Edo Madara vs Edo Hashirama

[genii96]

Well it seems Madara is the biggest Hashirama fan xd

yea,no kiddingxd,he wanked the crap out of hashirama.

 

[TheSages456]

how does edo madara loose to alive hashirama?

madaras full power is still the perfect susano that hashirama is canonically above so you do the math.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

madaras full power is still the perfect susano that hashirama is canonically above so you do the math.

But now he has Mokuton and Rinnegan too. Edo Madara > Hashirama.

 

[TheSages456]

But now he has Mokuton and Rinnegan too. Edo Madara > Hashirama.

madaras new techs dont matter. they are trash compared to PS. their power is negligible compared to the now set full power of hashirama which is above perfect susano which easily decimated the meteor and mokuton.

 

[Slug Princess Tsunade]

madaras new techs dont matter. they are trash compared to PS. their power is negligible compared to the now set full power of hashirama which is above perfect susano which easily decimated the meteor and mokuton.

The Rinnegan is trash? Lol. I!m a Senju fangirl, but even I can see EDO Madara shits on Hashirama.

 

[TheSages456]

The Rinnegan is trash? Lol. I!m a Senju fangirl, but even I can see EDO Madara shits on Hashirama.

madaras meteor is trash compared to PS which is inferior to hashirama. do you understand? by saying that hashirama gets beaten by a meteor you are saying that the meteor is stronger than PS which is directly contradicted by madara saying PS is his strongest tech and its feats of busting the meteor and 2 mountains and the whole landscape.

 

[Strict]

madaras new techs dont matter. they are trash compared to PS. their power is negligible compared to the now set full power of hashirama which is above perfect susano which easily decimated the meteor and mokuton.

Madaras new form gave him unlimited chakra, hence allowing him to use any technique without an actual limit. Absolute immortality allows Madara to even regenerate himself from dust. According to Madara, he fought Hashirama in a fight to death and managed to survive fully threshed and at his limit. This however doesn't apply to the current Madara, who doesn't possess a limit, allowing him to fully use his techniques, without reaching the limit of his chakra. Any damage is rendered useless against Madara, even if being hit by Juubis Bijudama, he will be regenerated right away. So if we already compare Madara with the techniques he possessed at his prime, in Edo form he's clearly superior to when he used to life. Hashirama fought Madara, who possessed a limit of Chakra and could took physical damage in a fight to death, now, however Madara is completely immortal and doesn't have a chakra limit, what puts Hashirama in a worser position. Now, it seems that Madara made use of his Sharingan, in order to copy any technique he saw from Hashirama within his whole fights against him, the last fight where they fought with their full arsenal in a fight to death included. The most techniques of his main strength Mokuton, were copied by Madara and can be used now by himself since he possesses the wood release, too. Covering the landscape with trees, using the Mokuton Dragon and even Mokuton Bunshins he can combine with Susanoo, allows him by far more combinations he can use against Hashirama. Without saying that Madaras Mokuton is on pair with Hashirama, Madaras wood release allows him to fight the wood release by far easier and also, with unlimited Chakra.

The Rinnegan is just the tip.

He barely beat a living EMS user, but he cannot beat an immortal with limitless Chakra and a bunch of other abilities.

 

[TheSages456]

Madaras new form gave him unlimited chakra, hence allowing him to use any technique without an actual limit. Absolute immortality allows Madara to even regenerate himself from dust. According to Madara, he fought Hashirama in a fight to death and managed to survive fully threshed and at his limit. This however doesn't apply to the current Madara, who doesn't possess a limit, allowing him to fully use his techniques, without reaching the limit of his chakra. Any damage is rendered useless against Madara, even if being hit by Juubis Bijudama, he will be regenerated right away. So if we already compare Madara with the techniques he possessed at his prime, in Edo form he's clearly superior to when he used to life. Hashirama fought Madara, who possessed a limit of Chakra and could took physical damage in a fight to death, now, however Madara is completely immortal and doesn't have a chakra limit, what puts Hashirama in a worser position. Now, it seems that Madara made use of his Sharingan, in order to copy any technique he saw from Hashirama within his whole fights against him, the last fight where they fought with their full arsenal in a fight to death included. The most techniques of his main strength Mokuton, were copied by Madara and can be used now by himself since he possesses the wood release, too. Covering the landscape with trees, using the Mokuton Dragon and even Mokuton Bunshins he can combine with Susanoo, allows him by far more combinations he can use against Hashirama. Without saying that Madaras Mokuton is on pair with Hashirama, Madaras wood release allows him to fight the wood release by far easier and also, with unlimited Chakra.

The Rinnegan is just the tip.

He barely beat a living EMS user, but he cannot beat an immortal with limitless Chakra and a bunch of other abilities.

the bold is speculation and this versatility means nothing if it can just get easily overpowered. kishi has hashiramas full power set at a level above perfect susano and perfect susano made madaras new techs that you are wanking look like trash.

 

[genii96]

madaras full power is still the perfect susano that hashirama is canonically above so you do the math.

wrong,madara has hashirama's full moukton power too,alongside his perfect susanoo.preta path as well.

Also,you use ABC logic,susanoo is pure chakra which moukton supresses,whereas the meteors are not,also how will hashi's wood counter the meteors?,dont use perfect susanoo as your answer,cuz meteors and susanoo arent the same thing.

 

[TheSages456]

wrong,madara has hashirama's full moukton power too,alongside his perfect susanoo.preta path as well.

Also,you use ABC logic,susanoo is pure chakra which moukton supresses,whereas the meteors are not,also how will hashi's wood counter the meteors?,dont use perfect susanoo as your answer,cuz meteors and susanoo arent the same thing.

1st bold: well god damn, you have a pretty horrible argument here. madara said that perfect susano is his full power so your speculation holds no water.

2nd bold: no you cant since madaras full power has remained static.

3rd bold: yup perfect susano obliterates 50 meteors at once and so does hashiramas full power as stated by madara.

 

[genii96]

1st bold: well god damn, you have a pretty horrible argument here. madara said that perfect susano is his full power so your speculation holds no water.

2nd bold: no you cant since madaras full power has remained static.

3rd bold: yup perfect susano obliterates 50 meteors at once and so does hashiramas full power as stated by madara.

1) kabuto said madara's moukton was on par with hashirama,madara has hashirama's power,which combined with his own ems powers,as well as rinnegan,will let him beat hashirama.

2)kabuto claimed he had tweaked him past his prime,how is his full power static?

3)dosent matter,it's the nature of the attack,deva path had problems with kn6 naruto,but preta path would simpy absorb the chakra,that dosent mean it is stronger than deva. Some jutsus are better for a particular occasion. If susano isnt useful,then he uses his moukton which are equal to hashirama's,alongside preta path which will make hashi's moukton useless,and his meteors from above which will kill hashi.

 

[Unorthodox]

thesage is a terrible fanboy

 

[UchihaInza]

edo hashirama but hiruzen handled the 2nd and the 1st aND OCHI AT THE SAME TIME

 

[TheSages456]

1) kabuto said madara's moukton was on par with hashirama,madara has hashirama's power,which combined with his own ems powers,as well as rinnegan,will let him beat hashirama.

2)kabuto claimed he had tweaked him past his prime,how is his full power static?

3)dosent matter,it's the nature of the attack,deva path had problems with kn6 naruto,but preta path would simpy absorb the chakra,that dosent mean it is stronger than deva. Some jutsus are better for a particular occasion. If susano isnt useful,then he uses his moukton which are equal to hashirama's,alongside preta path which will make hashi's moukton useless,and his meteors from above which will kill hashi.

1. madaras words are more credible than kabutos. please take your BS elsewhere.

2. because his full power is still perfect susano as it was in the past.

3. all of madaras techs are meant for destruction and cover large AOE. there is no different purpose for them. madara says that his perfect susano is stronger than mokuton. hashiramas full power brought down perfect susano which means that he has something that madara cant replicate.

in conclusion, you are calling madara wrong therefore indirectly calling kishimoto wrong. hashiramas full power>perfect susano>>>>>madaras mokuton>meteor. this is exactly what kishi portrayed. he portrayed madaras new powers being far underneath him and hashiramas full power therefore they arent a factor. take this up with kishimoto.

 

[Unorthodox]

madara ftw

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

edo madara = better than prime
edo hashirama = not full power let alone better than full power.

madaras new techs dont matter. they are trash compared to PS. their power is negligible compared to the now set full power of hashirama which is above perfect susano which easily decimated the meteor and mokuton.

hashirama redirected bijuudamas which presumably did madara in. ineffective vs rinnegan

madaras full power is still the perfect susano

IN COMBINATION WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. why do you think he had rinnegan on while stablising PS?

Well he stated only Hashirama can stop him

and not "hashirama can seal me up with a super hax move and you guys cant". stop =/= seal

loses to real hashirama like in manga canon.

i didnt know edo madara fought alive hashirama

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

madaras words are more credible than kabutos. please take your BS elsewhere.

and what about bee who said the mokuton power of madara is equal to hashirama? madara never said hashirama can seal/kill him. stop can mean alot of things.

in conclusion, you are calling madara wrong therefore indirectly calling kishimoto wrong.

im pretty sure kishimoto is not an arrogant pigheaded uchiha in love with hashirama's wood.

 

[TheSages456]

edo madara = better than prime
edo hashirama = not full power let alone better than full power.

hashirama redirected bijuudamas which presumably did madara in. ineffective vs rinnegan

IN COMBINATION WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. why do you think he had rinnegan on while stablising PS?

and not "hashirama can seal me up with a super hax move and you guys cant". stop =/= seal

i didnt know edo madara fought alive hashirama

obviously the bijudama did nothing to madara. lets be serious, shall we?

madara can use susano with the rinnegan out. whats your point?

madara doesnt have the feats of using every tech in his arsenal at once. since you go by feats and nothing else, this should be easy for you to understand.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

obviously the bijudama did nothing to madara. lets be serious, shall we?

how do you know?

madara can use susano with the rinnegan out. whats your point?

my poont is PS is not better than everything else by itself. edo madarta > ems madara because his full power is PS in combination with rinnegan and senju dna