[VS] Edo Nagato + Edo Itachi vs Allied Shinobi Force

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And this is proof that it can't? No its not. If Sharingan can keep up with his movement then he can warp him. Simple as that.



Again with the flawed logic? Does this mean it can't? No. It. Doesn't.



Never said it has warped anything in a split second. I said it warps in a matter of seconds.





Call me when Itachi or Nagato can escape the Sharingan's vision, which is the only way to dodge Kamui.

Naruto can give him a V1 cloak. Chakra is not an issue here.
Yes, that's what it means else he would have. He had too many opportunities to stop tragedy doing it. Then I guess, you agree nothing breaks yata, because since it's never happened doesn't mean it's going to, right? If it's not in e manga we can make it up.

Anyone can side step out of his kamui. Unlike obi to who holds you and sucks you up, kakashi has to focus a pinhole on the enemy then suck them through it. He isn't absorbing and focusing at the same time. Its never been hinted to be like amaterasu where it can even move with his eye and have an effect. It doesn't work like that.


The manga disproves everything you say.
'Kakashi vs itachi' itachi moves fast enough to out speed kakashi's sharingan. So yes itachi is fast enough. Naga to only has to stay out of his FoV. Being invisibly or having his summonings infront him(like how he always fights and all) already stops kakashi.
Chakra cloaks get absorbed and power up nagato. I didn't think you were part of those who over rate kakashi because of kamui. He can't take on two s+ nin even with naruto's help
 

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Yes, that's what it means else he would have. He had too many opportunities to stop tragedy doing it. Then I guess, you agree nothing breaks yata, because since it's never happened doesn't mean it's going to, right? If it's not in e manga we can make it up.

Smh...

Anyone can side step out of his kamui. Unlike obi to who holds you and sucks you up, kakashi has to focus a pinhole on the enemy then suck them through it. He isn't absorbing and focusing at the same time. Its never been hinted to be like amaterasu where it can even move with his eye and have an effect. It doesn't work like that.
-Already showed scans of him warping BM Naruto while he was in motion in a matter of seconds.

-Kamui'd Pain's moving missile. If he can't focus and warp at the same time this wouldn't be possible.


Nagato is a sitting duck when it comes to Kamui due to him lacking mobility.


The manga disproves everything you say.
'Kakashi vs itachi' itachi moves fast enough to out speed kakashi's sharingan. So yes itachi is fast enough. Naga to only has to stay out of his FoV. Being invisibly or having his summonings infront him(like how he always fights and all) already stops kakashi.
Chakra cloaks get absorbed and power up nagato. I didn't think you were part of those who over rate kakashi because of kamui. He can't take on two s+ nin even with naruto's help
-Scans of Itachi moving fast enough to outspeed the Sharingan? I really hope you aren't talking about his handsign speed cause that's different from footspeed.

-Bold isn't going to happen as Kakashi can warp him before he ever summons a single animal. Invisibility is part of one of his summons abilities.

-Again. Nagato has to first get to Kakashi who also has the protection of Naruto, and make contact with him all before he gets warped. Not happening.

Not to mention Naruto putting pressure on them will make it easier for them to get warped.
 
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Naruto and Kakashi are enough to defeat them. He gives chakra to Kakashi, who could spam kamui anytime he wants and makes it a GG. In fact Naruto can solo, only that he lacks sealing techniques. Kakashi doesn't have either(at least by feats), but he can put them in another dimension forever
 

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Smh...



-Already showed scans of him warping BM Naruto while he was in motion in a matter of seconds.

-Kamui'd Pain's moving missile. If he can't focus and warp at the same time this wouldn't be possible.


Nagato is a sitting duck when it comes to Kamui due to him lacking mobility.




-Scans of Itachi moving fast enough to outspeed the Sharingan? I really hope you aren't talking about his handsign speed cause that's different from footspeed.

-Bold isn't going to happen as Kakashi can warp him before he ever summons a single animal. Invisibility is part of one of his summons abilities.

-Again. Nagato has to first get to Kakashi who also has the protection of Naruto, and make contact with him all before he gets warped. Not happening.

Not to mention Naruto putting pressure on them will make it easier for them to get warped.
Warping naruto who expects it and is moving linearly doesn't prove he can warp a non linear target.
He warped a linear moving missile which he only had to look straight to kamui.

BT and ST would mess up kakashis focus easily. He won't be focusing while he's being moved randomly. All pains jutsu are faster than kakashi activating ms and then kamui. Pain can easily start with BT and suck his soul out. Old his usual method of summon which would be faster than kakashi could have time prep kamui.in fact, the bigger the target, the longer it takes to kamui.he isn't 1 shotting anyone. You people overrate kakashi so much even though he died to only deva. That wasn't that long before war either. Or are you going to scream plot, hmm?

I already said kakashi vs itachi. Itachi stabbed kakashi in his back. That was the real itachi, not a clone. It took kakashi by complete surprise.

Kakashi needs to activate ms first then start kamui. Thered be a platoon by then. That's if kakashi wasn't already killed by itachi + nagato with a BT combo.

No. Naruto and co have to get to kakashi while he's getting his soul sucked. Nagato doesn't have to move a muscle. He can use BT on kakashi and pull him towards himself. Stop acting like nagato doesn't control gravitational forces and can't put the alliance where he wants, when he wants. He can move single targets with BT and ST. Kakashi already lost to pain. So did the entire leaf. Pain is weaker than nagato. Stop with your foolish nonsense.

What pressure can naruto put?
He rushes pain with his linked vision and pain uses human path on him AGAIN? Or he gets blown away with st? Or preta absorbs his cloak? Or he can't even find nagato? Naruto isnt god. Km/bum mode is utterly ineffective and stupid against nagato. He'd need to go sm, and then he's that much slower. In fact, since its not 6 paths and only nagato, they can NEVER get rid of the dog until they seal him. The dog alone puts pressure on them as it already stomped 3 toads.

Its pathetic you think kakashi or naruto are even a match for naga to. Mobility means nothing when he can fly and manipulate your movement however he pleases. Then there's gedo masu to do a mass soul suck. Will kakashi kamui the soul sucking dragon gedo uses? No. Nagato would single handedly kill half the alliance, if not more. Refer to hanzou vs nagato flash back if you even try to rebute he can't summon gedo to do a mass assassination.

*PS I'm on a phone so I won't be providing scans
 
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Being on a phone doesn't exempt you from providing scans.

Without them your argument is weak and unsupported. Your way if posting shouldn't be an excuse as its not our problem.
 

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Being on a phone doesn't exempt you from providing scans.

Without them your argument is weak and unsupported. Your way if posting shouldn't be an excuse as its not our problem.
If you don't know the manga it's not my problem. Why are you arguing if you don't even know the manga? I've set you in the general direction of proof, If you can't find it, stop reading the manga.
 

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Warping naruto who expects it and is moving linearly doesn't prove he can warp a non linear target.
He warped a linear moving missile which he only had to look straight to kamui.
It was being sucked in while it was moving.


If is barrier was stationary like you stupidly claimed it was then warping a moving target is impossible.

The Naruto scan is meant to show how fast his warp is.

BT and ST would mess up kakashis focus easily. He won't be focusing while he's being moved randomly. All pains jutsu are faster than kakashi activating ms and then kamui. Pain can easily start with BT and suck his soul out. Old his usual method of summon which would be faster than kakashi could have time prep kamui.in fact, the bigger the target, the longer it takes to kamui.he isn't 1 shotting anyone. You people overrate kakashi so much even though he died to only deva. That wasn't that long before war either. Or are you going to scream plot, hmm?
Takes Kakashi a split second to use MS so don't bring that BS excuse here.



Bold doesn't mean as he's already successfully warped a Bijuu using Kurama's chakra in a matter of seconds.



Kamui is faster than Nagato summoning his beasts.

BT is countered by Naruto simply grabbing a hold of Kakashi and housing him inside his BM Cloak.


Thus he ends up pulling the whole Kurama avatar towards him thus Kakashi's focus will not be messed up and Nagato gets warped. Then Naruto roars and sends Nagato flying on his ass just like he did to the Bijuu.


I already said kakashi vs itachi. Itachi stabbed kakashi in his back. That was the real itachi, not a clone. It took kakashi by complete surprise.
Yet Kakashi countered with a Water Clone.


Yup, he really took Kakashi by surprise...

Kakashi needs to activate ms first then start kamui. Thered be a platoon by then. That's if kakashi wasn't already killed by itachi + nagato with a BT combo.
Takes a few seconds as I said above.

Countered as I said above.

No. Naruto and co have to get to kakashi while he's getting his soul sucked. Nagato doesn't have to move a muscle. He can use BT on kakashi and pull him towards himself. Stop acting like nagato doesn't control gravitational forces and can't put the alliance where he wants, when he wants. He can move single targets with BT and ST. Kakashi already lost to pain. So did the entire leaf. Pain is weaker than nagato. Stop with your foolish nonsense.
Countered.

What pressure can naruto put?
He rushes pain with his linked vision and pain uses human path on him AGAIN? Or he gets blown away with st? Or preta absorbs his cloak? Or he can't even find nagato? Naruto isnt god. Km/bum mode is utterly ineffective and stupid against nagato. He'd need to go sm, and then he's that much slower. In fact, since its not 6 paths and only nagato, they can NEVER get rid of the dog until they seal him. The dog alone puts pressure on them as it already stomped 3 toads.
Nothing here stops Kakashi from warping him.

-Kamui is faster than summons.
-BT and ST can be countered by Naruto and have a time interval. In that interval Nagato gets warped.
-Nagato needs to get close to Naruto and grab him to be able to absorb his cloak. Which would still take some time. During that time he gets warped.
-Naruto can throw some TBB at him and while he is busy absorbing them...he gets warped.

Its pathetic you think kakashi or naruto are even a match for naga to. Mobility means nothing when he can fly and manipulate your movement however he pleases. Then there's gedo masu to do a mass soul suck. Will kakashi kamui the soul sucking dragon gedo uses? No. Nagato would single handedly kill half the alliance, if not more. Refer to hanzou vs nagato flash back if you even try to rebute he can't summon gedo to do a mass assassination.

*PS I'm on a phone so I won't be providing scans
Nagato needs to be able to summon to fly or use the Gedo and Kamui is faster than summons.

What's pathetic is that you are blatantly ignoring Kamui's feats just because they come from Kakashi.

What's pathetic is your comparing Pain arc Kakashi to War Arc Kakashi cloaked with Naruto's chakra, which increases his power way over 3 times.

What's pathetic is that you have a poor understanding of what a battle is. Sure, go ahead, list all the things Nagato can do, but its pointless if Kamui warps him before any of this ever happens.
 
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If you don't know the manga it's not my problem. Why are you arguing if you don't even know the manga? I've set you in the general direction of proof, If you can't find it, stop reading the manga.
Sorry, that's not how a debate works. You present the opposition with evidence, not tell them to go find it.
 
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