[VS] Edo Rinnegan Madara vs BM Naruto

[Apêx1]

I've already mentioned the bold like three times in this thread, I'm aware of that, and yeah, agreed on the rest.

Ok

Mokuton won't deflect it if he doesn't have Mokujin, as no other Mokuton techniques would grant said ability to do so, but my strategy does apply.

And yet he stated Jukai Kotan could deflect the Juubi's TBB, so I'm not sure why a regular TBB from 100% Kurama can't be deflected with low diff.

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Agreed, definitely viable here. Bold: It's good especially if the clone uses Mayfly to travel to Naruto, and as I stated use ST to slam the avatar ground level, than Mokuryu emerges and simply binds him. The clone camping on the diamond is also pretty smart, either way Madara is too versatile here.

Yep.

Indeed, the shockwaves not only can interrupt charge time, but also cause a chain reaction if Bijuudama Barrage is set off, in this case, Naruto's avatar is going to suffer heavy damage. Agreed.

True, I'm guessing you no longer think that Naruto wins?

 

[Blunt]

Ok



And yet he stated Jukai Kotan could deflect the Juubi's TBB, so I'm not sure why a regular TBB from 100% Kurama can't be deflected with low diff.

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Yep.



True, I'm guessing you no longer think that Naruto wins?

I mean I never did truly believe Naruto would win, just giving him the benefit of the doubt. It was just a matter of Madara's clones being able to use Six Path techniques, and as you stated they most likely can, and that's what my judgement was hinged upon, Naruto just isn't powerful enough to face the Original wielder of the Rinnegan in BSM form, that also has Mokuton, it's just too much.

I guess Jukai Koutan can, though that is SM Hashirama, therefore the technique is on a much higher level than Jukai Koutan used by the likes of Edo Madara.

 

[ARGUS]

I've already mentioned the bold like three times in this thread, I'm aware of that, and yeah, agreed on the rest.



Mokuton won't deflect it if he doesn't have Mokujin, as no other Mokuton techniques would grant said ability to do so, but my strategy does apply.

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, bombs that are much stronger and sturdier then Narutos TBB
Madara uses Jukai Kotan to change the bombs trajectory, the only difference is that unlike mokujin they cant be grabbed and backfired
but madara already has the firepower to overwhelm naruto without this, but on the contrary all of narutos attacks are either futile or not even landing

Agreed, definitely viable here. Bold: It's good especially if the clone uses Mayfly to travel to Naruto, and as I stated use ST to slam the avatar ground level, than Mokuryu emerges and simply binds him. The clone camping on the diamond is also pretty smart, either way Madara is too versatile here.

Mokuryu does nothing since all naruto needs is cancelling his shroud and then revert back again, especially now that he has intel on the jutsu and how he canonically countered it,

ST is good to backslam naruto, especially when it can be used the instant naruto has prepped his TBB, which then explodes in his face,

the issue with all this is that madara being able to use PS and all these techniques at the same time, since madara using PS means that he is giving it his all,

 

[Brooks]

Madara takes both Scenario.​

 

[Kagustuchi]

If you recall correctly, Madara's PS got destroyd by the combined explosion of his own TBB's and Hashirama's SS. It wasn't just the SS. And Naruto's durability=Sasuke's. Madara's>>>Both. 100% Kurama doesn't change that by much.

Nope it was just SS, as all the damage of the TBB were taken by the hands.

Hashirama, who was standing ontop of his Avatar with no type of special protection whatsoever and much closer to the explosion didn't take any damage.

Naruto and Sasuke's durability only match each other in body durability, the tails far exceed the body in that category.

 

[Apêx1]

Nope it was just SS, as all the damage of the TBB were taken by the hands.

Hashirama, who was standing ontop of his Avatar with no type of special protection whatsoever and much closer to the explosion didn't take any damage.

Naruto and Sasuke's durability only match each other in body durability, the tails far exceed the body in that category.

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, TBB's hadn't even exploded yet

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SS was inside that huge explosion. We don't know how he protected himself, but that doesn't mean he didn't.

Yet Sasuke's sword disappeared at the same time Naruto's 'super durable Tail' disappeared [

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] after merely 3 clashes. I have yet to see your arguments for Naruto beating Madara, given you said that you would present them. Seems like they're inexistent fam.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Apex: Right. Not to mention it doesn't make sense for the energy of the explosion to only be applied onto Shinsuusenju when Madara was in the center of that blast just like Hashirama.

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I mean, there is not one person on this thread who thinks that Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars didn't take the power from Indra's Arrow AND Twin RS yet when the same thing happens for SS vs. PS, somehow it's impossible. :lol

But, Naruto's tail didn't vanish, nor did Sasuke's sword vanish. The scans shown pages later and next chapter show Naruto with all his tails intact and that same scan shows Sasuke's sword in it's sheath.

But yeah, Naruto's tails are only more durable together because they are thicker than his main body. Madara's PS is more durable pound for pound as you mentioned and as feats prove, and Madara's Avatar is obviously much thicker than any part of Naruto's Avatar thus it's that much more durable.

It's the same exact chakra from the same exact source thus pound for pound it will always have the same durability.

 

[Apêx1]

@Apex: Right. Not to mention it doesn't make sense for the energy of the explosion to only be applied onto Shinsuusenju when Madara was in the center of that blast just like Hashirama.

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I mean, there is not one person on this thread who thinks that Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars didn't take the power from Indra's Arrow AND Twin RS yet when the same thing happens for SS vs. PS, somehow it's impossible. :lol

But, Naruto's tail didn't vanish, nor did Sasuke's sword vanish. The scans shown pages later and next chapter show Naruto with all his tails intact and that same scan shows Sasuke's sword in it's sheath.

But yeah, Naruto's tails are only more durable together because they are thicker than his main body. Madara's PS is more durable pound for pound as you mentioned and as feats prove, and Madara's Avatar is obviously much thicker than any part of Naruto's Avatar thus it's that much more durable.

It's the same exact chakra from the same exact source thus pound for pound it will always have the same durability.

I've looked over the pages 3 times now and the only time Naruto gains his tails back is in his Asura form, and his Asura form healed all his damage. In every other occasion you will either count 7 or 8, or less. 7 here

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, 7 here

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, etc. So please point out where you can see 9 because I can't seem to find any scan like that. Sasuke's sword also seemed to vanish. I don't see any sheath either, all I see is Sasuke's wing with the piece above it that can be mistaken for a sword.

Not sure I agree 100% about the pound for pound though. I mean it makes sense, but Kakashi could cut the Bijuu chakra arms with Raiden but failed against the Bijuu's main body with Raikiri, even though the chakra arms would be thicker overall in comparison to the main body and shouldn't even be pierced in the first place.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Madara wins both.

 

[Narutp1sasuke2 LetsGo]

Madara wins both lol
Blind madara neg all tailed beast at once. Naruto alone doesn't stand a chance

 

[Blunt]

the issue with all this is that madara being able to use PS and all these techniques at the same time, since madara using PS means that he is giving it his all,

I think it just means he's using his maximum possible release of chakra at one point to create his full power, which is PS, not that he's outputting the entirety of his chakra pool. If that was the case he wouldn't have been able to hold Kurama under Genjutsu while sustaining PS simultaneously (which canonically was stated to consume chakra) nor would he be able to maintain lesser forms of Susano'o and fight for hours on end before activating his PS. That wouldn't make sense, clones wouldn't be effected by this.

Madara wins both lol
Blind madara neg all tailed beast at once. Naruto alone doesn't stand a chance

Blind Madara got smashed, 1 Rinnegan Madara on the other hand raped them.

 

[KidGamer65]

I've looked over the pages 3 times now and the only time Naruto gains his tails back is in his Asura form, and his Asura form healed all his damage. In every other occasion you will either count 7 or 8, or less. 7 here

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, 7 here

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, etc. So please point out where you can see 9 because I can't seem to find any scan like that. Sasuke's sword also seemed to vanish. I don't see any sheath either, all I see is Sasuke's wing with the piece above it that can be mistaken for a sword.

Not sure I agree 100% about the pound for pound though. I mean it makes sense, but Kakashi could cut the Bijuu chakra arms with Raiden but failed against the Bijuu's main body with Raikiri, even though the chakra arms would be thicker overall in comparison to the main body and shouldn't even be pierced in the first place.

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No tail is shown to be destroyed in any of these panels. If one of Naruto's tails were clipped at one of the ends you'd see it. Not even sure how you are only getting seven in that scan. :lol

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And those are clearly his swords in their sheaths. Sasuke's wing has no piece that can be mistaken for a sword.\

Chakra arms=/=Main body nor do they have any relation. There's no reason to assume that they are pound for pound (or should be) as durable as the body when chakra arms aren't the limbs of the Jinchuuriki. They are chakra.

 

[ARGUS]

I think it just means he's using his maximum possible release of chakra at one point to create his full power, which is PS, not that he's outputting the entirety of his chakra pool.

If hes using the max amount of chakra that he can release, then it doesnt make sense how he can still use another chakra based technique
his knead and release capacities are obviously lower than his entire chakra pool, and if PS is his max then hes unlikely to use something else with it

If that was the case he wouldn't have been able to hold Kurama under Genjutsu while sustaining PS simultaneously (which canonically was stated to consume chakra) nor would he be able to maintain lesser forms of Susano'o and fight for hours on end before activating his PS. That wouldn't make sense, clones wouldn't be effected by this.

he casted the genjutsu on kurama before he even released PS, and genjutsu may consume chakra but its nowhere even close to the amount of chakra that techniques like mokutons and six path jutsus require

maintaining less amount of susanoo variants be it with or without clones has already been shwon to take less chakra than using PS
whats the point of using a more chakra taxing technique if its far inferior?
nor does it have any relevance to madaras knead and release capacities