EDO SM Hashirama vs BSM Naruto & EMS Sasuke

[Unorthodox]

duo wins

I thought u would say Sasuke solo's :|

Shutup replying to me with nonsense.

-Unrestrict SS and it manhandles them.

1. If Mokujin enters CQC with them, it's over since they won't have time to charge any BD strong enough to take it out. They get raped in CQC alone since Mokujin dwarfs them both and is far more powerful than them physically.

Please tell me why would CQC ever even come up? Mokujin being far more powerful is a joke, Bijuu dama barrage does not need kill it just **** it up. LOL at Mokujin being physically stronger than a man with ps boosted by a BSM avatar then add the fusion to it Lol in the fact they can make every single tail and hand/arm to block or keep him at bay no this post needs to be tooken down.

If they do manage to break away and start charging a BD, Myojinmon comes down on their necks, stopping the charge and forcing them to drop their Avatars to escape. In that time, Hashirama can crush them with Mokujin or he can prep a flower world to knock them out.

Hobei gates are dodged Naruto had in incredible shunshin with the BM avatar let alone the BSM, Ps blade splits those gate right in half. Bijuu dama barrage does not need to be charged so even if the gates hit they're not stopping anything. Flower tree world is wrecked by PS shockwaves, Bijuu damas, Enton spikes,

Any BD that doesn't need a charge is smacked away with ease (since the far inferior BM Naruto can smack away 5 BD with his tails no less). The Bijuu sized one is caught and tossed right back at them, and Flash never happens.

Only smacked away if fired directly at Mokujin which is not needed. Also that's a great feat Naruto do not try to downplay it by saying BM Naruto smacked 5 away. Then add the fact Kurama's or BSM Kurama base bijuu dama > the latters your point has no merit. Blast Bijuu dama is not being smacked away either. Why does flash BD never happens it seems pretty quick to me

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That takes seconds it definitely gets off in time.

Sasuke offers nothing but defense here. His offense is pathetic and not worth mentioning, and Naruto's offense is either too weak to phase Mokujin or too strong to be charged before Hashirama does something about it. The only way they win is if they can break away from Mokujin, and charge and fire Flash BD before Hashirama can use Myojinmon or catch up to them.

And you expect someone to take you serious when you say you do not take them serious smh! Sasuke chopped wood stronger than Mokujin and far larger than his Own susanoo before he had a full ps give him PS Then give him half of that Boost Mokujin gets its ass diced. Before Hashirama can catch up to them with what speed? Naruto and Sasuke we're chasing down Obito and forcing him to block the evasive skills are high as well the only long range they have to worry about is those gates which are dodged on foot.

Lmfao, why do I keep forgetting about Naruto's chakra sharing? Sasuke does get some offensive power, but not surpassing the level of what Madara has with his PS. So if Sasuke tires to cut Mokujin, he'd just catch the blade. Amaterasu would just increase the size of it, and since it doesn't burn fast nor can he make one that covers the majority of a PS sized entity, it doesn't help.

BRUH! Sasuke with PS getting a boost from Full Kurama is not Madara's level yet a v3 susanoo getting a boost from both halfs is put to the BSM avatar level take half of that away add Naruto's senjutsu which >>>>>>>> Jugo's and now throw in a PS for Sasuke to began with and he's still weaker than Madara's PS? lawd no and PS > Mokujin so irrelevant.

Tired of that Nonsense catch the blade logic. Sasuke is far better in kenjutsu then Madara Hashirama is not accurately catching anything add the fact that a bijuu dama would be mowing Mokujin down then lets remember he did not catch the ps blade he caught the PS arm which is definitely not happening here. Amaterasu would definitely cover the size of atleast majority of it and since its wood it would just spread over Mokujin anyways. Amaterasu and Kamui started size are comparable if Kamui can be juubi size with the right Chakra Amaterasu can very well cover the base of Mokujin with a BSM cloak add the fact they can use

Giant BSM FRS (Like what Minato did with his avatar) Which would be larger and stroner than the one they did to juubi and its screamed like bloody marry Mokujin is burnt to the ground enton spikes would just rip it apart to.

Would love to see some argumentation.

gave you some

 

[KidGamer65]

What changed?

*Edit: Just saw your post, why you always gotta catch me when I'm at my boys house playing marvel ._.

Lmfao, it's alright man.

 

[KidGamer65]

And unorthodox, there is a reason why I didn't quote you or your bestie when I asked for argumentation. I do not, will not, and cannot take you seriously, especially since your argument is riddled with nonsense that has been addressed before, such as:

. LOL at Mokujin being physically stronger than a man with ps boosted by a BSM avatar

Even though I just owned your dumbass in an argument about it, one I shouldn't have wasted time having apparently.

Stop wasting my time.

 

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Hashirama wins this, Wood Dragon fodderizes any Bijuu power uo

 

[Unorthodox]

And unorthodox, there is a reason why I didn't quote you or your bestie when I asked for argumentation. I do not, will not, and cannot take you seriously, especially since your argument is riddled with nonsense that has been addressed before, such as:



Even though I just owned your dumbass in an argument about it, one I shouldn't have wasted time having apparently.

Stop wasting my time.

You did not own shit i told you i do no debate on vms wass good now.

 

[KidGamer65]

And unorthodox, there is a reason why I didn't quote you or your bestie when I asked for argumentation. I do not, will not, and cannot take you seriously, especially since your argument is riddled with nonsense that has been addressed before, such as:

 

[Unorthodox]

Then why tha phuck are you replying?

 

[TRE MERCER]

That was back then. Which was almost a year ago.



Does this kid really think I'm going to argue with him? Boy..

If my post are so irrelevant why am i not on your ignore list you obviously want to see what i post. Now instead of crying put up an argument.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Arguments will be made when someone worth arguing with puts one up.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hashirama wins this, Wood Dragon fodderizes any Bijuu power uo

[Wood Dragon got murked by Kurama in cannon.

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[Unorthodox]

Just a question not debating with you here i know you said you changed your mind but these where some of your arguments BM Naruto vs SM Hashirama no SS

Flash Bijuu Dama wrecks Mokujin, Mokuryu, and Hashirama.

Didn't know that a slap to the face is going to magically cause the Bijuu Dama to vanish. Lol. It slaps him, then Naruto fires it right in it's face and blows it to shit along with it's owners.



The gate has to be able to come down and pin Naruto before he can fire his Flash Bijuu Dama, or his Continuous Bijuu Dama, and even if that happens, Naruto simply puts down the Avatar, recalls it and then let's Bijuu Dama loose on Hashirama.


Tell me how he'll catch a Bijuu Dama that dwarfs Bijuu and stop with the vague argumentation.



The same old shitty scenarios where Naruto does the same thing over and over again knowing it'll turn out bad for him are getting pretty old.

Kakuan Nitten Suishu isn't happening. Hashirama needs to come up close, and if he does that he gets blown away by Naruto's Bijuu Dama. The only weak argument I'm seeing is "Hashirama constantly spams gates", when Naruto can just keep on avoiding them and he can continue to put his Avatar up, or he can partially form the Avatar like he did against Obito when he fired the Bijuu Dama.

Note this was BM Naruto not BSM Naruto Also no Sasuke was present when you made these arguments the manga had already ended aswell so???

 

[KidGamer65]

Just a question not debating with you here i know you said you changed your mind but these where some of your arguments BM Naruto vs SM Hashirama no SS







Note this was BM Naruto not BSM Naruto Also no Sasuke was present when you made these arguments the manga had already ended aswell so???

The first quote comes true if what I suggested in my post is impossible.

I pretty much countered all of the second quote in my post too. And not to mention I said that Hashirama would prevent the BD from being charged up, he simply said a slap to face causes the BD to fail.

And the rest is irrelevant since Kakuan Nitten Suishu isn't viable here. The main thing that changed is that I read the DB 4 translation for Mokujin, which puts Base Mokujin on par with Full Kurama (probably physical strength) thus SM Mokujin>>>Base Mokujin>>>BM Naruto. Then there is the massive size difference, which I didn't take into account, since I'm saying CTBB obliterates Mokujin despite BM Naruto slapping away 5 of them without his full Avatar.

The only thing that I still believe is that Flash Bijuu Dama might not be able to be caught by Mokujin.


LMFAOOOO Unorthodox? Didn't even know that was you. Smh. But like I said, Hashirama's victory isn't something I'm 100% sure of and it can be very easy to argue for Naruto and Sasuke's victory due to Hashirama's lack of offensive power. Only thing I know for sure is that unrestricted Hashirama kills them with SS.

 

[Apêx1]

Depends on how large the BM cloak Naruto gave Shikamaru, etc. is. It's probably 10x boost at the very least given no cloak was a 3x boost, Kyuubi cloak was "much stronger" and BM cloak would also be much stronger. Sasuke's PS and Naruto's BM avatars got decent damage on them from 2 TBB's worth of chakra at the very epicentre of the explosion. Assuming it's a 10x boost, that means it would take 20 TBB's for the same damage infliction. Now unless somebody here believes Madara's PS would only take the damage Sasuke's PS took from 20 TBB's exploding at the very same time with his PS at the very epicentre of it all, there's nothing to debate. His PS took some damage from TBB's and all the damage from the SS (but it's a barrage, so over time instead of all at once). He was nowhere near the epicentre of the TBB's explosions, so don't tell me he's already tanked 13 or something foolish along those lines. Without SS there is no chance for Hashirama to win this.

@KG Your argument for Hashirama easily slapping away non-prepped TBB's isn't really viable I believe. Didn't Naruto lose his tails after slapping away the TBB's? They are damn durable, so I'm not sure there is something supporting Hashirama 'slapping them away' as easily as you are suggesting.

 

[KidGamer65]

Depends on how large the BM cloak Naruto gave Shikamaru, etc. is. It's probably 10x boost at the very least given no cloak was a 3x boost, Kyuubi cloak was "much stronger" and BM cloak would also be much stronger. Sasuke's PS and Naruto's BM avatars got decent damage on them from 2 TBB's worth of chakra at the very epicentre of the explosion. Assuming it's a 10x boost, that means it would take 20 TBB's for the same damage infliction. Now unless somebody here believes Madara's PS would only take the damage Sasuke's PS took from 20 TBB's exploding at the very same time with his PS at the very epicentre of it all, there's nothing to debate. His PS took some damage from TBB's and all the damage from the SS (but it's a barrage, so over time instead of all at once). He was nowhere near the epicentre of the TBB's explosions, so don't tell me he's already tanked 13 or something foolish along those lines. Without SS there is no chance for Hashirama to win this.

@KG Your argument for Hashirama easily slapping away non-prepped TBB's isn't really viable I believe. Didn't Naruto lose his tails after slapping away the TBB's? They are damn durable, so I'm not sure there is something supporting Hashirama 'slapping them away' as easily as you are suggesting.

No, he didn't. You can see them

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. And considering that Naruto's tails can block Sasuke's PS's attacks, which are Mountain Level, the force of a Bijuu Dama without an explosion doesn't have the power needed to even damage them let alone destroy them. Mokujin>>Kurama in physical power, thus it replicates the same thing but with ease.

 

[Apêx1]

No, he didn't. You can see them

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. And considering that Naruto's tails can block Sasuke's PS's attacks, which are Mountain Level, the force of a Bijuu Dama without an explosion doesn't have the power needed to even damage them let alone destroy them. Mokujin>>Kurama in physical power, thus it replicates the same thing but with ease.

They still look damaged to me though. Here's a perfect example of healthy and damaged tails from BM Naruto [

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]. They look a lot more like the damaged ones then the healthy ones, and the black markings being so far off the healthy ones also makes it a little more apparent. And how do you know Base Mokujin is stronger then Kurama?

 

[KidGamer65]

They still look damaged to me though. Here's a perfect example of healthy and damaged tails from BM Naruto [

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]. They look a lot more like the damaged ones then the healthy ones, and the black markings being so far off the healthy ones also makes it a little more apparent. And how do you know Base Mokujin is stronger then Kurama?

You can clearly see the tips of his tails. Combine that with the facts that:

1. He was using a partial transformation.
2. He was just about to call his Full Avatar.
3. They can tank Sasuke's PS slash, which is>>Bijuu Dama's force outside of the explosion.

And you come to the conclusion that they are fine. Not to mention there is nothing about those black markings that'd help your point.

Because it matches PS in physical power, and Madara's PS>>>>Sasuke's PS=Naruto's Avatar in physical power. Not to mention DB 4 states that Mokujin is on par with Full Kurama, and that is Base Mokujin since it references Valley of the End.