Edo Itachi vs Edo Bm Minato

[Rikudou Tobi]

No point in dwelling in it then.

Okay.

Why would you introduce a scenario with living Minato and Itachi and change it halfway through to what this was originally about. This completely changes the whole scope of the discussion.

Not necessarily. That point I was trying to make was on how many shadow clones Minato can produce when alive and dead. If he's using other jutsus along with shadow clone as edo bm naruto he's limited to one shadow clone. If he's alive, he can't make any because his chakra isn't unlimited and levels aren't high enough "on paper."
We can't assume the rest.

Since this is EdoItachi, then true enough, but I beg to disagree on the Minato part. He had to time it so he'd intercept, and physically touch so he could teleport, the Gudoudama, but not enough where they actually hit and damage him as they were intended to do. His timing was so damn perfect, next time we see him the gudoudama are literally touching his cloak, but with no damage towards him.

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That's not what happened here especially when tsb instantly erases on contact like Madara's crescent staff did to his arm. So he wasn't erasing anything at that moment, even when he threw the orbs at Kakashi and Obito.

That's not it. You can infer Ay halted his dash after Minato teleported, which is why Bee managed to react in time. If that wasn't the case, Bee would be the fastest SHinobi, not Ay. KCM Naruto truly did surpass Ay, but Sasuke wasn't facing him at full speed like Naruto did. His hair spikes up when he's going full speed, which is not something he used against Sasuke. Neither was Itachi facing Naruto at full speed when they fought, since Naruto didn't really use his Shunshin against Itachi like he did on Ay.

We are talking about reaction time, not linear speed. The argument that you made is that minato was able to throw his knife before Ay reached him top speed. The same hand movement speed it took to react to Ay's punch is the same movement speed it took Minato to try and pierce Ay's back, which Bee intercepted. Also Ay did use top speed against MS Sasuke.

Because what you are arguing now is ftg speed and not reaction speed. Which Tsukyomi us used to deal with that since genjutsus are casted instantly.

And you can see Ay traveling towards Minato which gave him time to react before hand.

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That's completely different. Sasuke literally made a speech about how he was gonna "strike Itachi down with thunder" before he used Kirin, Ay just rushed at Minato straight on.

If you look at the scan above, you'd see that Ay and Minato made visual contact before Ay charged his lighting style armour at top speed before charging at Minato. Did the same thing to Ms Sasuke too.

Well, if this is Edo Minato, the shuriken argument is completely pointless. He could just pull up the head of Kurama's avatar and it would literally protect him from any shuriken Itachi can throw. Or just let the kunai hit him. What are they even gonna do, he'd just heal in seconds.

Edo minato doesn't have healing properties from kurama, only edo tensei body. Transforming into kurama cloak makes him slower and unable to use ftg which Itachi can just Totsukya him immediately and end things much faster. He also can't let what he can't see hit him, if he gets hit with that knife in the vital spot he will suffer. Bee showed this when he engaged to taunt minato in mutual striking. He wouldn't even be able to use a chakra arm because he can't see it coming.
Healing properties is a naruto feat alone, even when Naruto got stabbed by a sword in Bm in the Shin arc it still took naruto some time to heal that minor wound.

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So even if you give minato kurama's life energy healing abilities (which he doesn't) getting hit will take him time to heal and enough time for Itachi to finish him off with even totsuyka or tsukyomi, even a simple genjutsu will do.

There is though something to be said about Itachi being a slave to Totsuka. To win this fight, one would have to seal the other away. Minato is a seal master, so even if he didn't show it, he logically has some method of sealing Itachi away other than the Dead Demon Consuming Seal. Otherwise, this wouldn't even be an argument. Itachi though would have to seal him away with Totsuka. He's not specialized in Fuinjutsu, so that's his only option. Its a rather slow method of attack, and he can't really pin the speedster Minato down with Genjutsu as long as there's a clone around, which is not a problem anymore since Edo Tensei, and Amaterasu can be sealed away just like Jiraiya did if not outright dodged, so already Itachi has a massive disadvantage down on him. Just worth pointing out.

Minato is not a sealing master, he learned one trick from Kushina in which dead demon consuming seal takes way to much time and Itachi's totsukya is way faster. And he doesn't pin down with a genjutsu, tsukyomi automatically kills people by breaking their spirit. And it's not like Minato has a sharingan to resist either.
Minato cannot use jiraiya's fire sealing methods and you're just handing out false abilities to minato just to help him win. To result to that you know minato has no chance of winning.
I already address the clone issue, he took out naruto's two shadow clones with two knives so one clone won't kill him. And if Itachi wants to play with clowns, he can make crow clones himself to entertain the idea. Given the fact that Itachi's genjutsu can reach even outside the sensors range, minato trying to sense any incoming threat and genjutsu is just not likely to happen at all.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

You are absolutely right. Grammar doesn't matter at all....except maybe if you think yourself to be some hot shit around here, and keep talking about how great you are, posing as your own hype man and constantly validating your own imaginary victories over some opponent who only wants to see how far you will go to try and piss him off while humiliating yourself by pushing you forward with his overly sarcastic remarks until he eventually gets tired of you and disappears, leaving you posting alone in your own thread in an effort to achieve some Hot status as if that proved anything...but that's a HIGHLY specific scenario, you're just too humble for that, aren't you? No, that's not you at all. Come on, continue trying to validate yourself for people who don't know nor care about you, it makes you look REALLY cool...

Lmao you know why that whole post fails because youre still here...

Simple yet effective

You are nothing but a pawn in this thread im literally using you. You are no challenge in this debate so think about what you're benefiting then

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Lmao he had to say something and leave such q baby and coward lmao anywho back to business

You minato faptards

This is the main reason and only reason why Minato loses. Because he hasnt fought anybody he never beat anybody worth anything but a kid obito everybody else are literal no name fodder.

Its like me 24 yrs old beating up a bunch of 10 yr olds does that mean im a great fighter hell no that means i havent fought anybody of skill or worth a challenge that's why minato is all hype

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

All these jutsu and abilities minato has are so great you all say yet these skills havent beaten anybody literally never beaten a jonin ranked shinobi or kage or s ranked. He literally beat 1 good shinobi EVER his whole life and that was a pre teen lmao minato aint nothing but the biggest hype job

 

[Guntah]

Lmao you know why that whole post fails because youre still here...

Simple yet effective

You are nothing but a pawn in this thread im literally using you. You are no challenge in this debate so think about what you're benefiting then

Indeed. I get to see you continue playing the part of an overconfident idiot for my amusement, you get another Hot thread in a dying forum.

Everybody wins.

 

[Hit The Legendary Assassi]

Indeed. I get to see you continue playing the part of an overconfident idiot for my amusement, you get another Hot thread in a dying forum.

Everybody wins.

You're still here....je loses the original debate starts a off topic and loses that now tries to play the i dont care about the forum role lmao we all see the butthurt fam

The realest shit you will ever here in your life....you cant be real with nobody until you're real with yourself

I gotta go im bout to watch Power and Game of Thrones with my *****...

Learn life kid

 

[Guntah]

You're still here....je loses the original debate starts a off topic and loses that now tries to play the i dont care about the forum role lmao we all see the butthurt fam

Never said I didn't care. Its a dying forum, but that what makes it great. People here just say the stupidest shit. Ergo we have your so kindly yet unintentional offered example.

The realest shit you will ever here in your life....you cant be real with nobody until you're real with yourself

Boy, Shakespear himself would be jealous.

 

[enditallsin]

Lmao he big mad

Fail again ima kill this post off multiple ways first the lite way

Who did we see in the manga first itachi or minato? Itachi it doesnt matter if minato is older thus allowing us to know he existed before itachi what matters is the prominence and importance of characters to the manga and itachi was shown several times before minato was ever written about and even after minato first screen time lmao which was his actual last alive screen time itachi still undoubtedly matched the two main protagonist of the series in importance to the manga up until his death.

Now for the body bag you say Minato allowed the manga to progress lmao nice try but you forget konoha had many shinobi on the battlefield fighting the kyuubi and hiruzen was still alive as well and he can perform reaper death seal just like minato so minato actually wasnt needed at all to defeat the kyuubi...also it takes a 3 tomoe sharingan user of considerable skill to control the kyuubi and yes fugaku was there and he had considerable skill considering he was a hokage candidate like minato so hiruzen and fugaku could have saved konoha from the kyuubi.


Also obito never was trying to target shinobi in the world village he just wanted to let the kyuubi do the work nobody i mentioned actually would have to fight him


So minato didnt do shit other shinobi couldnt do

Come on punk. Ill play with you..

Everything you just said doesn't mean jack shit, because itachi was in the village the same day that obito, and kurama attacked,therefore if minato hadn't been their to play captain save a hoe itachi would have been left a little homo smear all over his mother's fine china. itachi couldn't even do one important thing unless he had the assistance of characters who were stronger than him. Minato was taking on more powerful characters single handily

LMAO! Sarutobi doesn't have a summoning strong enough to combat kurama, nor does that old piece of shit of a man even have a technique capable of stopping a TTB,their was no one in the village capable challenging the power of kurama but minato,and even if sarutobi could have done something about kurama that old farts neck would have been snapped along with fugakus at the hands of obito for interfering who neither one of them stood a chance against LOL! Minato defeated both in the same day. In pretty good timing i might add.

So to make sure the message get's across clear i'll say it once more for you. Not only did minato match a stronger antagonist than itachi's ever fought in his life, minato actually beat him AND his pet all in the same day. Minato's skill are so unimaginably high in comparisons to itachi's that the last time he was even damaged in battle beside's the kurama incident was in the war combating not one but two juubei jin's. And still he's the only hokage on the battlefield that not only didn't get killed once but he never immobilized despite the fact he was also fighting the rinnegan unlike hashirama and tobirama did. You just fail. I'm so about to shut this thread down,and put your headless body and remains on display.

Lol fugaku and sarutobi were such small fries that obito didn't even take the time to approach these losers directly. Minato was the only their worth direct confrontation. You know why? Because he was the only one their who posed a serious threat to his plans. You can't point out one challenge that itachi's inbred doug dynasty ***** ass has ever been in,in his life that was comparable to minato's challenges.

And speaking of which. Do you not realize had minato survived the kurama/obito attack obito would have been killed,and took out of the equation, because the fact that the FTG seal never disappears? Which means their would have been no forth great ninja war, which means their would have been no revival of madara, which means no one would have been around to influence no instruct nagato, which means their would have been no retrieval of the the tailed beast, which means no infinte tsukiyomi, which means no kaguya. But even without all of that minato's made more of a difference than itachi has on his best day,and he doesn't even have a bloodline trait lol. You lose...

And by the way did you forget that most of the shinobi in the forth great ninja war had SEALING SCROLLS? Their was plenty of way's to rid the battlefield of the edo's, So in other words itachi's action's were not only shit special,but his sorry wannabe batman ass was never needed in first place once again proving to be the useless **** he's always been.

Itachi's getting outclassed hardcore, I know you're mad lol!. Get rekt!

I'll kill any itachi fan here. Come on out boys..

 

[Guntah]

Minato is not a sealing master, he learned one trick from Kushina in which dead demon consuming seal takes way to much time and Itachi's totsukya is way faster. And he doesn't pin down with a genjutsu, tsukyomi automatically kills people by breaking their spirit. And it's not like Minato has a sharingan to resist either.
Minato cannot use jiraiya's fire sealing methods and you're just handing out false abilities to minato just to help him win. To result to that you know minato has no chance of winning.
I already address the clone issue, he took out naruto's two shadow clones with two knives so one clone won't kill him. And if Itachi wants to play with clowns, he can make crow clones himself to entertain the idea. Given the fact that Itachi's genjutsu can reach even outside the sensors range, minato trying to sense any incoming threat and genjutsu is just not likely to happen at all.

Well, then this whole discussion is f*cking pointless, isn't it? Nevermind what else I was writting, Minato would just use the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and both would die period.

I'm not giving Minato fake feats, I'm making a logical assumption so this discussion can even happen. If Minato can't seal Itachi in any other way and the one way he can is pretty much unblockable, what are we even talking here for. This was just a massive waste of time.

 

[LightSo6p]

...I'm speechless. This guy is actually trying to dictate what me and someone else should debate simply because he's started this discussion. The people in this site never fail to amaze me.

I wish you could of seen how hard I laughed when I read this... lmao

 

[FlyingRaijinLVL2]

...This question is as old as the base itself.

[video=youtube;s1NRWItAN8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NRWItAN8c&ab_channel=SamyulDavis[/video]

Good video, dropped a like.

 

[salamander uchiha]

This isn't even funny Itachi solos low difficulty.
People think Minato is fast but Bee reacted to ftg Minato's instant transmission in base form both times. Itachi's speed is leagues above Bee's. Itachi's instant Tsukiyomi (kakashi fight) + solo sword solo Minato BM. Beast ball get fodderised by yata's mirror. Minato has 0 sealing jutsu he can use against Itachi yet Itachi can seal him.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Well, then this whole discussion is f*cking pointless, isn't it? Nevermind what else I was writting, Minato would just use the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and both would die period.

I'm not giving Minato fake feats, I'm making a logical assumption so this discussion can even happen. If Minato can't seal Itachi in any other way and the one way he can is pretty much unblockable, what are we even talking here for. This was just a massive waste of time.

Dead people can't use dead demon seal.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Ah the classics. Its a stalemate. Minato is still stronger but he has no moves to stop a regenerate zombie with infinite chakra hat has an arsenal like Itachi. Itachi can't hit Minato whatsoever but Minato's "killing blows" will be futile as Itachi will regenerate. Unless Minato aims for a draw with Reaper Death Seal, the fight will last forever.

I'd give to Minato overall as he cant even be hit by Itachi and will be the one the get the hits in.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

No hypocrisy at all. I stated i was pro itachi in the op and i listed minato paths to victory based on manga feats only not hype and he wins his battles with ftg blitzes and combos with other jutsus and i listed itachi counter to minato common clear path to victory

Everything in that video is backed up with facts from the databook and speculation from the manga. Trust me, you haven't just cracked this ancient VS match-up first time round. You'd do well to listen to others and not just immediately assume yours is correct. I can prove the opposite using 'manga facts' for instance.

Edit: Oh dw, reread back in the thread. You're just a drip, my mistake.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Lmao he had to say something and leave such q baby and coward lmao anywho back to business
You Minato faptards

Oops, you revealed yourself as a biased Itachi fan.

Exposure in the manga doesn't mean sh*t. Minato was dead before the series began whilst Itachi was young. Of course Itachi is going to be featured more prominently in Shippuden's events. Bs logic.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Ah the classics. Its a stalemate. Minato is still stronger but he has no moves to stop a regenerate zombie with infinite chakra hat has an arsenal like Itachi. Itachi can't hit Minato whatsoever but Minato's "killing blows" will be futile as Itachi will regenerate. Unless Minato aims for a draw with Reaper Death Seal, the fight will last forever.

I'd give to Minato overall as he cant even be hit by Itachi and will be the one the get the hits in.

Bee reacts to ftg in base and Itachi is faster than Bee. Hitting Minato with solo stare followed by any tech is easy for Itachi sama.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Bee reacts to ftg in base and Itachi is faster than Bee. Hitting Minato with solo stare followed by any tech is easy for Itachi sama.

So if your fighting someone, and someone else on sitting by watching comes in and blocks you, that means they can react faster than you right?

 

[Ababeel]

Minato fodderstomps.

 

[salamander uchiha]

So if your fighting someone, and someone else on sitting by watching comes in and blocks you, that means they can react faster than you right?

Yes, considering the distance between Bee, Minato and Ay
Minato's attack is supposedly instant transition to the kunai not to mention his surprise attack on Bee using ftg to which B reacted and was ready to kill Minato.