Edo Tensai CANT be used 1V1 (100% Proof)

[Carlhens]

Kabuti is a ****ing loser i really don what is the big deal with his fanboys °c

 

[thegame]

So this is basically the same as saying that Minato cannot use flying thunder god, since he kunais need preparation as well.

 

[FizzyDrink]

How are the bombs any different than any other one time use jutsu, such as RDS, or (what used to be) choji's butterfly transformation, or Danzo's tetragram seal, or Izanagi/izanami, or Deidara's C0? Some require prep time, some do not. All of them are used once and so can only be used "if they know when and where they have to use them." I'm not arguing against what you say because it makes sense i'm just wondering. I'm a firm believer in the "edo tensei does not count as the user's power" argument. Haha

The difference is pretty obvious. Those moves you listed can be used at any random time in any random battle. However, Konan can only use her billions of bombs if she knows exactly when and where the battle is going to occur beforehand, so she can prepare the bombs. However, if she doesn't know she is going to fight, if a fight is entirely random, she can't use it. Edo tensei can be used at any time once it is prepared. You could relate it to Tsunade's diamond. She clearly prepares that ahead of time, and can use it if she ever has to. But she didn't always have it. An even better example is Sasori's human puppets, which he has an entire process to go through before he can use them, like edo tensei, and he can use them whenever he wants to afterwards.

Finally, I don't understand your definition of a ninja's "power". I count their power as anything they can use to win a random battle. You can't say that in a random battle, Kabuto wouldn't use edo tensei just because its not his power. He WOULD use it. And thus, edo tensei is a part of his power, because he is fully capable of using it and WILL use it when he can.

Of course, I'm talking about Kabuto in his prime.

 

[HiddenSound]

smh

 

[~Sovereign~]

what are you talking about? The preperation is already done...he has bodies for the edos... he only needs to clap his hands to summon who he wants...like oro did....

You don't see anyone arguing in Versus thread, that Minato had no prep time to get kunais, so he can't use his kunai based ftg.. that's stupid now isn't it?

the preparations are only done in the manga, in this fight kabuto doesnt have prep time....here is an example of NO prep time....kabuto is walking down the street and some random guy challenges him to a fight right then and there

kabuto would have to do the ritual over, BUT THERE ARE NO SACRIFICES

why does minato keep being brought up????

that no what prep time is....minato just simply gets dressed and throws his kunai into the bag....minato makes ftg marking with his own hands anyway

the point of this isnt that people need prep time

the point of the thread is to point out that if kabuto starts any fight without the ritual done...he wont be able to use edo tensai because THERE ARE NO SACRIFICES.....minato, sasori, any tools, anyone else you can think of, NONE of them need a sacrifice to use their abilitiies

the manga give kabuto prep time thats why kabuto can use edo tensai whenever in the manga

Owarij, I promise he will come with some IDIOTIC explanation for why sacrifices aren't/are prep(?). No point. He literally is the only person who understands what he's saying.

FAIL

you still didnt prove me wrong, after i gave you the real OP

I think I know where all the confusion is. SakuXNaru is telling us that in his hypothetical situation, Kabuto doesn't have any Edo sacrifices already "stored up". So basically, Kabuto is fighting without already having the sacrifices done. Everyone else is assuming that Kabuto already has Edo's in storage, even though SakuXNaruo is restricting this specifically.

Now we all know that in a real fight, Kabuto would have the sacrifices already done. Of course it could be argued that most of his Edo were sealed during the war, and the ones that weren't sealed were dispelled by the cancellation of Edo Tensei; so he would have to prepare the sacrifices all over again. That would make sense in theory.

Back to SakuXNaru's hypothetical situation. If Kabuto doesn't have Edo's already in storage, then yes, he would have to redo the rituals; and if he has to redo the rituals during battle, then Edo Tensei is useless to him. What SakuXNaru is saying is true when you consider the circumstances he/she has given.
On another note, I think Kabuto is fodder. None of his techniques are truly his, and unless he prepares it beforehand, Edo Tensei is useless to him. DSM is actually the only thing Kabuto earned through training (not stealing) and I think he needs Orochimaru's stolen chakra to even activate DSM. It can be argued that he doesn't need Oro's chakra, but answer this question if that is the case: When Orochimaru was revived, he took his chakra back from Kabuto. Why was Kabuto's DSM dispersed when Orochimaru did so?

The answer could be one of two possibilities. Kabuto literally needs Orochimaru's chakra to activate DSM.
Or, Kabuto can activate DSM on his own, but his chakra alone isn't strong enough or large enough; in which case he still needs Orochimaru's chakra to activate DSM.
Kabuto is fodder imo.

@ first bold: 100% EXACTLY what im talking about BUT i didnt restict kabuto, i just said he fights without prep time, meaning he doesnt have time to find a sacrifice before the fight, IF HE CAN FIND A SACRIFICE DURING THE FIGHT (which there are no sacrifice, only kabuto and his opponent are on the field) ILL 100% ACCEPT HIM USING EDO TENSAI THEN

@ second bold: THATS WHY I SAID HE CANT USE IT IN AN"1v1", if kabuto has a partner he'll just sacrifice his partner

idk how minato, and sasori got into the thread, that a completely different topic......im not going to go to deep into this but the difference of edo tensai is YOU NEED TO SACRIFICE SOMEONE TO BRING THE EDOs TO THE FIELD....minato, sasori, konan, and any ninja tool....NONE OF THIS REQUIRES A SACRIFICE

i even proved it with konan....she had 600 billion paper bombs set up BECAUSE OF PREP TIME....she cant summon it the field AND she cant set up hile fighting her opponent...THAT WHY PEOPLE ODNT GIVE HER THIS TECH IN A 1V1 BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT REQUIRES PREP TIME.....THE SAME RULES APPLY TO KABUTO....HE CANT DO THE RITUAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT (EVEN IF HE HAPPENED TO FIN A SACRIFICE) WHICH MAKES EDO TENSAI USELESS...BUT ONLY IS A 1V1

@ SakuXNaru

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I think Naruto is to complected of a series for you, watch something more your grade level like mickey's playhouse.

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OT:Orochimaru nor Kabuto go into battle unprepared and seeing as how edo tensei is Orochimaru and Kabuto's signature jutsu to use you honestly think someone they would go into battle unprepared??
NO SO STOP BEING SUCH A BAKA!!

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oro/kabuto's fighting style has nothing to do this thread

kabuto cant use edo tensai with do the ritual BUT the ritual is impossible to do in a 1v1 BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO SACRIFICE

I have explained this countless times. At one point in Kabuto's life, he was capable of using every single Edo wherever and whenever he wanted to. This means edo tensei is fair game, because at his peak of ability, he could use them. The preparation only happened once, and if you eliminate his preparation for edo tensei, you should also eliminate the preparation that other ninja do to, such as Tsunade's reserve of chakra (she prepares that you know) or Sasori's human puppets.

close but NO

the difference between edo tensai and the mark on tsunade's head is that TSUNADE DOESNT NEED A SACRIFICE TO USE THE MARK ON HER FOREHEAD

The same people who are disagreeing with this thread would put konan in a thread without her 600billion paper bombs because it requires prep time. It's the same concept people. With prep Kabuto is #1 and Konan is #4. You have a choice to make. Is having Kabuto at #1 worth having Konan at #4 on your lists?

exactly, they understand konan using prep time but not kabuto....BIASED PEOPLE

The thing here is Kabuto only needs to do the ritual once it is not a process that needs to be repeated like Konnan's paper bombs that is institutional and only works in a certain inviorment.

edo tensei on the other hand is Kabuto's signature jutsu something he allways has on hand just in case he gets into a tough situation he has always been a cautious character.

YES BUT I MADE THIS THREAD BASED ON KABUTO NOT HAVING PREP TIME, im not going by the manga because KABUTO HAD PREP TIME IN THE MANGA

im basically giving kabuto all his tech from the manga but without all the prep time he had

You are, in fact, entirely incorrect. You see, once Kabuto has his edos prepared, he can use them wherever and whenever he wants. Konan can only use her bombs if she knows where and when she has to use them. Thus, your argument is lacking and invalid. It's hard to argue against people when they're right

@ bold: thats what im talking about...kabuto doesnt have edo tensai prepared without prep time

"A living sacrifice is required for the soul of the reincarnated to use as a vessel. Once all prerequisites for the technique have been met, the acquired DNA of the person is smeared on a special scroll and once the scroll is activated, the remains spread out in the form of a special seal with the living sacrifice in the centre. Then dust and ash encase the sacrifice's body, giving them the same appearance that the reincarnated had at the time of their death. The process is apparently somewhat painful as seen when Fū was used to reincarnate Torune. The person is then reincarnated and the end product is usually stored in a casket until summoned by the user. The user can theoretically reincarnate a limitless number of people in this way, so long as they have enough sacrifices, chakra and DNA to perform the technique."

This is taken straight from Narutopedia. The bold lettering is what's important here, and it proves everything I've been saying. The user can be stored inside a special casket and summoned to be used. This is the exact same thing as using a summoning jutsu in battle, the only difference is that a powerful shinobi comes to fight instead!

So if this won't convince you, I don't know what will.

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@ bold: ony in the manga BECAUSE OF PREP TIME

So this is basically the same as saying that Minato cannot use flying thunder god, since he kunais need preparation as well.

i already explained this before, read the thread

 

[FizzyDrink]

the preparations are only done in the manga, in this fight kabuto doesnt have prep time....here is an example of NO prep time....kabuto is walking down the street and some random guy challenges him to a fight right then and there

kabuto would have to do the ritual over, BUT THERE ARE NO SACRIFICES

why does minato keep being brought up????

that no what prep time is....minato just simply gets dressed and throws his kunai into the bag....minato makes ftg marking with his own hands anyway

the point of this isnt that people need prep time

the point of the thread is to point out that if kabuto starts any fight without the ritual done...he wont be able to use edo tensai because THERE ARE NO SACRIFICES.....minato, sasori, any tools, anyone else you can think of, NONE of them need a sacrifice to use their abilitiies

the manga give kabuto prep time thats why kabuto can use edo tensai whenever in the manga



FAIL

you still didnt prove me wrong, after i gave you the real OP


@ first bold: 100% EXACTLY what im talking about BUT i didnt restict kabuto, i just said he fights without prep time, meaning he doesnt have time to find a sacrifice before the fight, IF HE CAN FIND A SACRIFICE DURING THE FIGHT (which there are no sacrifice, only kabuto and his opponent are on the field) ILL 100% ACCEPT HIM USING EDO TENSAI THEN

@ second bold: THATS WHY I SAID HE CANT USE IT IN AN"1v1", if kabuto has a partner he'll just sacrifice his partner

idk how minato, and sasori got into the thread, that a completely different topic......im not going to go to deep into this but the difference of edo tensai is YOU NEED TO SACRIFICE SOMEONE TO BRING THE EDOs TO THE FIELD....minato, sasori, konan, and any ninja tool....NONE OF THIS REQUIRES A SACRIFICE

i even proved it with konan....she had 600 billion paper bombs set up BECAUSE OF PREP TIME....she cant summon it the field AND she cant set up hile fighting her opponent...THAT WHY PEOPLE ODNT GIVE HER THIS TECH IN A 1V1 BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT REQUIRES PREP TIME.....THE SAME RULES APPLY TO KABUTO....HE CANT DO THE RITUAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIGHT (EVEN IF HE HAPPENED TO FIN A SACRIFICE) WHICH MAKES EDO TENSAI USELESS...BUT ONLY IS A 1V1



oro/kabuto's fighting style has nothing to do this thread

kabuto cant use edo tensai with do the ritual BUT the ritual is impossible to do in a 1v1 BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TO SACRIFICE



close but NO

the difference between edo tensai and the mark on tsunade's head is that TSUNADE DOESNT NEED A SACRIFICE TO USE THE MARK ON HER FOREHEAD



exactly, they understand konan using prep time but not kabuto....BIASED PEOPLE



YES BUT I MADE THIS THREAD BASED ON KABUTO NOT HAVING PREP TIME, im not going by the manga because KABUTO HAD PREP TIME IN THE MANGA

im basically giving kabuto all his tech from the manga but without all the prep time he had



@ bold: thats what im talking about...kabuto doesnt have edo tensai prepared without prep time



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@ bold: ony in the manga BECAUSE OF PREP TIME



i already explained this before, read the thread

Does it matter whether Tsunade needs a human sacrifice? The basic idea is that she needs time to prepare her forehead thing. Just as Kabuto's prepares his edos. Another similar reference is Sasori's human puppets, which involve a dead body, a ton of preparation time, and are irreplaceable like an edo.

Basically, when creating a hypothetical 1v1, unless stated otherwise, we're taking the two sides at the peak of their power. The peak of their power is when they have the greatest chance to win against any certain opponent. The time when Kabuto was most capable of beating anyone was when he could summon all of those edos, since he had already prepared them. This is the same as taking Sasori WITH his human puppets, rather than without. It counts.

Furthermore, preparation is something that all ninjas do. If a ninja is prepared to fight, whenever and wherever he/she needs to, they should be allowed those preparations. On a very simple scale, you could have a ninja who prepared by brining a Kunai, and another who didn't. The one who brought the Kunai should be allowed to use it, because he was prepared for a fight. Kabuto has his edos prepared, and should be allowed to because he made sure he had that advantage over other ninja.

 

[killer1]

lol we saw orichimaru do edo tense in 1v1