegan's power.

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^^ After breaking contract of Edo Tensei with caster(in this case Kabuto), while preserving edo tensei's technique abilities itself.

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^^ Madara's Edo Tensei body is shown without cracks on his face, could it be possible that for brief moment Edo Tensei's body can turns into real living body... but then turns back into Edo Tensei body...as Madara who arrived to Obito.

Advantages and Disadvantages of Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei :
Advantages of Rinne tensei :
  • Bring dead person back to life in real body
  • ability to sense and expierience
  • possibility of passing limits and improving/getting stronger.
  • being revived at full power with full amount of chakra
  • healthy and regenerated body
  • Can become Jinchurki

Disadvantages of Rinne tensei :
  • Limited amount of chakra and stamina
  • Destructible body and can be damaged
  • being affected by Agging process

Advantages of Edo tensei :
  • Bring dead person back to life again
  • infinitely recharging amount of chakra and constant regeneration
  • Indestructible body and can not be damaged pernamently
  • Not affected by Agging process
  • Only can be stopped by sealing

Disadvantages of Edo tensei :
  • not being revived at full power
  • not being able to pass your limits
  • not being able to sense or expierience
  • can not become Jinchurki

Last interesting fact is that both techniques contain word: "Tensei" in their name... which mean godly. Considence ?

I doubt it :cool:



Summary :
  • Edo Tensei technique is Tobirama fail attmept to copy/recreate Rinne Tensei technique and make is usable without need of Rinnegan
  • Edo Tensei technique will never bring dead people back at full power but close to it. The reason is because full power requires living body which only Rinne tensei can affect.
  • Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei techniques were both labeled as Kinjutsu due to requiring not just chakra but life force as well.
  • Edo Tensei requires life force of living human to be sacrificed while Rinne Tensei needs life force of user to be sacrificed
  • Originaly Edo Tensei was created to revive dead people(Tobirama's brother: Itama and Madara's brother: Izuna) but after requiring living human sacrifice Tobirama labeled this technique as Kinjutsu and hide it deep into one of scroll... soon it changed it's purpouse to being used in war or battle to destroy battlefield along with caster or creates army of dead strong peoples to be used instead of weak living people who can not bring anything to the war.
  • Only Rinne tensei can bring dead person back to it's full power.
  • Rinne Tensei can affect Edo Tensei technique overwriting Edo Tensei's features to bring moving corpse back to life by turning moving corpse into real body once again

Thanks for reading !

Please share your thougths ;)
 
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Thank God, someone invented summary.
 

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Nope its actully beyond Rinne Tensei

Rinne Tensei = Caster's Death, needs Rinnegan and the revived person has a mind of their own.

Edo Tensei = Caster is the Boss, no need of Rinnegan can decide to what level the revived person is brought back and if has their own personality or mere pawn U_U

The way I see it Edo Tensei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rinne Tensei

Madara's been wanking the Rinne Tensei because he can't become a Jin in edo state that's all U_U
 

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The only thing in this is completely denying the manga is the fact you said Edo Tesnie doesn't bring you at full power which is bullsh1t and lying the manga.

Madara was brought stronger than his prime which debunks this crap about not being at full power, sense experience and not passing through limits.

What you did is use form of ET of the edo hokages and completely ignored Madara's version which makes this theory any less, manga denials.
 

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You can still sense as an Edo.
Madara, Tobirama, and the Mist sensor could all sense.
 

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am confused
 

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The only thing in this is completely denying the manga is the fact you said Edo Tesnie doesn't bring you at full power which is bullsh1t and lying the manga.

Madara was brought stronger than his prime which debunks this crap about not being at full power, sense experience and not passing through limits.

What you did is use form of ET of the edo hokages and completely ignored Madara's version which makes this theory any less, manga denials.

You don't get my point even a bit.

In short: Whatever Edo Tensei does, The Rinne Tensei does better.

example: EMS Madara alive version > Edo Tensei EMS Madara

Of course Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara(manga version) > EMS Madara alive version

However, same logic applies here: Revived Rinnegan Madara > Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara

The logic only applies if we talk about Same version of Madara not comparing Madara in two differents forms...

It could go like that: Rinnegan Madara alive(Same body as Edo with all perks but alive) > Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara > EMS Madara alive > Edo Tensei EMS Madara alive

and this what I wrote is supported by manga ;), so please read this my post for to make my opnion clear and easy to understand

You can still sense as an Edo.
Madara, Tobirama, and the Mist sensor could all sense.

Truth but by sense I tried to reffer to sense which can expierience living human...

Edo Tensei body does not feel pain or exhaustion... or other feelings...

I know they can still sense chakra but they are lacking basic senses of alive person... that what I tried to express.

Pretty good one.

Thanks man ;), someone finally appreaciated my work ;)

am confused

Don't worry my friend reread it for few times... but if it doesn't help enough

then I can explain it to you in simpler words
 
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IDK how it can be a failed attempt when tobirama never encountered rinnengan in his time or probably any knowledge of its various techniques (rinne tensei) at least as far as i know.

Plus i think edo tensei is better for few reasons but someone already posted.
 

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You don't get my point even a bit.

In short: Whatever Edo Tensei does, The Rinne Tensei does better.

example: EMS Madara alive version > Edo Tensei EMS Madara

Of course Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara(manga version) > EMS Madara alive version

However, same logic applies here: Revived Rinnegan Madara > Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara

The logic only applies if we talk about Same version of Madara not comparing Madara in two differents forms...

It could go like that: Rinnegan Madara alive(Same body as Edo with all perks but alive) > Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara > EMS Madara alive > Edo Tensei EMS Madara alive

and this what I wrote is supported by manga ;), so please read this my post for to make my opnion clear and easy to understand

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Where did it state that Edo Tensie of Madara's version is inferior to Rinne Tensie Madara. Don't use that quote of Madara's because its been proven mistranslated by the VIZ.

So everything is not supported by manga and you're not using correctly.
 

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edo is better

less drawbacks

if anything its an improvment on rinne.
 

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Where did it state that Edo Tensie of Madara's version is inferior to Rinne Tensie Madara. Don't use that quote of Madara's because its been proven mistranslated by the VIZ.

So everything is not supported by manga and you're not using correctly.

Let's then wait for new chapter and see... it probably containt explanation or refference about Revived body being compared to Edo Tensei's body

Soon we will know who is right and who is wrong ;)
 

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Last interesting fact is that both techniques contain word: "Tensei" in their name... which mean godly. Considence ?

I doubt it :cool:

Wow, such doubt. Very logic. Many clever. Wow.

I guess that means Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei are also imperfect copies of Rinne Tensei.
 

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Wow, such doubt. Very logic. Many clever. Wow.

I guess that means Chibaku Tensei and Shinra Tensei are also imperfect copies of Rinne Tensei.

Nope "Tensei " word used in names of techniques connect them to Rinnegan... that at least way I see it.

So simple Edo Tensei was try to mimic Rinnegan technique: Rinne Tensei but without need of the Rinnegan.

Shinra, Tensei, Chibaku Tensei, Rinne Tensei, all of these technique are used with Rinnegan... so "Tensei" word in the name of technique can be hint from kishi but believe in what you want.

You don't need to be sarcastic, I hope it make my point clear .
 

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No no.. not really
 

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Edo Tensei is much better than Rinne Tensei
 

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ok, Edo Tensei bodies can't die, they also have unlimited chakra something that rinne tensei doesn't give you. How is it inferior?.. smfh
 
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