Edo Madara vs Edo Itachi + Edo Nagato

[TRE MERCER]

Without Ps Madara loses badly.

 

[Edogawa]

I would say grasping at straws would be attempting to compare such different angles. There's no way Kishimoto is going to take the time to scale correctly unless something is being directly compared to it, like another large structure, which has only been done with Wood Style: Wood Human Technique. We can obviously tell all the other Susano'o versions are equal in size, so Perfect Susano'o being any different makes no sense. Madara's fire techniques were matched in size by Obito, who is obviously weaker, so I doubt Sasuke wouldn't be able to do the same.

We've already seen relative sizes that can lead us to conclude which is bigger.

-PS (Madara) and Mokujin are depicted the size of Jubi.
-Jubi's hand or finger is the size of a Biju.
-PS (Sasuke) is depicted equivalent to Naruto's avatar, which makes it Biju size.

Based on this proportional correlation, Madara's PS is bigger than Sasuke's. The only time you can say they're relative in size is when Madara coated it with Kurama, considerably making it smaller to fit with Kurama.

I stated him in his state against Naruto couldn't perform two, not in a fresh state. This is why I gave him the benefit of around five. Konan implied that Planetary Devastation at the time was fatal. This means even in his fresh state it is a stressful technique. If I'm not wrong as well, he doesn't suffer from anything except for loss of legs and his age is of no concern seeing as he was quite young against Naruto. He definitely doesn't make more than seven at a time in this scenario, and that may be pushing it.

Konan never implied it was a fatal. She just said his body can't take it anymore. It can't be fatal if he was able to make it of that sheer size and still have enough to revive all of Konoha. And yes, he did suffer from Anorexia which is a disease. His Chakra capacity is well lesser than his healthier state, since it's stated old age or disease have a negative effect on Chakra. Let me give you an example:

Let's say when by the time he used CT at that particular size, his Chakra capacity was 10%; at his healthier state, he can create two big ones which would consume 20% and 4 which would consume 40%. The key point that the consumption rate would vary on how big he desires it to be. He can still create more CT's but on lesser size and that shouldn't consume too much of his Chakra.

I wasn't saying Madara would be able to cut through the entire technique, at least not without having Perfect Susano'o fly through it like Sasuke. Planetary Devastation takes time to collect rocks and become that large, and obviously Madara knows what it is, so he's going to attack the cores before they even have rock touching them. As stated, Nagato cannot protect all of them under the conditions of the vast distance, his time interval, and the fact the gravity makes Madara's attacks even faster.

You make it seem PS has some sort of super speed, that it can be manifested, take flight and slash the cores all before they attract the surrounding environment. Sasuke himself couldn't do it against Madara. Even if your strategy did work, he would at best be able to get rid of 1 or 2 cores and by the time he does that, the others had gained their big size. Nagato would able to keep PS busy long enough for his CT to become huge

 

[Holy God]

We've already seen relative sizes that can lead us to conclude which is bigger.

-PS (Madara) and Mokujin are depicted the size of Jubi.
-Jubi's hand or finger is the size of a Biju.
-PS (Sasuke) is depicted equivalent to Naruto's avatar, which makes it Biju size.

Based on this proportional correlation, Madara's PS is bigger than Sasuke's. The only time you can say they're relative in size is when Madara coated it with Kurama, considerably making it smaller to fit with Kurama.

So you expect me to believe that Kurama is the size of the Ten-Tails?

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Konan never implied it was a fatal. She just said his body can't take it anymore. It can't be fatal if he was able to make it of that sheer size and still have enough to revive all of Konoha. And yes, he did suffer from Anorexia which is a disease. His Chakra capacity is well lesser than his healthier state, since it's stated old age or disease have a negative effect on Chakra. Let me give you an example:

Let's say when by the time he used CT at that particular size, his Chakra capacity was 10%; at his healthier state, he can create two big ones which would consume 20% and 4 which would consume 40%. The key point that the consumption rate would vary on how big he desires it to be. He can still create more CT's but on lesser size and that shouldn't consume too much of his Chakra.

We don't know if it is even chakra taxing to return souls, only that it has the drawback of killing the user. Even Obito was able to do it despite having his chakra ripped from him. I also can't see how being skinny effects someone's chakra system. It's not something akin to a virus. And yes, Planetary Devastation can be of different size, but you had referred to making multiple of that certain size used against Naruto, and I can't see Nagato making ten of them. I established that seven would be a good number, so why not leave it at that?

You make it seem PS has some sort of super speed, that it can be manifested, take flight and slash the cores all before they attract the surrounding environment. Sasuke himself couldn't do it against Madara. Even if your strategy did work, he would at best be able to get rid of 1 or 2 cores and by the time he does that, the others had gained their big size. Nagato would able to keep PS busy long enough for his CT to become huge

You missed the main part of the strategy. I said Madara could throw his swords, which means all the cores are getting hit with an interval of mere seconds. Nagato cannot guard all of his cores like that and they definitely are not getting large enough to block considering the speed the swords would fly at, that being faster than the rocks that start even lower than where the swords start.

 

[Edogawa]

So you expect me to believe that Kurama is the size of the Ten-Tails?

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I didn't say this. If you want to assert Sasuke/Kakashi's PS are relative to Madara's PS in size, then Iso Susanoo that coated Kurama is indeed relative. Other than that, it's clearly depicted Madara has the larger PS of the three.

We don't know if it is even chakra taxing to return souls, only that it has the drawback of killing the user. Even Obito was able to do it despite having his chakra ripped from him. I also can't see how being skinny effects someone's chakra system. It's not something akin to a virus. And yes, Planetary Devastation can be of different size, but you had referred to making multiple of that certain size used against Naruto, and I can't see Nagato making ten of them. I established that seven would be a good number, so why not leave it at that?

Considering Konan was worried that he would die at his Chakra rate, then it's very taxing. The difference between Obito and Nagato is, former died from reviving an individual while latter died from reviving thousands. Nagato's weight-less comes from Anorexia, which is a disease so it did affect his Chakra reserves in a negative manner.

You missed the main part of the strategy. I said Madara could throw his swords, which means all the cores are getting hit with an interval of mere seconds. Nagato cannot guard all of his cores like that and they definitely are not getting large enough to block considering the speed the swords would fly at, that being faster than the rocks that start even lower than where the swords start.

Firstly, Madara's PS uses only 1 sword at a time. Secondly, you forget that the core can be guided at incredible speed, when you look at the distance it crossed from the God Tree to VOTE. Your strategy would fail in that Nagato can move those cores out of blade's reach, while continuing to collect rocks; it only took few pages from CT's start until its end, which is considerably fast if each panel represents only 1 second in real life. My premise still stands; Madara succeed in destroying 1 or 2 CT's, while the rest become large enough to deliver the hit for PS's annihilation.

 

[Holy God]

I didn't say this. If you want to assert Sasuke/Kakashi's PS are relative to Madara's PS in size, then Iso Susanoo that coated Kurama is indeed relative. Other than that, it's clearly depicted Madara has the larger PS of the three.

Well, Kurama is the size of Wood Style: Wood Human, which is also the same size as Madara's Perfect Susano'o. The panels I presented are perfect for comparison because the same structure is depicted directly next to the comparing sample. There's no denying with that, that Madara's Perfect Susano'o is the same size as Kurama, which is the same size as Sasuke's/Kakashi's Perfect Susano'o.

Considering Konan was worried that he would die at his Chakra rate, then it's very taxing. The difference between Obito and Nagato is, former died from reviving an individual while latter died from reviving thousands. Nagato's weight-less comes from Anorexia, which is a disease so it did affect his Chakra reserves in a negative manner.

When is she concerned for his chakra level during Rinne Rebirth? The technique kills the user, regardless of the amount of souls to return. It doesn't matter if someone is full of chakra, they die. I think you're taking "disease" too literally. Anorexia is classified as an eating disorder, which may possibly stem from a disease if I'm correct. Nagato got that way from the Demonic Statue, no? It shouldn't have any impact on his chakra.

Firstly, Madara's PS uses only 1 sword at a time. Secondly, you forget that the core can be guided at incredible speed, when you look at the distance it crossed from the God Tree to VOTE. Your strategy would fail in that Nagato can move those cores out of blade's reach, while continuing to collect rocks; it only took few pages from CT's start until its end, which is considerably fast if each panel represents only 1 second in real life. My premise still stands; Madara succeed in destroying 1 or 2 CT's, while the rest become large enough to deliver the hit for PS's annihilation.

Madara can create more swords, just like he did with Majestic Attire: Susano'o, and at an incredible rate. The cores use gravity, so the swords are going to be directed at the cores no matter how high they go, and if Nagato were to move them so far away from above Madara (in an "x-direction", per se), they become essentially useless since Madara would no longer have to dodge. I believe the panels thing is just the way of Kishimoto getting to the point and not wasting valuable pages. When he faced Naruto, Bee, and Itachi, they had plenty of time to talk while being lifted I believe. Also note that Madara's swords are moving faster than the rocks, once again.

 

[Edogawa]

Well, Kurama is the size of Wood Style: Wood Human, which is also the same size as Madara's Perfect Susano'o. The panels I presented are perfect for comparison because the same structure is depicted directly next to the comparing sample. There's no denying with that, that Madara's Perfect Susano'o is the same size as Kurama, which is the same size as Sasuke's/Kakashi's Perfect Susano'o.

Weren't you just saying that it's impossible for Kurama to be the size of Jubi? Because a standing PS and Mokujin are relative to the Jubi in size. [

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] PS and Mokujin were obviously a lot smaller at VOTE than at War.

When is she concerned for his chakra level during Rinne Rebirth? The technique kills the user, regardless of the amount of souls to return. It doesn't matter if someone is full of chakra, they die. I think you're taking "disease" too literally. Anorexia is classified as an eating disorder, which may possibly stem from a disease if I'm correct. Nagato got that way from the Demonic Statue, no? It shouldn't have any impact on his chakra.

She stated Nagato died from Chakra exhaustion and not the side-effect of the Jutsu. [

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] It would be suicidal for other individuals, but not implied for Nagato.

Madara can create more swords, just like he did with Majestic Attire: Susano'o, and at an incredible rate. The cores use gravity, so the swords are going to be directed at the cores no matter how high they go, and if Nagato were to move them so far away from above Madara (in an "x-direction", per se), they become essentially useless since Madara would no longer have to dodge. I believe the panels thing is just the way of Kishimoto getting to the point and not wasting valuable pages. When he faced Naruto, Bee, and Itachi, they had plenty of time to talk while being lifted I believe. Also note that Madara's swords are moving faster than the rocks, once again.

Attire Susanoo and PS are different. His PS is depicted wielding only one sword, and he would have created two when the Mokujin was holding PS arm negating its swing. And Madara's swords aren't moving faster than CT's speed rate to collect rocks, when you especially look at the time Hashirama was able to run and summon 5 Rashomons all before the blade reached him. The collected rocks, which are mountain-sized as I showed, will act as shield to protect the core. Can the blade even be detached and thrown across vast distances? That would make it disappear since it's disconnected from Madara, the user.