[Discussion] Edo Madara is still possibly stronger than Edo Hashirama

[TheSages456]

He could be referring to his PS as his full destructive power, but in terms of defense Rinnegan could still supersede PS

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nope. madara calls it his full power which means that it surpasses anything else that he has. also since when is your strongest destructive move not your full power? that is never the case in this manga.

PS is a defense & offence packed into 1 technique. you are vulnerable when absorbing large scale ninjutsu wit preta path.

 

[Jūgo1]

i hope that fanboys know that madara isnt "madara+nagato+hashirama". he has gained a portion of hashiramas strength and preta path. both of these are weaker than the mokujin.

you do know that Madara gave Nagato his eyes right?... lol

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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nope. madara calls it his full power which means that it surpasses anything else that he has. also since when is your strongest destructive move not your full power? that is never the case in this manga.

PS is a defense & offence packed into 1 technique. you are vulnerable when absorbing large scale ninjutsu wit preta path.

Its a situational basis, the rinnegan could still prove to be a better defensive measure like the human, deva, naraka and animal path, it is the tactical measures the Rinnegan gives that allows for a more flexible type of combat.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

You guys are crazy madara with the rennigan will probably one panel hashi. People are jumping on his **** way too much, we still have not seen any real feats of battle, we only heard about him fighting madara and seen that he has crazy chakra. So does madara and the manga has always said madara and hashi were equals, if not hashi had an edge. Hashi probably never even seen a real rennigan. And remember people madara only wanted hashi's cells and even fooled hashi into believing he died. Mark my words if the hokages enter the battlefield madara is gonna shit on them!

Madara has used a large portion of Hashirama's Mokuton Jutsu against his battle with the Kages, and not to mention that Hashirama's power has made Madara really formidable.

If Hashirama wasn't so powerful like you say then...

- Why did Orochimaru spend all of that time trying to intergrate Hashirama's cells into infants for experiments? (Result Yamato)

- Why does Danzo have Hashirama's DNA?

- Why does Obito/Tobi have Hashirama's DNA?

- Why does Madara spam Hashirama's techs, and go on and on about Hashirama's feats such as healing his wounds without hand signs?

 

[Jūgo1]

Madara has used a large portion of Hashirama's Mokuton Jutsu against his battle with the Kages, and not to mention that Hashirama's power has made Madara really formidable.

If Hashirama wasn't so powerful like you say then...

- Why did Orochimaru spend all of that time trying to intergrate Hashirama's cells into infants for experiments? (Result Yamato)

- Why does Danzo have Hashirama's DNA?

- Why does Obito/Tobi have Hashirama's DNA?

- Why does Madara spam Hashirama's techs, and go on and on about Hashirama's feats such as healing his wounds without hand signs?

I dont like your sig, whys sasuke have a blue eye, and rasagen? AND Hashirama was amazingly strong, he was the god of shinobi (Totally with you on that mostly just wanted to help, and comment bout ur sig )

 

[Navado]

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Oh cuz hashi already beat a rinnegan user right? And of course he knows the 6 paths and how to seal edos. Okay il give the kage high school reunion squad 2 chapter

 

[NOemotions]

Hashirama won't even need to use jutsu. He enters the battlefield, looks Madara in the eye, and Madara throws himself in the Juubi's mouth.

haha, best theory there was --^ xd

 

[Navado]

Madara has used a large portion of Hashirama's Mokuton Jutsu against his battle with the Kages, and not to mention that Hashirama's power has made Madara really formidable.

If Hashirama wasn't so powerful like you say then...

- Why did Orochimaru spend all of that time trying to intergrate Hashirama's cells into infants for experiments? (Result Yamato)

- Why does Danzo have Hashirama's DNA?

- Why does Obito/Tobi have Hashirama's DNA?9

- Why does Madara spam Hashirama's techs, and go on and on about Hashirama's feats such as healing his wounds without hand signs?

I didnt mean hashi wasnt powerful/strong. Hes probably the second strongest (debatable) in the manga NORMALLY. I meant exactly as this forum's title implies. Madara is now stronger. And all you questions were answered in the manga.
1. Danzo needed it to spam his uchiha eyes/izanagi and to use kotoamatsukami, or however you spell it, more then once a decade

2. Lol. Obito was basically only half of his former self (pun intended) he needed to bond with zetsu to leave the cave and only did so to help rin/kakashi. It also paid further dividends when he got the rinnegan and needed to control the gedo mezzo

3. Remember madara didnt always have this power and repeated that he wanted to test his new body/he was just messing around. And whem he got serious what did be use? What was he using against the alliance initially. Also even tobi said that madara admired hashi before the vote. Who would you remember. The. A fighter that almost killed you or someone you know you destroy easily?

 

[NOemotions]

Yes, people seems to downplay the power of the Rinnegan

yup, alot, afterall it's strongest dojutsu there is. maybe that's why hating.

 

[BREAKD]

since nobody knows how the past battle of hashi and madara went, people should really just stop assuming
that hashi fodderizes madara or visa versa.
Just have patience, the story wilL be pointed out and then you can feel free to discus and come up with strong
fact based arguments into wether hashi owns madara or madara owns hashi.

 

[Navado]

it's only logical that MAD is stronger
rinnegan+moukuton+ems Madara+unlimited chakra+edo body+juubi

vs
Hashirama+unlimited chakra+edo body

Finally some sense! And what is that pic of. Looks crazy

 

[binderr]

Look Madara is not experienced with rinnegan like nagato was. Nor is he with mokuton like hashi is. Madaras best tech is his ems (most notably ps) which hashi already defeated.

 

[shisuimirage42]

i hope that fanboys know that madara isnt "madara+nagato+hashirama". he has gained a portion of hashiramas strength and preta path. both of these are weaker than the mokujin.

only preta path? u got proof

remember when yamato got taken tobi said he could easily use the rinnegan to extract all the info he needed? u gonna tell me both tobi and madara limited to one power? lmao and the rinnegan nagato had was originally madara's to begin with.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Madara wins,

Madara= Hashi powers+Mokuton+Ems+Sharingan+Rinnegan+edo form+more developped intelligent >>>>>>>> Edo Hashi+Mokuton

 

[TheSages456]

only preta path? u got proof

remember when yamato got taken tobi said he could easily use the rinnegan to extract all the info he needed? u gonna tell me both tobi and madara limited to one power? lmao and the rinnegan nagato had was originally madara's to begin with.

can you show feats from madara supporting your stance or are you just talking out of your ass?

 

[Jukain]

i couldve sworn that hashirama is fighting a kyuubi/susano combo in the flashback and is winning. why do people act like the kyuubi isnt even there and as we see the wood dragon didnt instantly restrain the kyuubi and make it a nonfactor. madara is protecting it with susano.

madaras newly obtained techs are below PS. anything below PS(madaras mokuton, rinnegan) is without a doubt within hashiramas power to defeat.

Rinnengan is better than perfect susanoo buddy. I still highly doubt Hashi can take Madara in his current state.

 

[KidGamer65]

Rinnengan is better than perfect susanoo buddy. I still highly doubt Hashi can take Madara in his current state.

Not really, no Rinnegan tech can cause major damage to Perfect Susanoo except maybe Chibaku Tensei, but the core could be destroyed via multiple sword slashes. Any other attack is easily tanked.

 

[Jukain]

Not really, no Rinnegan tech can cause major damage to Perfect Susanoo except maybe Chibaku Tensei, but the core could be destroyed via multiple sword slashes. Any other attack is easily tanked.

When Rinnengan is used along with Susanoo the attacks are amplified, just like when he brought down the meteor. So yes Madara getting Rinnengan spells Hashis downfall.

Also preta path can absorb PS and Chou Shinra tensei would probably blast perfect susanoo away.
So rinnengan is more useful than PS

 

[KidGamer65]

When Rinnengan is used along with Susanoo the attacks are amplified, just like when he brought down the meteor. So yes Madara getting Rinnengan spells Hashis downfall.

Also preta path can absorb PS and Chou Shinra tensei would probably blast perfect susanoo away.
So rinnengan is more useful than PS

Not all Rinnegan techs have been shown to be amplified, only BT. I don't see how that automatically spells his downfall. Especially when Hashirama can counter most of the Rinnegan techs anyway.

Preta Path is a tactic many have mentioned but it is completely ridiculous to think a Preta Path user is going to stand right next to PS to try and absorb it when 1 Sword Slash Shockwave will kill them. Chou Shinra Tensei is effortlessly tanked by PS.

 

[Jukain]

Not all Rinnegan techs have been shown to be amplified, only BT. I don't see how that automatically spells his downfall. Especially when Hashirama can counter most of the Rinnegan techs anyway.

Preta Path is a tactic many have mentioned but it is completely ridiculous to think a Preta Path user is going to stand right next to PS to try and absorb it when 1 Sword Slash Shockwave will kill them. Chou Shinra Tensei is effortlessly tanked by PS.

First off it must take a ridculous amount of chakara to keep ps, so i doubt he would be able to sustain it for long. While Rinnegan is always there. Only BT has been shown to be amplified, so we can assume ST is as well.
And you saying PS tanks it effortlessly is completley basless.

Also preta path would absorb the wood, so Hashi cant do much against Madara.