EDO TENSEI from part1 to part 2, is ..... a bit of a mess !!

[JIRAIYA perv]

Don't know if anyone made this before, maybe i messed it ........ so many questions.

Alright it goes like this, i made a thread before about the hiruzen vs oro fight in part one and asked this :

Why did Hiruzen try to stop the fourth's coffin, if he was already in the shinigami's stomach ?? why did Oro even attempt to summon the fourth if he died from demon seal jutsu ?? i mean you can't tell me that BOTH of them didn't know these restrictions. Plus Oro seemed to know all about it in part 2.

Kept wondering about it until this happened in part 2, Hashirama seemed immune to edo tensei's control ....... yet Oro did it in part 1 (after he released the fourth from the shinigami's stomach, ya the guy he tried to summon back then).

Am i missing something ?? lol coz it seems to me that there are TWO Orochimaru's (with different knowledge) .

How did this happen ?? and am i supposed to forget everything that happened in part 1 ??

I hope someone can explain this :eww:, all idea's are welcome *_*

 

[HiddenSound]

Orochimaru didn't even know Dead Demon Seal existed until that fight, so he didn't know Minato was already sealed.
He knew all about it in Part 2 because his arms were sealed and he was finding a way to release it.

And Part 1 Edo Hokages were weakened. That's how Orochimaru controlled them so easily.

 

[Shichi]

Well Oro did die.....

As for him trying to summon the fourth on the first try. Maybe he didn't know and learned about it over the time skip *shrug*

 

[Misconception]

Orochimaru didn't even know Dead Demon Seal existed until that fight, so he didn't know Minato was already sealed.
He knew all about it in Part 2 because his arms were sealed and he was finding a way to release it.

And Part 1 Edo Hokages were weakened. That's how Orochimaru controlled them so easily.

Couldn't have said it better myself...

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Simple answer would be plot No Jutsu...

Kishi does not always give the explanations/answers to things he brought up in part 1.
Honestly i cant answer and pose the same question. Also, it was necer explained exactly why the Hyuugas were always considered one of the noble clan or what their origin was, as with the Uzumakis.

I feel there are some things Kishi will reveal to us later on... but there are others which he will probably not explain.

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

Orochimaru didn't even know Dead Demon Seal existed until that fight, so he didn't know Minato was already sealed.
He knew all about it in Part 2 because his arms were sealed and he was finding a way to release it.

And Part 1 Edo Hokages were weakened. That's how Orochimaru controlled them so easily.

thought about it (a weakened edo versions in part 1) so you might be right on oro's part *_* (and you are a 100 % right on oro's knowledge of the demon seal). but the problem is HIRUZEN (a user of the jutsu) should have known. i wish i remembered the chapter (would have shown you the scan) but it looked like hiruzen somehow actually stopped the coffin.

also what makes the current versions better than the previous ones (the previous ones had the same raw power without their conscience), and no one not even ORO implied that these versions are better. so how can oro control the first hokage in part 1 and fail in part ??

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Orochimaru didn't even know Dead Demon Seal existed until that fight, so he didn't know Minato was already sealed.
He knew all about it in Part 2 because his arms were sealed and he was finding a way to release it.

And Part 1 Edo Hokages were weakened. That's how Orochimaru controlled them so easily.

Just read this. Very well said! Plus rep for you dude

 

[Draphsin]

Couldn't have said it better myself...

I 2nd this

 

[3 Days Grace]

Orochimaru didn't even know Dead Demon Seal existed until that fight, so he didn't know Minato was already sealed.
He knew all about it in Part 2 because his arms were sealed and he was finding a way to release it.

And Part 1 Edo Hokages were weakened. That's how Orochimaru controlled them so easily.

this ^^kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

 

[HiddenSound]

thought about it (a weakened edo versions in part 1) so you might be right on oro's part *_* (and you are a 100 % right on oro's knowledge of the demon seal). but the problem is HIRUZEN (a user of the jutsu) should have known. i wish i remembered the chapter (would have shown you the scan) but it looked like hiruzen somehow actually stopped the coffin.

also what makes the current versions better than the previous ones (the previous ones had the same raw power without their conscience), and no one not even ORO implied that these versions are better. so how can oro control the first hokage in part 1 and fail in part ??

I guess it could simply be an RDS retcon? I'm not too sure on Hiruzen's part, but it really doesn't seem that Hiruzen was the one to stop the 3rd coffin.

 

[swaminaruto]

There's a theory that Oro tried to summon edo Madara in part 1 coz no one actually says that its the fourth(they just say "that guy...")...Also, if your consiousness is removed immediately, Hashi wouldn't have had time to overcome the edo tensei

 

[Sot viing hun]

also what makes the current versions better than the previous ones (the previous ones had the same raw power without their conscience), and no one not even ORO implied that these versions are better. so how can oro control the first hokage in part 1 and fail in part ??

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Oro is only able of binding him thanks to Hashirama's DNA.

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[JIRAIYA perv]

I guess it could simply be an RDS retcon? I'm not too sure on Hiruzen's part, but it really doesn't seem that Hiruzen was the one to stop the 3rd coffin.

am sure bro, and thanks for reminding me of how oro didn't know about RDS in part1.

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Oro is only able of binding him thanks to Hashirama's DNA.

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oh that looks legit, thank you *_* i was only looking for explanations.

 

[Kuriboh]

thought about it (a weakened edo versions in part 1) so you might be right on oro's part *_* (and you are a 100 % right on oro's knowledge of the demon seal). but the problem is HIRUZEN (a user of the jutsu) should have known. i wish i remembered the chapter (would have shown you the scan) but it looked like hiruzen somehow actually stopped the coffin.

also what makes the current versions better than the previous ones (the previous ones had the same raw power without their conscience), and no one not even ORO implied that these versions are better. so how can oro control the first hokage in part 1 and fail in part ??

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It explains in these two pages why the kages are stronger now than they were in part 1. In part 1 oro's edo tensei was not as good so he could not bring out the full power of the kages and that is why the third wasnt just killed immediately by the two. since the kages did not have their full power that would mean they could be controlled easier.

Currently in part 2 oro's edo tensei is nearly perfect which allows him to pull out the full power of his whom he summons. now since two of the most powerful characters in the series are at full power it would be very difficult to control them

 

[Kuriboh]

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Oro is only able of binding him thanks to Hashirama's DNA.

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i posted basically the same thing cuz i didnt see your post come up yet, my bad haha

 

[Sage83]

Orochimaru didn't even know Dead Demon Seal existed until that fight, so he didn't know Minato was already sealed.
He knew all about it in Part 2 because his arms were sealed and he was finding a way to release it.

And Part 1 Edo Hokages were weakened. That's how Orochimaru controlled them so easily.

very well put. orochimaru said to the fourth that he was amazed that he could figure that out and oro told him after his arms was sealed he studied the now extient uzamki clan jutsu. so that being said he wouldnt known it in part one.

but at the same time im amazed that he didnt know how the 4th died or what was the reasons, hows and etc. so that is my question: why didnt he know? plus like the pervy guy said why did the 3rd try to stop him, when he knew that it wouldnt work. was that info that he didnt want to share with him? and just played an act.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I would advise reading the manga all the way through everything is easily explained

orochimaru knew nothing about rds until it was used against him and hiruzen learned the rds from minato who as you can see is dead so there isnt anyone alive to possibly explain what might happen if there was an attempt to bring them back to life


tobirama stopped using edo tensei,its a kinjustu (forbdden justu for a reason ) meaning you don't go spilling its secrets just because


anyway stop assuming stuff without even knowing whats going on in the manga it makes you look stupid

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

very well put. orochimaru said to the fourth that he was amazed that he could figure that out and oro told him after his arms was sealed he studied the now extient uzamki clan jutsu. so that being said he wouldnt known it in part one.

but at the same time im amazed that he didnt know how the 4th died or what was the reasons, hows and etc. so that is my question: why didnt he know? plus like the pervy guy said why did the 3rd try to stop him, when he knew that it wouldnt work. was that info that he didnt want to share with him? and just played an act.

Why would oro know the exact reasons ? nobody was around when he died except for hiruzen and this is after he left the village
hiruzen didn't go around telling people naruto was his son so i am pretty sure he didn't call oro late one night to give him the rundown

something tells me you didn't even read this thread if he knew anything that your surprised about there would be no need for this guys thread

 

[cptenn94]

thought about it (a weakened edo versions in part 1) so you might be right on oro's part *_* (and you are a 100 % right on oro's knowledge of the demon seal). but the problem is HIRUZEN (a user of the jutsu) should have known. i wish i remembered the chapter (would have shown you the scan) but it looked like hiruzen somehow actually stopped the coffin.

also what makes the current versions better than the previous ones (the previous ones had the same raw power without their conscience), and no one not even ORO implied that these versions are better. so how can oro control the first hokage in part 1 and fail in part ??

im pretty sure it works like this. Hiruzen, did not know about all the requirements for edo tensei(as it was a forbidden technique) He did not know that edo tensei could not pull minatos soul out of the reapers stomach. Oro had no idea about the death god seal until after the fight.

So both ninjas, did not know about how the jutsus would interact with each other till after they were both used.


Orochimaru realized the 4th didnt come because he was sealed, and then figured that to summon him(and get his arms back) he would have to undo the reaper seal.

Hiruzen probably realized why minato didnt come back later in the fight.

And as said by others, the hokages were not full strength in the fight, so they were able to be controlled by oro.

 

[Tartarus]

thought about it (a weakened edo versions in part 1) so you might be right on oro's part *_* (and you are a 100 % right on oro's knowledge of the demon seal). but the problem is HIRUZEN (a user of the jutsu) should have known. i wish i remembered the chapter (would have shown you the scan) but it looked like hiruzen somehow actually stopped the coffin.

also what makes the current versions better than the previous ones (the previous ones had the same raw power without their conscience), and no one not even ORO implied that these versions are better. so how can oro control the first hokage in part 1 and fail in part ??

Hiruzen had no of knowing what was gonna be in the third coffin, so why would he just let it be summoned