[Discussion] Edo Madara is still possibly stronger than Edo Hashirama

[Sherlock.]

I personally want to see Hashirama kick Madara's a** and defeat him.... But the series is called Naruto so Madara will definitely have to be stronger than Hashirama and Naruto stronger than both so that Naruto defeats Madara in the end....

 

[KidGamer65]

First off it must take a ridculous amount of chakara to keep ps, so i doubt he would be able to sustain it for long. While Rinnegan is always there. Only BT has been shown to be amplified, so we can assume ST is as well.
And you saying PS tanks it effortlessly is completley basless.

Also preta path would absorb the wood, so Hashi cant do much against Madara.

@bold: EMS Susanoos consume an amount of chakra that is beneficial towards their user. Madara has a larger chakra supply so he can hold PS. Hence EMS users not experiencing any strain from holding Susanoo up. Assuming Madara can hold his up because it is bigger is an incorrect assumption.

Not really baseless. CST destroyed a village. Itachi's V2 Susanoo tanked a blast that destroyed most of a mountain. If the second weakest Susanoo can tank that kind of blast, a village buster has no chance against PS.

Preta Path absorbs the chakra out of the wood not the wood itself. Trying to absorb a bunch of wood coming at you is a horrible idea, the Wood alone will crush his body.

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[Jukain]

@bold: EMS Susanoos consume an amount of chakra that is beneficial towards their user. Madara has a larger chakra supply so he can hold PS. Hence EMS users not experiencing any strain from holding Susanoo up. Assuming Madara can hold his up because it is bigger is an incorrect assumption.

Not really baseless. CST destroyed a village. Itachi's V2 Susanoo tanked a blast that destroyed most of a mountain. If the second weakest Susanoo can tank that kind of blast, a village buster has no chance against PS.

Preta Path absorbs the chakra out of the wood not the wood itself. Trying to absorb a bunch of wood coming at you is a horrible idea, the Wood alone will crush his body.

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The larger it is yes there must be more chakara. All the kages were astonished by how much chakara was in the susanoo. So yes we can assume it takes alot of chakara to sustain.
Also the only reason why his susanoo tanked it was cause of the shield. Madara does not have the shield, and without a doubt would take heavy damage from Chou shinra tensei.

Ill give you the wood part, but he has shinra tensei and bombs and chakara guns that will easily dispose of the wood jutsus.

Having rinnengan being used hand in hand with Susanoo is the dealiest thing in the anime so far. Susanoos CT would be ridiculous. This is all of the assumption however that Madara knows how to use the rinnengan was well as Nagato

 

[KidGamer65]

The larger it is yes there must be more chakara. All the kages were astonished by how much chakara was in the susanoo. So yes we can assume it takes alot of chakara to sustain.
Also the only reason why his susanoo tanked it was cause of the shield. Madara does not have the shield, and without a doubt would take heavy damage from Chou shinra tensei.

Ill give you the wood part, but he has shinra tensei and bombs and chakara guns that will easily dispose of the wood jutsus.

Having rinnengan being used hand in hand with Susanoo is the dealiest thing in the anime so far. Susanoos CT would be ridiculous. This is all of the assumption however that Madara knows how to use the rinnengan was well as Nagato

I already know that PS takes a lot of chakra, that doesn't mean Madara can't hold it up for a long period of time like you claim.

Nope. V2 Susanoo doesn't have Yata Mirror. It took it on by itself, CST will not harm Perfect Susanoo.

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Not when this was blocked by V2 Susanoo which is leaps and bounds weaker and smaller (Thus less defenese) than PS.

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Shinra Tensei has a 5 second interval and Mokuton can be produced by Hashirama every second. Chakra guns won't destroy all of the large scale faster than Hashirama produces it.

That's under the assumption CT would be powered up by Susanoo, when it doesn't even work like BT and ST so making that comparison is pointless.

 

[Jukain]

I already know that PS takes a lot of chakra, that doesn't mean Madara can't hold it up for a long period of time like you claim.

Nope. V2 Susanoo doesn't have Yata Mirror. It took it on by itself, CST will not harm Perfect Susanoo.

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Not when this was blocked by V2 Susanoo which is leaps and bounds weaker and smaller (Thus less defenese) than PS.

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Shinra Tensei has a 5 second interval and Mokuton can be produced by Hashirama every second. Chakra guns won't destroy all of the large scale faster than Hashirama produces it.

That's under the assumption CT would be powered up by Susanoo, when it doesn't even work like BT and ST so making that comparison is pointless.

Saying he can sustain it at long periods of time is just as basless.

Also Itachi was lieing on the floor we didint even get to see what version of susanoo was put up. So you are assuming its v2 when i could have been the whole thing. Im going to assume it was the mirrior, you can assume it was V2 but you have no proof.

Again you are assuming that PS can tank CST when CST is on a completley different level from sasukes lighting anyways.

and yes it does have a 5 second interval but when Hashi is hit by hit it would send him flying by the time he recovers and counter attacks, the 5 seconds will either be over or close to over.

And again you are assuimng the chakara cannon could not stop the tress.

HOnestly theres tooo much assumptions on both sides, neither of us can prove anything unless we saw them fight.

 

[KidGamer65]

Saying he can sustain it at long periods of time is just as basless.

Also Itachi was lieing on the floor we didint even get to see what version of susanoo was put up. So you are assuming its v2 when i could have been the whole thing. Im going to assume it was the mirrior, you can assume it was V2 but you have no proof.

Again you are assuming that PS can tank CST when CST is on a completley different level from sasukes lighting anyways.

and yes it does have a 5 second interval but when Hashi is hit by hit it would send him flying by the time he recovers and counter attacks, the 5 seconds will either be over or close to over.

And again you are assuimng the chakara cannon could not stop the tress.

HOnestly theres tooo much assumptions on both sides, neither of us can prove anything unless we saw them fight.

It clearly shows which Susanoo was up, why would his V2 Susanoo appear when he got up if he used the full thing to block it? His full Susanoo would have reappeared had he used it. Makes absolutely no sense. My assumption is clearly not an assumption, it is as clear as day the mirror was not used to block Kirin. Your assumption is just wrong.

Sasuke's lightning destroyed most of a mountain, CST destroyed a village, the difference between the two isn't as big as the obvious difference between V2 and PS. Not to mention an unstabilized PS took on a Bijuu Dama with no damage at all. CST is tanked by PS.

Hashirama can manipulate Mokuton that has already been used, he can simply use one of the branches to catch himself and counterattack.

Just like you assumed they can stop them. What damage has the chakra cannon shown that leads me to believe it can stop something like this? Nothing.

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[Jukain]

It clearly shows which Susanoo was up, why would his V2 Susanoo appear when he got up if he used the full thing to block it? His full Susanoo would have reappeared had he used it. Makes absolutely no sense. My assumption is clearly not an assumption, it is as clear as day the mirror was not used to block Kirin. Your assumption is just wrong.

Sasuke's lightning destroyed most of a mountain, CST destroyed a village, the difference between the two isn't as big as the obvious difference between V2 and PS. Not to mention an unstabilized PS took on a Bijuu Dama with no damage at all. CST is tanked by PS.

Hashirama can manipulate Mokuton that has already been used, he can simply use one of the branches to catch himself and counterattack.

Just like you assumed they can stop them. What damage has the chakra cannon shown that leads me to believe it can stop something like this? Nothing.

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Again you are assuming the shiled did not come up. His V2 came out for the sake of the story, so it looks cool when it becomes formed. All the enthuse the reader.
Even if it was versinon 2 blocking that attack is no where near the same level as CST

Also the difference between half a mountain and a village is a exponetial difference.

Your being ridiculous if you say PS can just stand there and tank the attack with no damage.

Hashi wont beable to catch himself right away cause the impact of the blast will make him stunned for atleast a couple seconds as it did to everyone else in the show.

About Susanoo tanking bijudama it was the swords not susanoo itself that stopped the attack. And we dont know yet if it will explode in susanoos face cause all we see now is susanno stopping it with the two swords.

and again we havent seen the chakaa cannon in action yet however we do know that susanno amplifies the attack, with susanoo using it i would say it would blast away the trees.

 

[KidGamer65]

]Again you are assuming the shiled did not come up.[/B] His V2 came out for the sake of the story, so it looks cool when it becomes formed. All the enthuse the reader.
Even if it was versinon 2 blocking that attack is no where near the same level as CST

Also the difference between half a mountain and a village is a exponetial difference.

Your being ridiculous if you say PS can just stand there and tank the attack with no damage.

Hashi wont beable to catch himself right away cause the impact of the blast will make him stunned for atleast a couple seconds as it did to everyone else in the show.

About Susanoo tanking bijudama it was the swords not susanoo itself that stopped the attack. And we dont know yet if it will explode in susanoos face cause all we see now is susanno stopping it with the two swords.

and again we havent seen the chakaa cannon in action yet however we do know that susanno amplifies the attack, with susanoo using it i would say it would blast away the trees.

No I'm not, you can see that the shield isn't there when the Susanoo is formed, all you see are the bones, go look at that scan, do you see a shield? Obviously not. Really? For the sake of the story? That shows that you have no legit reason to believe that he used his Full Susanoo when he clearly used his V2. When you can show me where V2 Susanoo has Yata Mirror in that scan then you're right, but you can't so you're wrong.
Again, the difference between CST and Kirin isn't as big as the difference between PS and V2 Susanoo.

I'm being ridiculous yet you have given no reason as to why PS won't tank it. Its ridiculous to think a Susanoo this big will take serious damage from CST. Even if it doesn't tank it with no damage, it definitely won't break it and then whoever used CST will get one shotted by PS's sword.

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Stunned? Bee wasn't stunned when Nagato's S/T sent him flying backwards, all he needs to do is put his hands together and then the Mokuton will catch him.

Just stop now. Susanoo doesn't amplify Asura Path, just because it amplified BT doesn't mean it will amplify the other paths and if we haven't seen them in action, how are you going to use them in this argument?

 

[Dark Slayer]

it's only logical that MAD is stronger
rinnegan+moukuton+ems Madara+unlimited chakra+edo body+juubi

vs

Hashirama+unlimited chakra+edo body

Exactly

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Madara dosent have a juubi, he has the 10 tails statue holding the juubis, and obitios in control of that.

dumbest thing anyone has ever said about madara

facts:
madara was connected to the juubi 1st
gedo mazo is the juubi
madara retrieved its body from the moon
madara and obito both strengthened their connection to the juubi at the same damn time

so now explain how he doesn't /didn't have it......