Edo Nagato vs Hashirama

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Everyone, stop giving nagato excuses to have bigger and better attacks than shinsuusenju. He doesn't.

What he does have, however, is bansho tennin, a usefull little move that can be used to pull hashirama of the shinsuusenju, and to his death, 5 miles below, and with a radius of about 30 feet.

And nagato can fly, and has laser beams.

 

[genii96]

Its speculation how much bigger it would be. Edo's can't Knead/Release more chakra than what the state of their body would be able to if they wern't Edo, meaning Nagato never runs out of Chakra but he can still only put as much chakra into a Jutsu as he could if he wasn't an Edo.

And I doubt that a Healthy Nagato's Chibaku Tensei is even twice as big as Deva's. Much less enough to capture Shinsuusenju. This is irrelavant though, since he doesn't need Chibaku Tensei to take down Shinsuusenju.

yea,but what if an alive nagato released all the chakra from his body to make a CT,it would be very large,as an edo,his chakra is undying,so he can do it with no side effects cant he?. Anywhere,it's true that Ct isnt neded to take down that thing

 

[Zato]

hashirama isnt destroying CYt with wood,and preta has no problem absprbing moukton,it absorbs all chakra based ninjutsus,moukton is among that. Who told you it cant cantabsorb living objects,preta was absorbing sm narutols chakra wasnt it?. Moukton is food for preta. Wood wont save hashi from CT at all. Gedo mazo destroys hashi alongside nagato

Hashirama can create a forest with his Mokuton and Madara was able to easily tear through Oonoki's stone golem AND on top of that Hashirama was able to use his Mokuton to tank a 9tailed TBB at point blank range. This is why CT is useless vs Hashirama. I mean his Mokuton can tear through solid stone and CT is nothing but the collection of w/e it rips from the ground. If what you state is true then why didn't Naruto die when he was sucked into the CT? Oh that's right... he started to turn into the 9tails. Hashirama has ultra healing techniques that require no seals as Madara stated and he can created exact clones of himself that can use all his abilities. Its like the only argument always comes down to CT. Its such an overrated ability when you match it with characters of this caliber. I mean if its such a overkill of an ability then why did Deva Path use it to "capture" Naruto...

I don't understand the logic with people on this forum some times. A guy with ultra healing and Mokuton that allows him to create a forest miles long that can easily shred through solid stone can't destroy CT? So if Hashirama gets sucked into CT hes dead? Huh? Like I said, if that was the case then why did Deva Path use that ability on Naruto at all... Why did Kabuto force Nagato to use that ability on Bee and Naruto... If Hashirama gets sucked into CT then he will just use his Mokuton growth to destroy it. Madara has proven that he can create a full blown forest using Mokuton. He has also proven the destructive power of Mokuton shredding through Oonoki's stone golems.

Also, Mokuton is a LIFE FORCE. Preta Path cannot absorb living objects, it can only absorb the chakara within living objects. Just like when he was absorbing Naruto he wasn't able to absorb Naruto himself because he is a living object. Nagato will only be able to suck the chakara out of the Mokuton but he won't be able to absorb the wood it self because it contains a life force... Hashirama is creating LIFE which Preta Path cannot absorb entirely. He will ONLY be able to absorb the chakara within the Mokuton not the trees it self because of this. That's just like saying that Preta Path can absorb tailed beast entirely because they are life forms created through a jutsu... That's exactly what the tailed beast are. They are a collection of chakra with life given to them through a jutsu....

Gedo Mazou will kill Nagato way before it kills Hashirama because the Gedo Mazou will extract all of the chakara from within Nagato because it will have no tailed beast to feed chakara from. Hashirama is able to shield himself within his own Mokuton as Madara AND Hashirama has shown in the manga.

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

Hashirama owns! mid-diff

 

[genii96]

Hashirama can create a forest with his Mokuton and Madara was able to easily tear through Oonoki's stone golem AND on top of that Hashirama was able to use his Mokuton to tank a 9tailed TBB at point blank range. This is why CT is useless vs Hashirama. I mean his Mokuton can tear through solid stone and CT is nothing but the collection of w/e it rips from the ground. If what you state is true then why didn't Naruto die when he was sucked into the CT? Oh that's right... he started to turn into the 9tails. Hashirama has ultra healing techniques that require no seals as Madara stated and he can created exact clones of himself that can use all his abilities. Its like the only argument always comes down to CT. Its such an overrated ability when you match it with characters of this caliber. I mean if its such a overkill of an ability then why did Deva Path use it to "capture" Naruto...

I don't understand the logic with people on this forum some times. A guy with ultra healing and Mokuton that allows him to create a forest miles long that can easily shred through solid stone can't destroy CT? So if Hashirama gets sucked into CT hes dead? Huh? Like I said, if that was the case then why did Deva Path use that ability on Naruto at all... Why did Kabuto force Nagato to use that ability on Bee and Naruto... If Hashirama gets sucked into CT then he will just use his Mokuton growth to destroy it. Madara has proven that he can create a full blown forest using Mokuton. He has also proven the destructive power of Mokuton shredding through Oonoki's stone golems.

Also, Mokuton is a LIFE FORCE. Preta Path cannot absorb living objects, it can only absorb the chakara within living objects. Just like when he was absorbing Naruto he wasn't able to absorb Naruto himself because he is a living object. Nagato will only be able to suck the chakara out of the Mokuton but he won't be able to absorb the wood it self because it contains a life force... Hashirama is creating LIFE which Preta Path cannot absorb entirely. He will ONLY be able to absorb the chakara within the Mokuton not the trees it self because of this. That's just like saying that Preta Path can absorb tailed beast entirely because they are life forms created through a jutsu... That's exactly what the tailed beast are. They are a collection of chakra with life given to them through a jutsu....

Gedo Mazou will kill Nagato way before it kills Hashirama because the Gedo Mazou will extract all of the chakara from within Nagato because it will have no tailed beast to feed chakara from. Hashirama is able to shield himself within his own Mokuton as Madara AND Hashirama has shown in the manga.

CT is a black orb that attracts and crushes anything inside. Naruto didnt die because Nagato wanted him alive to take his bijuu,or did you forget abt that?,nagato also said he would simply make a bigger one anyhow. He wanted to capture naruto,not kill him,hence his CT was to capture,not crush.

If hashirama gets sucked in,he will becrushed to pieces by he gravitational force,he wont even be able to move his body to make a forest if he gets pulled in,so yes,he will die once CT comes out,stone golems are not equal to the power of gravity,wood cant beat the gravitational force of CT.

This argument abt nagato unable to create moukton is getting ridculous,moukton is a chakra based kekkai gekkai,the trees are made from the users chakra,hence they are ninjutsu and is FOOD FOR PRETA PATH,the wood is made from hashi's chakra,hence will be absorbed easily. Also rinnegan can tell kage bushins apart IIRC,wood clones will be no different. Gedo would only hurt nagato if he is using soul dragon. And nagato possesed gedo when 7 bijuus were inside,his death came after hachibi and kyubi became the only bijuus not taken,hence he was in possesion of a gedo with 7 bijuus inside,which more than enought to pulverize hashirama, nagato has no need for soul dragon,hence he is in no danger. Hashirama is dead

 

[Zato]

CT is a black orb that attracts and crushes anything inside. Naruto didnt die because Nagato wanted him alive to take his bijuu,or did you forget abt that?,nagato also said he would simply make a bigger one anyhow. He wanted to capture naruto,not kill him,hence his CT was to capture,not crush.

If hashirama gets sucked in,he will becrushed to pieces by he gravitational force,he wont even be able to move his body to make a forest if he gets pulled in,so yes,he will die once CT comes out,stone golems are not equal to the power of gravity,wood cant beat the gravitational force of CT.

This argument abt nagato unable to create moukton is getting ridculous,moukton is a chakra based kekkai gekkai,the trees are made from the users chakra,hence they are ninjutsu and is FOOD FOR PRETA PATH,the wood is made from hashi's chakra,hence will be absorbed easily. Also rinnegan can tell kage bushins apart IIRC,wood clones will be no different. Gedo would only hurt nagato if he is using soul dragon. And nagato possesed gedo when 7 bijuus were inside,his death came after hachibi and kyubi became the only bijuus not taken,hence he was in possesion of a gedo with 7 bijuus inside,which more than enought to pulverize hashirama, nagato has no need for soul dragon,hence he is in no danger. Hashirama is dead

First of all, CT works the same way a black hole does except instead of sucking things into it, it wraps it around the hole. It pulls any and everything into it with a strong gravitational force. The black hole "Orb" has to maintain a perfect sphere to function otherwise it will cease to function if it is chipped, cracked or destroyed entirely. Deva Path was using this same ability to "capture" Naruto. The fact Bee, Naruto and Itachi was able to level themselves onto platforms without being sucked in it mid air proves what you stated wrong about Hashirama not being able to move. Here is your proof,

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as you can see they are in the middle of the CT where it has the strongest effect and they are able to maintain their ground and movement. Here are more examples from this fight

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. Like I said before, Hashirama's Mokuton can TANK a 9tailed TBB at point blank range and your saying it would be crushed by CT? He was able to shield himself within his Mokuton Golem to do this... On top of that he has ultra healing and he can create a forest through the CT that will crush CT.

You are wrong dude. Mokuton is not a normal jutsu. He is creating a LIFE FORCE. This changes the properties of the jutsu. When are you going to understand this. Its nearly almost the same as how the tailed beast were given life with "Yang Release". The SO6P created a life force by separating the chakara of the 10tails and forming life with them. Hashirama is taking Water+Earth and creating life which are the trees. Nagato cannot absorb "Life Force" with Preta Path. He can only absorb the chakara. That's like saying that he can absorb the tailed beast entirely because they were created using ninjutsu. The properties change when it is concerning a life force.

Also read the restrictions, Nagato CANNOT regenerate nor does the Gedo have ANY BIJUU. Also, the Rinnegan cannot detect anything. It just has a wide range of sight. Kabuto and Madara already stated this. So he cannot see through clones nor genjutsu easily. If that was the case he would have been able to easily see through Naruto's simple clone techniques. Madara clearly stated that he was the ONLY person to be able to see through Hashirama's Mokuton clones because his training of the sharigan. Soul dragon is useless if he doesn't know where the real Hashirama is.

 

[Zexion~]

hashirama wins high diff

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Someone acknowleage me saying that edo nagato can win

 

[suki]

edo nagato has a possibility, but hashirama is pretty strong xd

 

[DemonicAvenger]

yea,but what if an alive nagato released all the chakra from his body to make a CT,it would be very large,as an edo,his chakra is undying,so he can do it with no side effects cant he?. Anywhere,it's true that Ct isnt neded to take down that thing

Again, People have limits to what they can knead/release in Jutsu. The whole reason for the second step in Naruto's Rasengan Training was to increase his limit in this area.

Shinobi can't just go around packing all their chakra into Jutsu, this isn't DBZ. Although Healthy Nagato would have a bigger Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

Hashirama should win this easily.

 

[genii96]

Hashirama should win this easily.

huh?,how does he win,let alone easily?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Hashirama should win this easily.

And how so?

The only Jutsu Hashirama has that could even rustle Nagato's Jimmies is Mokuton : Kajukai Korin and Shinsuusenju

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

huh?,how does he win,let alone easily?

I don't like to use the A> B > C logic, but Hashirama soloed Madara and the Kyuubi, so Nagato won't be a problem.

What can do Nagato to defeat Hashirama? His summons are non factors, Hashirama can surpass them with mokuton, or kill them. His Chibaku Tensei is hella strong, but again, Hashirama can destroy it with the Mokuton.
The Cho Shinra Tensei isn't gonna work. Tsunade survived it without chakra and defense, Hashirama can protect himself with the Mokuton + he has regeneration.
Nagato won't be able to shorten the distance between them, so the soul ripping isn't an option.

And I didn't even mentioned Hashirama's Sage Mode summon. That summon is as big ( or bigger ) then Madara's PS. We don't know how it works, but I assume its strong.

 

[genii96]

I don't like to use the A> B > C logic, but Hashirama soloed Madara and the Kyuubi, so Nagato won't be a problem.

What can do Nagato to defeat Hashirama? His summons are non factors, Hashirama can surpass them with mokuton, or kill them. His Chibaku Tensei is hella strong, but again, Hashirama can destroy it with the Mokuton.
The Cho Shinra Tensei isn't gonna work. Tsunade survived it without chakra and defense, Hashirama can protect himself with the Mokuton he has regeneration.
Nagato won't be able to shorten the distance between them, so the soul ripping isn't an option.

And I didn't even mentioned Hashirama's Sage Mode summon. That summon is as big ( or bigger ) then Madara's PS. We don't know how it works, but I assume its strong.

actually, rinnegan nagato gedo mazo is stronger than ems madara a controlled kyubi.

How is hashirama going to destroy something in the sky with moukton?,by the time he gets close to the core,he will be crushed,itachi said the only way to break CT is to use solid long ranged attacks.

CST was meant to destroy konoha itself,not actually the people inside,kiba also survived IIRC,dose that mean he can tank a CST up front?.

Preta orb would render moukton on him useless,he can actually get close with gedo mazo,remeber he had gedo when 7 tailed beasts were sealed inside.also his invincible chamelion will get him clse,not even naruto's sensing in km sensed it. In CQC he pwn hashirama. Hashirama would have to fend off gedo all those other summons while trying to stop CT which he cant really stop,nagato himself will be rendering moukton unusable by preta path. That giant summon is destoyed bt CST,or gedo chakra beam,or he can jus basho tenin hashirama towards him.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

You can turn it around and ask yourself: How does Nagato stop Shinsuusenju? And don't say Gakido can absorb it. Even if it could absorb Mokuton (which hasn't been proved), and not just any Mokuton, it would problably cause him to turn into a statue due to the natural energy.

 

[Kages]

Nagato wins, I assume he has to seal him? Anyway Nagato wins by feats.

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama annihilates without any effort if we go by feats and not pretend that nagato has some ridiculously powerful jutsu on the scale of shinsuusenju.

 

[Strict]

Nagato can't control the Gedo statue the way Tobi did it, as he lacks Uchiha DNA, what is necessary along with Senju DNA, to control Gedo Mazo properly. One slash of Susanoo would beat it anyway, it sliced a bunch of mountains apart with one slash and Kuramas power also surpasses Gedo Mazos.

Hashirama would beat Nagato even without Shinsuusenju. With it, it's gonna be a stomp. Obito used a technique of Hashirama, in order to spamm huge wooden spears through the ten tails of Juubi; the mass that was spammed was incredible.

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Shinsuusenju is even larger than the Juubi and possesses 1000 arms. Shinsuusenju is just too overpowered.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama takes this comfortably.