Edo Madara (with Rinnegan) Vs. Tobi (with rinnegan and sharigan)

[TheSages456]

Because when it roars, everything around it is sent flying? Gedo Mazo > Mokuton clones.

Tobi can easily counter Madara's Susanoo with a Preta Path or any other Rinnegan tech.

And as shown by Onoki and Jinton, Madara can only absorb once his Susanoo is broken. So Tobi can break it with a TBB and warp him away.

Tobi and Gedo Mazo > Mokuton clones, easy. They're no issue.

Madara still has no counter to Tobi warping behind him, without Madara realizing, and warping him away.

lmao. i can easily say that madara walks outside of his susano, absorbs the tbb with clones covering him, then goes back inside.

 

[TobisPawn]

lmao. i can easily say that madara walks outside of his susano, absorbs the tbb with clones covering him, then goes back inside.

Where's your proof that someone can walk outside Susanoo? And he still has no counter Tobi either walking in Susanoo and warping him, or warping straight into Susanoo and kidnapping him.

pain said that kurama had to be sealed last or the statue would shatter. that means 100% kurama= tailed beasts 1-8. gedo mazo by itself is powerless. its being fueled by tailed beast chakra.

So it was powerless when Nagato summoned it?

 

[TheSages456]

Where's your proof that someone can walk outside Susanoo? And he still has no counter Tobi either walking in Susanoo and warping him, or warping straight into Susanoo and kidnapping him.




So it was powerless when Nagato summoned it?

itachi and sasuke came out of their susano.

yes the gedo mazo was powerless when nagato summoned it. why do you think nagato had those rods stuck in his back?

 

[TobisPawn]

itachi and sasuke came out of their susano.

yes the gedo mazo was powerless when nagato summoned it. why do you think nagato had those rods stuck in his back?

Itachi and Sasuke have never come out of their Susanoo...

And it still had the soul ripping dragons.

 

[Lt Iceman]

This belongs to the vs thread section and not the discussion section

 

[Demonic Heretical Path]

Sure he can't kill them easily, but they're still no problem for Gedo Mazo and (possibly) 6 Bijuus.

Madara can't absorb the Soul Ripping Dragons, and Tobi can absorb any attack thrown at him too.

And you're saying Tobi is stupid enough to go tangible when flower tree world is out. If Onoki can wake up, Tobi can force Gedo Mazo to wake up and send everything flying. It can roar to get rid of the Mokuton around it.

And you still haven't listed a counter for Tobi's S/T techs.


All you're doing is listing attacks Madara has and acting as if Tobi has no techniques of his own. He also has Izanagi as a last resort, though I doubt Tobi will need to use it.

What makes u think that Madara can not take control over Gedo?....He has double rinnegan (rinnegan in both eyes) while Tobi has it in one eye. Double rinnegan is certainly more powerful than one (just like sharingan). And if nagato can summon Gedo, Madara definitely can, considering summoning things can be summoned/reverse-summoned again by another user.

Madara takes control over GEDO!!!
GAME OVER!

Counter for Tobi's S/T techs:

Tobi couldn't wrap konan , because konan used explosive paper bombs on Tobi's Body. If Tobi tries to wrap him Madara could simply make himself explode, or could use powerful fire ninjutsu. Tobi dies with explosion. Madara regenerates himself.
Madara Win!

 

[TobisPawn]

What makes u think that Madara can not take control over Gedo?....He has double rinnegan (rinnegan in both eyes) while Tobi has it in one eye. Double rinnegan is certainly more powerful than one (just like sharingan). And if nagato can summon Gedo, Madara definitely can, considering summoning things can be summoned/reverse-summoned again by another user.

Madara takes control over GEDO!!!
GAME OVER!

Counter for Tobi's S/T techs:

Tobi couldn't wrap konan , because konan used explosive paper bombs on Tobi's Body. If Tobi tries to wrap him Madara could simply make himself explode, or could use powerful fire ninjutsu. Tobi dies with explosion. Madara regenerates himself.
Madara Win!

Rinnegan =/ Sharingan. You have no proof that two Rinnegans > one Rinnegan.

And currently, we have no proof that Madara can use or ever used Mazo. He died shortly after awakening the Rinnegan.

And Madara can't just make himself blow up, and Tobi can Preta Path any Ninjutsu.

 

[TheSages456]

Itachi and Sasuke have never come out of their Susanoo...

And it still had the soul ripping dragons.

and that gets blocked by susano. yes itachi and sasuke have come out of susano before.

 

[MadaraHashirama]

In the end you shouldn't compare Edo Madara because half of what he has now isn't even his in the first place.
It's like saying Edo Itachi would own Sasuke but Itachi wouldn't, which one is the most proper to compare with? Obviously normal Itachi because Itachi didn't summon himself.

This Edo Madara crap is making me sick, as if it's like Edo Madara is a new form of Madara himself, as if Madara summoned himself to become a Edo in the first place -_-

 

[TobisPawn]

and that gets blocked by susano. yes itachi and sasuke have come out of susano before.

Nvm I found the panel with Susanoo. Tobi's Rinnegan techs and Gedo Mazo should be enough to take out Susanoo.

 

[TheSages456]

Nvm I found the panel with Susanoo. Tobi's Rinnegan techs and Gedo Mazo should be enough to take out Susanoo.

the gedo mazos attacks get absorbed and the only move which could take out madaras susano is chibaku tensei, which gets destroyed by 25 yasaka magatama.

 

[TobisPawn]

the gedo mazos attacks get absorbed and the only move which could take out madaras susano is chibaku tensei, which gets destroyed by 25 yasaka magatama.

Tobi still just warps over to Madara and warps him.

gg

 

[TheSages456]

Tobi still just warps over to Madara and warps him.

gg

lmao fail. i see your grasping at straws now. its safe to say i won this. try to prove something next time okay.

 

[TobisPawn]

lmao fail. i see your grasping at straws now. its safe to say i won this. try to prove something next time okay.

You've never given a counter to Tobi's S/T techs, and you keep on spouting the same "Mokuton Clone" thing which I've already disproved. What else do you want me to do, seeing that you can't think of a counter to Tobi's S/T techs? I don't even need to bring in Izanagi, seeing that you're only relying on a sad Mokuton argument.

Looks like you lost this debate. When you finally give a decent argument to Tobi's S/T (not "moving = avoiding S/T techs") I'll consider bringing in Izanagi or Tobi's unmatched Genjutsu.


And you realize that in the confusion of CB being destroyed, Tobi can warp over and send Madara into his dimension, right?

 

[Rohasu]

In the end you shouldn't compare Edo Madara because half of what he has now isn't even his in the first place.
It's like saying Edo Itachi would own Sasuke but Itachi wouldn't, which one is the most proper to compare with? Obviously normal Itachi because Itachi didn't summon himself.

This Edo Madara crap is making me sick, as if it's like Edo Madara is a new form of Madara himself, as if Madara summoned himself to become a Edo in the first place -_-

dont like it then get out of this thread, no hate. also by saying "edo madara" it points out which madara we are taking about becuase if u haven't noticed tobi used the name madara so basicly its just a name to point which madara we are talking about lol

 

[Prince Charles]

tobi he simply warps behind madara and warps him. the only person who has shown to get out of tobi's warping affect was minato which also had a s/t technique unless madara has one too i give this to tobi.

 

[TobisPawn]

tobi he simply warps behind madara and warps him. the only person who has shown to get out of tobi's warping affect was minato which also had a s/t technique unless madara has one too i give this to tobi.

Its a shame the person debating with me kept on avoiding the S/T techs question.

 

[Prince Charles]

Its a shame the person debating with me kept on avoiding the S/T techs question.

xd i meen edo madara is op as fk but tobi's space time is unavoidable just luk at what happened to danzo subordinates same thing will have to edo madara.

tobi's s/t is too op not to mention madara has shown no sensing abilities that can counter or locate where tobi is going to warp.

tobi simply warps behind him. done deal.

 

[TobisPawn]

xd i meen edo madara is op as fk but tobi's space time is unavoidable just luk at what happened to danzo subordinates same thing will have to edo madara.

tobi's s/t is too op not to mention madara has shown no sensing abilities that can counter or locate where tobi is going to warp.

tobi simply warps behind him. done deal.

Pretty much. If Danzo's bodyguards didn't even notice him disappear until Torune got absorbed, I doubt even the Sharingan can keep up with Tobi warping. And only FTG has been shown to be able to avoid it.

 

[Drakengard]

He'd have to be careful for wood clones though. They're nearly the same as the real thing and Madara has already shown to catch somebody off guard with it. He'd probably require shared vision from a path or something to not be caught off guard.