Edo Madara vs Hiruzen

[Brother Numpsay]

Lets say Orochimaru found his body in part 1 series. He gets patched up by Kabuto (youth rejuvenate). Madara becomes the same power level Hashirama and Tobirama were brought back the first time.

What would you think will be nerfed and limited of use?

Would hiruzen replicate the outcome in the manga, or will Konoha fall?

Ok let me clarify this whole thread.

This is a hypothetical part 1 Edo Madara. He is replacing Edo Tobirama and Hashirama against Hiruzen.

He is limited of only using 3T Sharingan, Katon , Hashirama's Mokuton in part 1, and CQC that rivaled part 1 Hashirama and Tobirama.

 

[Beans2]

What would you think will be nerfed and limited of use?

Infinite Tsukuyomi, Juubi, Shinju, SM, Limbo

Would hiruzen replicate the outcome in the manga, or will Konoha fall?

Madara still stomps. Part1 Hashirama Mokuton already caught Hiruzen in its grasp. Sharingan genjutsu does what bringer of darkness did and ribcage Susanoo tanks Hiruzen's elemental blasts and kill Enma with repeated attacks. Madara solos in CQC. He fought an army in taijutsu.

Oh wait this is Prime Hiruzen? He solos then.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Infinite Tsukuyomi, Juubi, Shinju, SM, Limbo

I think Rinegan and EMS abilities wouldn't be capable in "part 1" form.

Part1 Hashirama Mokuton already caught Hiruzen in its grasp.

He still countered it...

Sharingan genjutsu does what bringer of darkness did

True, I'm sure Emna partner method would work here.

and ribcage Susanoo tanks Hiruzen's elemental blasts and kill Enma with repeated attacks.

I think those would be restricted too.

Madara solos in CQC. He fought an army in taijutsu.

Madara in the same condition as Tobirama and Hashirama would have the same CQC capability shown in part 1.

Oh wait this is Prime Hiruzen? He solos then.

Nope this is a hypothetical part 1 Edo Madara vs part 1 Hiruzen.

 

[DMT]

Hiruzen rapes the fodder Uchiha

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Prime Hiruzen solos.

Same power level as Tobirama and Hashirama? I don't see why he'd lose if everything is equal then, if he's old.

Your post is confusing. Tobirama, Hashirama, Madara, and Orochimaru vs old Hiruzen with a tie being a win? Konoha won't fall no matter what as Guy is still there along with Jiraiya and Danzo. Itachi would even come back if he really needed to, along with Tsunade. Naruto's still a war weapon at this point and they'd just release Kyuubi somehow against Orochimaru. Sarutobi might commit to committing suicide earlier and be able to use a third Shadow Clone for Dead Demon against Madara. Dead Demon is sort of GG towards anybody.

Are you giving youth Madara Rinnegan? I don't think he could use Mangekyou+, anyway. He still has all elements and a probably bigger tactical arsenal than Hashirama when limited. He could probably still use Chakra Receivers, summon the Kyuubi if it becomes a war weapon, and he could go control Gaara's Shukaku to begin his world conquest. His Fire Release would probably be made smaller and weaker, but he can probably use similar techniques of all elements. Madara probably knows more crippling genjutsu than that darkness one, and his taijutsu's probably better than Sarutobi's. He can also use Shadow Clones and Izanagi, most likely.

Madara won't even fight, probably. Zetsu will help him break free.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Just like Veggie the tormentor said. If "beyond prime" edo madara was scaled to part 1 edo form.
Most likely his Rinnegan would be restricted and at the most he may have would be his MS and a V2 Susanoo with juubi katon.

Enma or his elemental techniques surely would help him destroy the susanoo & grant him the advantage in cqc. Since Madara is missing his fan & scythe.

Sharingan genjutsu is either broken by partner method, or neutralized.

Maddy gets RDS'd

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok let me clarify this whole thread.

This is a hypothetical part 1 Edo Madara. He is replacing Edo Tobirama and Hashirama against Hiruzen.

He is limited of only using 3T Sharingan, Katon , Hashirama's Mokuton in part 1, and CQC that rivaled part 1 Hashirama and Tobirama.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Ok let me clarify this whole thread.

This is a hypothetical part 1 Edo Madara. He is replacing Edo Tobirama and Hashirama against Hiruzen.

He is limited of only using 3T Sharingan, Katon , Hashirama's Mokuton in part 1, and CQC that rivaled part 1 Hashirama and Tobirama.

Madara still gets RDS'd. Hiruzen arguably takes this easier than when he had to fight both edo forms Hashirama & Tobirama in canon.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Madara still gets RDS'd. Hiruzen arguably takes this easier than when he had to fight both edo forms Hashirama & Tobirama in canon.

Remember he is fighting part 1 Oro too.

 

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[Chaosmark101]

Remember he is fighting part 1 Oro too.

Well he fought all 3 in the manga... Obviously just fighting 2 people means he saves more chakra before killing himself again...

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Madara still gets RDS'd. Hiruzen arguably takes this easier than when he had to fight both edo forms Hashirama & Tobirama in canon.

Basically this, except it really is just that he takes it easier.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Well he fought all 3 in the manga... Obviously just fighting 2 people means he saves more chakra before killing himself again...

True, lets not forget that Madara can copy everything Hiruzen can do here. How does Hiruzen counter his own Fire Dragon attack?

 

[Chaosmark101]

True, lets not forget that Madara can copy everything Hiruzen can do here. How does Hiruzen counter his own Fire Dragon attack?

With the water dragon he learned from Tobirama. Idk?
I know I'm pulling on strings here, but he is the professor, and Tobirama did teach him. I'd say it's not to far fetched to assume he had good suiton.

 

[Veggie the Tormentor]

Fire Dragon wasn't that much of a factor in that fight and the most important thing is Dead Demon. Hiruzen's encountered Sharingan before, as well, so he wouldn't let his jutsu be copied and would use ones that aren't able to be. Enma and Hiruzen are also 2 people who will overwhelm in CQC, now that Hiruzen just needs to fight a single person. Madara doesn't have a ninja tool to copy Shadow Shuriken, for example. The things you gave him and a 3 tomoe Sharingan that can only match part 1 Hashirama in CQC just makes the fight easier in general for Hiruzen. Orochimaru might even die if Hiruzen can use an extra clone to dispel the barrier with Demon absorbing it, if it could.