Edo Itachi(TRE) Vs SM Naruto(Kratos)
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Which is stupid of you to to even bring it up, because Amaterasu or any other projectiles can still be sensed after closing eyes.
This point is moot af since Kabuto had no problem dodging a faster attack, like Susanoo arrow. Kabuto didn't dodge them because magtamas weren't aimed at him. They served as mere distraction for sasuke to land his susanoo arrow
You are right about the dust cloud part, and I will correct my side. Overall dust cloud would confuse itachi even more along with the plethora of Naruto's clones. It still is dust, and if you don't cover your eyes you can get your vision impaired due to dust going into your eyes.
Which is absolutely wrong. The Naruto that dodged raikage was one of Naruto's 12 clones. Most of these 12 clones were using KCM, which Naruto had to give them more chakra, as Kyuubi was sucking his chakra. Obviously as more chakra you have the more natural chakra you can gather, and the bigger your boost will be.
foh with that garbage
As explained above it was a feat from a clone of Naruto. whole of a lot difference between Naruto himself using SM than a clone
Not that it matters though, since Naruto's reaction speed easily shit on anything this Sasuke has shown. Or even the Sasuke that fought raikage. Itachi still has no answer to frog kata in CQC. He can't counter what he can't see.
This is also easily countered by multiple SM clones attacking Itachi in cqc.
You once again your tremendous reading skills by thinking frog kata and a kick are the same thing. A kick is a kick, while frog kata is used to hit the target with natural energy. Itachi dodged a punch from Naruto, then he's caught with frog kata, which Itachi can't see.
This is all he needs for Itachi in cqc. He can counter Itachi's strikes at the last second, and with frog kata, it's a sure hit.
Blind Madara>>Itachi in speed, so don't bring that garbage here
Wank is real. Kabuto was only caught because he was distracted in the first place, and had no idea that Itachi had made a crow clone. We've seen Kabuto humiliating Itachi in cqc, so drop the dogshit.
Also about Minato comparison, Naruto isn't using shunshin all the time in his fights. Naruto himself said it. SM is better for cqc.
I already addressed genjutsu.
Katon gets shat on by P. Itachi's katon is speed is garbage. Kakashi was dodging that left and right.
The only reason amaterasu was torching a part of the forest is that it was spreading to different trees. Each burst of Amaterasu was this big
When it hit Sasuke
As I said the only reason it even got that big was because amaterasu was spreading around.
If Itachi wans to use a big one, he'd at max get 10 clones.
Amaterasu solution to clones would come down to who can spam his technique, which it goes to Naruto, hands down.
4 small magtamas won't hit Naruto at all. lmao faster than susanoo arrow. Gaara and Onoki could pull up two layer of defense before magramas reached them. FOH with that shit.
FRS is doable when Naruto jumps into air. While Itachi is distracted, Naruto jumps about with a couple of clones, and makes a huge frs.
FRS cutting mountains
As I said before, Totsuka's feats are questionable. Already explained why, so go read them again.
Lma this clown gave Sasuke's enton feats to Itachi. Fact number 1: Itachi can't use enton. Which is what Sasuke did to spread amaterasu.
Itachi can only keep higher version of susanoo for so long. He'd know that he has to keep up higher versions of susanoo if he wants to survive a CFRS. It's a game of attrition once yata comes out, which Narut easily takes.
One more thing is that when complete susanoo comes out, Naruto summons his 4 boss summons. Gamabunta, Gamakichi and the other two. Gamakichi was grown up during the war, so he'll be grown up here as well. Naruto would simply sits back and watch Itachi to deal with boss summons. Itachi would need to keep up susanoo to protect himself, while he'd use amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, to take out the toads. Amaterasu simply poofs the ignited toad out, so no action is required here. Once a toad is caughtin tsukoyomi, Naruto simply cancels the summon, and laughs at Itachi for futile genjutsu attemps. He'd have a tremendous amount of pain from using Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, and susanoo just to get rid of the toads. Naruto can take this time to charge his huge FRS to obliterate a tired Itachi.
Itachi ain't dodging this
This will obliterate any version of susanoo
Naruto can use my toad summoning strategy at the beginning of the fight to tire itachi out fast, making him use his three MS techniques in a short interval.
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Regeneration and taking damage is as irrelevant as it can be in this topic, when Naruto's feats against 3rd raikage is more than enough to let him dodge magtamas effortlessly.
A shit ton of clones are between Itachi and Ma and Pa when they are summoned. Itachi is busy dealing with clones, and has no time to think about Ma and Pa. Ma and Pa are also informed about Itachi's genjutsu proficiency the moment they are summoned. Naruto will tell them to not look.
You are right about the dust cloud part, and I will correct my side. Overall dust cloud would confuse itachi even more along with the plethora of Naruto's clones. It still is dust, and if you don't cover your eyes you can get your vision impaired due to dust going into your eyes.
Which is absolutely wrong. The Naruto that dodged raikage was one of Naruto's 12 clones. Most of these 12 clones were using KCM, which Naruto had to give them more chakra, as Kyuubi was sucking his chakra. Obviously as more chakra you have the more natural chakra you can gather, and the bigger your boost will be.
Naruto barely dodged 3rd raikage? lmao Naruto basically shat on third raikage. Not only Naruto was a clone, his statement means that he'd have no problem dodging third raikage at any given moment.
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foh with that garbage
As explained above it was a feat from a clone of Naruto. whole of a lot difference between Naruto himself using SM than a clone
Good job comparing the performance of an unhealthy Sasuke to Itachi
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Not that it matters though, since Naruto's reaction speed easily shit on anything this Sasuke has shown. Or even the Sasuke that fought raikage. Itachi still has no answer to frog kata in CQC. He can't counter what he can't see.
Answered why it is wrong. Healthy Sasuke already dodged an attack faster than base Bee's 8 sword style.
Completely shitted on this horrible argument
Proved garbage and moot above.
Which is absolutely stupid to even bring this scan here. You really think just beause Danzo, with absolute horrendous reaction feats, was caught, would mean the same thing for Naruto? :lol
This is also easily countered by multiple SM clones attacking Itachi in cqc.
You once again your tremendous reading skills by thinking frog kata and a kick are the same thing. A kick is a kick, while frog kata is used to hit the target with natural energy. Itachi dodged a punch from Naruto, then he's caught with frog kata, which Itachi can't see.
This is most retarded thing you've said. Itachi would close his eyes to use amaterasu, when he's neck deep in trying to dodge Naruto's attacks? smh
Shitted on it already
Naruto literally spells it out for you
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This is all he needs for Itachi in cqc. He can counter Itachi's strikes at the last second, and with frog kata, it's a sure hit.
Blind Madara>>Itachi in speed, so don't bring that garbage here
Wank is real. Kabuto was only caught because he was distracted in the first place, and had no idea that Itachi had made a crow clone. We've seen Kabuto humiliating Itachi in cqc, so drop the dogshit.
Also about Minato comparison, Naruto isn't using shunshin all the time in his fights. Naruto himself said it. SM is better for cqc.
I already addressed genjutsu.
Katon gets shat on by P. Itachi's katon is speed is garbage. Kakashi was dodging that left and right.
The only reason amaterasu was torching a part of the forest is that it was spreading to different trees. Each burst of Amaterasu was this big
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When it hit Sasuke
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As I said the only reason it even got that big was because amaterasu was spreading around.
If Itachi wans to use a big one, he'd at max get 10 clones.
Amaterasu solution to clones would come down to who can spam his technique, which it goes to Naruto, hands down.
4 small magtamas won't hit Naruto at all. lmao faster than susanoo arrow. Gaara and Onoki could pull up two layer of defense before magramas reached them. FOH with that shit.
FRS is doable when Naruto jumps into air. While Itachi is distracted, Naruto jumps about with a couple of clones, and makes a huge frs.
FRS cutting mountains
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As I said before, Totsuka's feats are questionable. Already explained why, so go read them again.
Lma this clown gave Sasuke's enton feats to Itachi. Fact number 1: Itachi can't use enton. Which is what Sasuke did to spread amaterasu.
Itachi can only keep higher version of susanoo for so long. He'd know that he has to keep up higher versions of susanoo if he wants to survive a CFRS. It's a game of attrition once yata comes out, which Narut easily takes.
One more thing is that when complete susanoo comes out, Naruto summons his 4 boss summons. Gamabunta, Gamakichi and the other two. Gamakichi was grown up during the war, so he'll be grown up here as well. Naruto would simply sits back and watch Itachi to deal with boss summons. Itachi would need to keep up susanoo to protect himself, while he'd use amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, to take out the toads. Amaterasu simply poofs the ignited toad out, so no action is required here. Once a toad is caughtin tsukoyomi, Naruto simply cancels the summon, and laughs at Itachi for futile genjutsu attemps. He'd have a tremendous amount of pain from using Amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, and susanoo just to get rid of the toads. Naruto can take this time to charge his huge FRS to obliterate a tired Itachi.
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This will obliterate any version of susanoo
Naruto can use my toad summoning strategy at the beginning of the fight to tire itachi out fast, making him use his three MS techniques in a short interval.
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Naruto with his eyes closed isn't dodging Amaterasu nor is he dodging 4 Magatama's. Unless you can provide some proof which im positive you can't so drop that piss poor claim. Naruto closes his eyes and gets whacked or torched which ever one suffices. Since when did was a Susanoo arrow faster than Magatama's? All their projectiles were right next to each other once they were air born[
Ehh nope. Large scale Amaterasu takes out clones as i've stated multiple times[
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] Then there's the Bijuudama and Sasuke Susanoo matching each other in speed here also[
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] Don't even try and use that terrible logic that Kurama tbb is faster than Hachibi's when this scan completely disagree's with that[
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]. So you completely wrong stating that a Susanoo arrow is faster than Magatama's. Kabuto only dodged a Susanoo arrow due to him hiding behide rocks inside the cave and you point out yourself that Uchiha can't even see Senjutsu so accurately hitting Kabuto wasn't going to happen. So once Naruto underrates the Magatama's speed like your suggesting he gets creamed for an easy win for Itachi. SM Naruto is never dodging Magatama's effortlessly. 3tomoe Kakashi who is just as fast if not faster than 3tomoe Sasuke(He also dodged and counter attacked a Raikage v1 to be exact) Yet Kakashi resorted to using Kamui because he couldn't dodge Susanoo arrows[
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] Since Magatama's and Susanoo arrow are the same in speed this can be replicated. Not only that but Itachi has shown to shoot 4 Magatama's at once[
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]. Naruto isn't dodging it buddy give it up. Best feat is dodging the 3rd Raikage. This guy manage to jump in the way and protect Naruto from a 3rd Raikage blitz[
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] stop overrating his speed just because he reacted to a v1 Raikage. Ehh nope. Large scale Amaterasu takes out clones as i've stated multiple times[
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] Itachi has also shown the feat to cast Anaterasu in 2 close area's at once[
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]. Those are also medium sized variants of Amaterasu considering how small Naruto is compared to the flames. Once dust cloud is up Itachi just randomly starts swinging Totsuka through the dust it will either hit Naruto or cause him to retreat from the dust cloud. L00l Itachi won't have to worry about getting dust in his eyes when his Susanoo will be up.
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Does it matter if it was a shadow clone or not? When has Naruto clone shown lesser speed feats than Naruto himself? They haven't so put that to rest. So your implying that the SM Naruto clone was slower because he couldn't gather as much Natural energy? Smh all i ask is based form what exactly? Baseless claims will go no where. ''Not only Naruto was a clone, his statement means that he'd have no problem dodging third raikage at any given moment'' Naruto says he can dodge at the last moment so that means he can dodge the Raikage at any moment? Smh just stop with the rubbish struggle arguments for his speed. The #1 fact still remains is that 3tomoe Sasuke is on the same calibur as SM Naruto when it comes to speed. Blind Itachi didn't have a problem with 3tomoe Sasuke in a taijutsu battle then he latter showed his superiority over Sasuke in cqc while fighting KM Naruto and Killer bee. Please give me examples of SM Naruto clones being inferior to Naruto himself while using SM? Terrible scan example honesty. Jugo was referring to him using Amaterasu then there's the fact that Sasuke didn't complain about his health not once during their scrimmages. ''Naruto's reaction speed easily shit on anything this Sasuke has shown'' How is this true when their both greatest speed feat was dodging and counter attacking a v1 Raikage? How please go ahead and explain ill wait... ''Completely shitted on this horrible argument'' So 3tomoe Sasuke isn't on par with SM Naruto? Smh Kishi made it a point about SM Naruto dodging the Raikage if it was something he could do so casually the entire chapter wouldn't have been built up for that moment. Sasuke def on par with SM Naruto in speed stop denying the obvious. Also i already mention Susanoo rib-cage completely shits on the frog kata arguments.
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Danzo reaction may not be as good as an SM user but it isn't bad at all. He did managed to keep up with Sasuke in cqc which is something Deidara didn't want to do[
Please elaborate when and where you shitted on any of my post ill wait... When and were did Kabuto embarrass Itachi in cqc? He never did stop reaching. Im tired of you bringing frog Kata up it's super irrelevant here. He isn't dodging Susanoo attacks while being right in-front of Itachi's face so get out of here with that BS. Yes sm is better for cqc depending on the opponent. If it had been Ei vs SM Naruto there would be no SM Naruto since he isn't dodging his full speed. You should know by now Naruto is all about match-ups.
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] Deidara did managed to fend off team Gai with one arm[
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] So Danzo speed and reaction isn't bad at all. Doesn't matter how many SM clones are engaging him. While he has a rib-cage up they can't even get hits off since anything they have will be tanked. They try to surround him and they get swatted[
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] ''You once again your tremendous reading skills by thinking frog kata and a kick are the same thing. A kick is a kick,'' See this is why your losing the debate now; focusing your time trying to insult me instead of thinking up better arguments to save your ass. I was just exploiting that SM Naruto speed in cqc isn't going to overwhelm nor blitz Itachi never did i state frog Kata was the same as kicks etc so im laughing at your desperate attempt to prove i have terrible reading comp. Rib-cage completely nullifies frog kata as it's going to be tanked once tanked Naruto gets pounded into the ground. ''Itachi would close his eyes to use amaterasu, when he's neck deep in trying to dodge Naruto's attacks?'' When did i say this? Clones are irrelevant when his rib-cage can and will protect him from their offense.Please elaborate when and where you shitted on any of my post ill wait... When and were did Kabuto embarrass Itachi in cqc? He never did stop reaching. Im tired of you bringing frog Kata up it's super irrelevant here. He isn't dodging Susanoo attacks while being right in-front of Itachi's face so get out of here with that BS. Yes sm is better for cqc depending on the opponent. If it had been Ei vs SM Naruto there would be no SM Naruto since he isn't dodging his full speed. You should know by now Naruto is all about match-ups.
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Danzo pulled a tree out of his body before a Susanoo arrow could hit[
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] Yet when he tried to dodge it he was stuck down easily[
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] I think it's fair to say putting up a defense is far easier than dodging so you fail with that rubbish argument. Those were mountains? Bruh just stop before i reach through my computer screen and slap you myself. These are mountains[
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] the struggle is very real. Itachi simply uses a clones and it jumps up higher in his Susanoo and uses Amaterasu to one shot Naruto while he's airborn just like how Sasuke did to Danzo[
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]. ''Lma this clown gave Sasuke's enton feats to Itachi. Fact number 1: Itachi can't use enton. Which is what Sasuke did to spread amaterasu.'' Sasuke used enton smh? No he spent around clearly Kishi even put emphasis on him swirling his head[
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] Also didn't Itachi do the same feat when he dragged Amaterasu across the Uchiha hideout[
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] stop with the non-sense it's pretty much over with for you. CFRS is never getting off he'll almost never need to keep up a v3 or v4 Susanoo while going against SM Naruto period. '' Naruto would simply sits back and watch Itachi to deal with boss summons. Itachi would need to keep up susanoo to protect himself, while he'd use amaterasu, Tsukoyomi, to take out the toads.'' BRUH!. Not even basic genjutsu takes out frogs the moment they enter the BF. Crow genjutsu takes them out even easier since they'll be plenty crows[
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] Itachi will never waste his chakra on boss toads when 3tomoe genjutsu owns them and crow genjutsu owns them. Huge frs takes to long Amaterasu ignites it before it can even be fully done charging or Magatama's come flying his way to disrupt the chakra build up.
Dodging it? Itachi won't ever be hit by that considering the charge up time so it's irrelevant. Never going to use MS techs to fight off boss toads when 3tomoe genjutsu one shots them. Pain danced around them low difficulty. So wait what strategy are you going to use? Either use a huge amount on clones or boss toads? Both have been countered. So im getting confused on your strategies since there overlapping each other.
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We need some judges for this.
Tre, I might post tonight. I'm not gonna sleep for a while, so I might as well finish this cancerous debate.
Tre, I might post tonight. I'm not gonna sleep for a while, so I might as well finish this cancerous debate.
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SMH, if this guy could even read. It's over though
You've yet to tell me what's the difference between Naruto countering Amaterasu or magtamas with his eyes closed, than his eyes being open. They all get sensed the same. And countered the same. Itachi pulls susanoo to throw magtamas? Naruto senses the attack coming. Itachi builds up chakra for Amaterasu? Naruto senses it coming.
Magtamas being blocked by big ass statues of sand and stone
SM Naruto>Gaara and Onoki in reaction speed
The scan you posted literally slaps you in the face. It shows you the speed difference between Kurama and Hachibi. By the time it took Hachibi to make 4 TBBs, Kurama made 5. Then again you're comparing Itachi's magtamas' speed, to a Senjutsu enhanced TBB and a curse mark enhanced Susanoo arrow. These attacks became faster because of Senjutsu enhancements. Third grade students can see the difference shown in the manga. Therefore your dogshit argument of Magtamas landing a hit on Naruto is proven even more of a dogshit than it was.
Look at the angle between Kabuto and Sasuke
No stones in between. Kabuto's and Sasuke's words also say that Kabuto's dodging ability wasn't affected by anything other than sage sensing.
By your logic magtamas are as fast as FRS since they were shown next to each other.
This above sentence isn't my counter, but your top notch interpretation of manga scans.
And guess what? Naruto can easily dodge a frs. Hence Naruto easily dodges Magtamas. Pain had no problem dodging one. Third raikage dodged one from point blank range. SM Naruto's reaction speed>both Pain and Third Raikage. GG
Now you probably will come up with the stupid notion of Itachi spamming Amaterasu more than Naruto can spam clones
Itachi will end up losing all of his chakra trying to get Naruto and his clones with Amaterasu
Itachi would randomly swing totsuka? lmao I won't even address this shit. I hope judges can see why.
He'd initially would get shit in his eyes if he doesn't have susanoo up.
Only you'd say something like this. The more chakra you have, the more you can draw in natural energy, and the bigger your boost is going to be. That simple. That's why Naruto took in all that natural energy in VOTE2 to enhance himself even further. INB4 Tre Mercer asking me how VOTE 2 is relevant
Naruto says he can sense the enemy better.
Naruto then says that he can dodge at the last second. What it means? It means that SM lets Naruto to counter at the last second, which will reduce any chance of Raikage countering Naruto's strike. Naruto avoided Raikage no problem. The only reason he dodged raikage like that was to reduce any chance of raikage reacting to an immature strike from Naruto.
Why is this asstard denying clear cut statements made in manga? Goddamn, Sasuke literally says it. Jugo says Sasuke's wounds from Itachi hadn't healed yet, and Sasuke didn't deny it. Sasuke even further elaborated on the fact that he thought his fight with KB wasn't going to be hard.
Laugh worthy walls of shit is laugh worthy
Danzou got owned by kunais thrown straight at him. No trick in the thrown kunais, but Danzo was killed by them. And no, every time Danzou tried cqc with Sasuke, he got humiliated.
Frog kata comes in when Itachi isn't using susanoo. Itachi has no idea when Naruto's going to use frog kata, so he'd have to keep Susanoo up all the time just to prevent frog kata. Itachi trying to keep his distance is faced with a shit ton of frs and kunais from clones. Itachi will have to keep up susanoo up the entire fight just to survive
Kabuto would have be unscathed if not for horn. Reacting to Itachi's shunshin even with a distraction
Blitzing Itachi without a reaction
It takes a shorter amount of time for a person to turn his body, just like what Naruto will do, than to perform a technique. Let that sink in
But you're right. Itachi can do a 360 turn of body while casting Amaterasu. But it has a few flaws
1. It is very chakra taxing if he does a large scale form of that
2. Itachi literally surrounds himself with Amaterasu if he goes short range 360. A frs would make Amaterasu spread around and hit Itachi.
3. When Itachi tried to get Naruto's side, he'd actually ignite a wall of clones. He'd never reach Naruto himself.
Itachi has no time to put toads in basic genjutsu when all 4 of them are jumping on him at the same time. He'd have to use amaterasu or susanoo. These frogs are fast. They'd all jump on Itachi at the same time. Itachi wold at least waste 25% of his chakra dealing with boss toads.
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You've yet to tell me what's the difference between Naruto countering Amaterasu or magtamas with his eyes closed, than his eyes being open. They all get sensed the same. And countered the same. Itachi pulls susanoo to throw magtamas? Naruto senses the attack coming. Itachi builds up chakra for Amaterasu? Naruto senses it coming.
Time to bring out the facts again, since you deliberately ignored them in my last post
Magtamas being blocked by big ass statues of sand and stone
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SM Naruto>Gaara and Onoki in reaction speed
The scan you posted literally slaps you in the face. It shows you the speed difference between Kurama and Hachibi. By the time it took Hachibi to make 4 TBBs, Kurama made 5. Then again you're comparing Itachi's magtamas' speed, to a Senjutsu enhanced TBB and a curse mark enhanced Susanoo arrow. These attacks became faster because of Senjutsu enhancements. Third grade students can see the difference shown in the manga. Therefore your dogshit argument of Magtamas landing a hit on Naruto is proven even more of a dogshit than it was.
I don't know what you're saying here.
Look at the angle between Kabuto and Sasuke
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No stones in between. Kabuto's and Sasuke's words also say that Kabuto's dodging ability wasn't affected by anything other than sage sensing.
This is the second stupidest thing you said in this debate. Naruto knows how cunning Itachi is. He'd never take it easy until Itachi's forehead is touching the ground.
Already countered this garbage argument. When will you stop denying manga?
By your logic magtamas are as fast as FRS since they were shown next to each other.
This above sentence isn't my counter, but your top notch interpretation of manga scans.
And guess what? Naruto can easily dodge a frs. Hence Naruto easily dodges Magtamas. Pain had no problem dodging one. Third raikage dodged one from point blank range. SM Naruto's reaction speed>both Pain and Third Raikage. GG
How many clones can he take out with one burst of large scale amaterasu? 10? 20? Itachi will end up wasting his chakra on something that Naruto will have no problem making more.
Now you probably will come up with the stupid notion of Itachi spamming Amaterasu more than Naruto can spam clones
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Itachi will end up losing all of his chakra trying to get Naruto and his clones with Amaterasu
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Itachi would randomly swing totsuka? lmao I won't even address this shit. I hope judges can see why.
He'd initially would get shit in his eyes if he doesn't have susanoo up.
Only you'd say something like this. The more chakra you have, the more you can draw in natural energy, and the bigger your boost is going to be. That simple. That's why Naruto took in all that natural energy in VOTE2 to enhance himself even further. INB4 Tre Mercer asking me how VOTE 2 is relevant
Already addressed.
Wow I actually feel bad right now. How much can one misinterpret? Naruto's statement is as clear as it can be. But let me spell it out for you
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Naruto says he can sense the enemy better.
Naruto then says that he can dodge at the last second. What it means? It means that SM lets Naruto to counter at the last second, which will reduce any chance of Raikage countering Naruto's strike. Naruto avoided Raikage no problem. The only reason he dodged raikage like that was to reduce any chance of raikage reacting to an immature strike from Naruto.
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Why is this asstard denying clear cut statements made in manga? Goddamn, Sasuke literally says it. Jugo says Sasuke's wounds from Itachi hadn't healed yet, and Sasuke didn't deny it. Sasuke even further elaborated on the fact that he thought his fight with KB wasn't going to be hard.
Laugh worthy walls of shit is laugh worthy
Danzou got owned by kunais thrown straight at him. No trick in the thrown kunais, but Danzo was killed by them. And no, every time Danzou tried cqc with Sasuke, he got humiliated.
All Deidara could do was to run away and avoid them. Then there is the factor of SM Naruto being >>>>>early shippuden base Gai and his team.
Ribcage susanoo is destroyed by a FRS. A baku enhanced wind technique from Danzou tore through V2 Susanoo. Don't bring up Madara here, when he was enhanced by Kabuto with Hashi cells.
Susanoo arms and swords are effortlessly dodged by SM Naruto and his SM clones. Best feat from a susanoo arm from a susanoo on Itachi's level is Sasuke's susanoo, which he was able to catch Danzo. Naruto dodges susanoo hands. Also the moment Naruto sensed susanoo, he'd keep his distance. He'd then bombard Itachi with arrays of FRS
Frog kata comes in when Itachi isn't using susanoo. Itachi has no idea when Naruto's going to use frog kata, so he'd have to keep Susanoo up all the time just to prevent frog kata. Itachi trying to keep his distance is faced with a shit ton of frs and kunais from clones. Itachi will have to keep up susanoo up the entire fight just to survive
smh already addressed most of this.
Kabuto would have be unscathed if not for horn. Reacting to Itachi's shunshin even with a distraction
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Blitzing Itachi without a reaction
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It takes a shorter amount of time for a person to turn his body, just like what Naruto will do, than to perform a technique. Let that sink in
Look at the distance between Naruto, and then look at the trees next to those rocks, and you'll see the mountain in them.
What's next? Itachi's clone using Susanoo? He can't afford to take these kind of chances. First is that Itachi's clones can't use MS techniques. Second is that Naruto is among a sea of clones. And Itachi can't distinguish between a clone and the real one. So there is that for your hundredth shit argument.
No, you see Sasuke casting Amaterasu, then manipulating it with his hand. You can see the markings around sasuke's arm, signaling motion.
But you're right. Itachi can do a 360 turn of body while casting Amaterasu. But it has a few flaws
1. It is very chakra taxing if he does a large scale form of that
2. Itachi literally surrounds himself with Amaterasu if he goes short range 360. A frs would make Amaterasu spread around and hit Itachi.
3. When Itachi tried to get Naruto's side, he'd actually ignite a wall of clones. He'd never reach Naruto himself.
What stops giant frs from being hit? Just as I said in my first post, Naruto will send off a number of his clones outside of battlefield. His clones would go somewhere that Itachi can't reach, and clones would charge up the giant FRS.
Itachi has no time to put toads in basic genjutsu when all 4 of them are jumping on him at the same time. He'd have to use amaterasu or susanoo. These frogs are fast. They'd all jump on Itachi at the same time. Itachi wold at least waste 25% of his chakra dealing with boss toads.
Naruto would use create a bunch of clones first, and will have some of them charge up giant frs outside of battlefield. While a couple more balancing senjutsu for when Naruto runs out of senjutsu. He'd then summon Ma and Pa. He'd then surrounds Itachi and attack him from all angles attacking him. This all happens when Ma is making her dust cloud. Then a Naruto clone would summon gamabunta, acting like food cart destroyed. Pa would then summon the rest of the toads. The toads will jump Itachi, but Itachi will finally take care of them. But wasting a huge amount of chakra trying to keep up susanoo and using amaterasu to kill the frogs. If tsukoyomi is used, then Itachi even wastes more chakra. Fighting with Naruto will come down to either close or range combat. Close combat without susanoo is futile for Itachi, where Frog Kata one shots. When susanoo comes out Naruto will make distance. Naruto then bombards Itachi with number of normal frs. higher versions of susanoo is needed to survive this. Fight goes on until Itachi is exhausted and can't use Ama anymore, Naruto's clones comes in with the large frs. It absolutely annihilates susanoo.
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Naruto isn't dodging either of the jutsu with his eyes closed or open so your point/claim is completely irrelevant. SM Naruto greastest speed feat is dodging a v1 Raikage. Ei went to v2 the moment he knew Amaterasu could be used[
Kurama making 5 tbb's doesn't debunk that their tbb's were still moving at the same speed another moot point. That only proves Kurama can make tbb's faster NOT his tbb's are flying faster theirs a difference you clown. Being in-hanced by Senjutsu makes your projectiles faster? Stop. So i guess SM Naruto FRS is faster than KM Naruto's? No it's not nor has it even been shown or indicated that that's true what's so ever. Wrong these rocks were clearly in the way here.
. Not only were those rocks cutting of his vision from the left or the right Kabuto was also lurking on the ground the entire time. I was going off your logic only on how Naruto would dodge Magatama's which was completely terrible by the way.
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] which shits on anything speed wise SM Naruto can/could do. Sensing something is irrelevant when you can't dodge it. The build up for MS tech's are extremely short. Kabuto another SM user was intercepted by Amaterasu while in full sprint[
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] If Sasuke would have aimed it up Kabuto would have been caught no doubt about it. So sensing and dodging or sensing and using clones isn't happening since the build up speed is far to quick. Hell Kakashi managed to go MS and snipe 2 Susanoo arrows that were 15m[
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]. Same thing goes for Magatama's; Susanoo is already going to be up so Naruto predicting when and where Magatama's are going to be used isn't happening. Yes they were blocked but what's your point? That was Gaara's strongest defense and rock golem and even that combination almost failed against Magatama's destructive powers. Kurama making 5 tbb's doesn't debunk that their tbb's were still moving at the same speed another moot point. That only proves Kurama can make tbb's faster NOT his tbb's are flying faster theirs a difference you clown. Being in-hanced by Senjutsu makes your projectiles faster? Stop. So i guess SM Naruto FRS is faster than KM Naruto's? No it's not nor has it even been shown or indicated that that's true what's so ever. Wrong these rocks were clearly in the way here.
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Magatama's are just as fast as FRS since they were both thrown at the same time and reached the same target at the same time what don't you get about this? Im confused completely. You want to know the difference between the Magatama's in FRS. Naruto can't shoot 4 FRS at once while Itachi can shoot 4 Magatama's at once. SM Naruto isn't dodging 4 Magatama that can be thrown apart from each other as well. So no SM Naruto isn't dodging 4 Magatama's. Clown ass. Once he uses a large scale Amaterasu he proceeds to drag it across the BF hitting all the clones that he see's. Didn't i already prove that he can cast 2 large scale Amaterasu's for the price of one? Shown here[
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] Then there's the fact that he can use a clone to spam Amaterasu why? Because once the clone is on the bf it doesn't take away from the users chakra when it does it's jutsu which means Itachi clone can spam Amaterasu while Itachi isn't effected at all. Randomly swinging Totsuka to lure Naruto out of the dust is a perfect idea seems to me like you can't counter it so your trying to ignore it.
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One solid question still remains here. Why are SM clones and SM Naruto feats are the same not once did he show superiority over his SM clone in terms of speed and DC reaction etc? L0l your a clown Kurama gathered that Nature energy which means it wasn't from the Toads like SM Naruto's is so using that as an example is completely flawed all around. Finally one solid point ill give you that. Wrong again. Since when was that an irrelevant factor in their fight?
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Nope he was only overwhelmed in cqc when Susanoo was involved without Susanoo him and Sasuke both nearly took each other out. Danzo was never taken out via kunai that was only in the anime do your research. Deidara still defending himself against them while handicapped. Yet against Sasuke he didn't want to fight him for even a second on the ground. Danzo kept up with Sasuke in cqc Danzo speed shouldn't be underestimated. FRS is never landing i've stated why to many damn times. Amaterasu from a clone ignites it or it's tanked via Yata mirror. Tore through? Nope just opened one layer in the Susanoo back that's about it. SM Naruto isn't dodging them while in cqc the amount of overrating your suggesting about SM speed is killer. If Naruto tries to jump back and use an frs it's dodged or Amaterasu burns the poor boy before he can even get it off. Susanoo isn't going to be needed the entire battle only when cqc is initiated. Lool kunai smh? Itachi clone spins while using Amaterasu burning Naruto and all of his clones.
That wasn't a flash step for one and how can someone do a flash step while in med air? Im curious to know? L00l that scan of Itachi being blitz never happened he was already in Izanami when that happened that's were the loop ended you clown[
That wasn't a flash step for one and how can someone do a flash step while in med air? Im curious to know? L00l that scan of Itachi being blitz never happened he was already in Izanami when that happened that's were the loop ended you clown[
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Turning his body won't work against Magatama's since Itachi can shoot 4 at a time and they don'r all fall in a straight line which means Naruto would have to clear their entire aoe instead of just side stepping like your implying. Dude those tree's are bigger than those so called mountains man you know what just stop while your at it this is pathetic. FRS or CFRS is no where near mountain level you clown. Why can't his clones use MS techs? Nothing suggest this at all. He doesn't need to know which is the real Naruto when he'll just take out the Naruto that's trying to use FRS simple.
Please stop with the struggle. He used Amaterasu and spent around nuff said dude quit playing these games. Not really since a sick Itachi did this feat and was able to use a v4 Susanoo after and prior to using that Susanoo he used a v3 to survive Kirin so it isn't going to be taxing to the point where it's a huge matter here. No he doesn't the Amaterasu goes pretty far[
Please stop with the struggle. He used Amaterasu and spent around nuff said dude quit playing these games. Not really since a sick Itachi did this feat and was able to use a v4 Susanoo after and prior to using that Susanoo he used a v3 to survive Kirin so it isn't going to be taxing to the point where it's a huge matter here. No he doesn't the Amaterasu goes pretty far[
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] Itachi was standing on top of the Uchiha hideout yet he got Amaterasu at least 20m away distance isn't a problem. Once his clone wall is burned through Naruto gets ignited by Itachi's clone(Using Amaterasu) or Susanoo projectiles or Totsuka blitzing him.
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Tssk. The moment Itachi looks at the toads it's game over not sure what your trying to refute this. Genjutsu shits on summonings. If try to pounce on Itachi Tosuka spills there guts with one slash or Itachi could simply dodge them and send his genjutsu crows out.
No bro. The moment he uses clones Amaterasu sparks them before they can even run outside the BF. Once he drags Amaterasu there all hit. Ma and Pa cannot be summoned like regular toads so this is a fail strategy once again. Gamabunta would get dodged or poked by Totsuka or genjutsu to many ways to counter the fool. Susanoo amaterasu combo on boss summonings not ever when 3tomoe genjutsu suffices. FRS aren't happening since the clones running outside the BF gets roasted before they can even get away. Trust me this fight won't last long enough for Itachi to tire out.
No bro. The moment he uses clones Amaterasu sparks them before they can even run outside the BF. Once he drags Amaterasu there all hit. Ma and Pa cannot be summoned like regular toads so this is a fail strategy once again. Gamabunta would get dodged or poked by Totsuka or genjutsu to many ways to counter the fool. Susanoo amaterasu combo on boss summonings not ever when 3tomoe genjutsu suffices. FRS aren't happening since the clones running outside the BF gets roasted before they can even get away. Trust me this fight won't last long enough for Itachi to tire out.
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Jesus you talk so much. Why you trying to be picky with the judges? EZQ is a better debater than you and l0l your talking about him saying stupid things when you claimed illiterate things this entire debate.
1- ''SM makes projectiles fly faster'' then didn't provide any evidence what so ever.
2- ''Kabuto blitz Itachi''When he was already inside the Izanami when that happened Lmao
3- ''Naruto can dodge Amaterasu'' lmao.
4- ''FRS is faster than Magatama's'' Yet they both were thrown at the same time and reached the same target at the same time.
Your a joke.
1- ''SM makes projectiles fly faster'' then didn't provide any evidence what so ever.
2- ''Kabuto blitz Itachi''When he was already inside the Izanami when that happened Lmao
3- ''Naruto can dodge Amaterasu'' lmao.
4- ''FRS is faster than Magatama's'' Yet they both were thrown at the same time and reached the same target at the same time.
Your a joke.
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