Edo Itachi and EMS Sasuke vs Edo Kages

[Beans2]

Wait how can Muu use Jinton on Sasuke when he covered and gold dust?. Your dumb af The mist will affect everyone except the Mizukage you dummy it has an Aoe range the Mizukage hasn't shown the ability to pick a selective group of people that can or cannot be affect by the Clam genjutsu. Talking autistic smhhhhhhhh​

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It's not a hard concept to understand.

The clam is the one producing the genjutsu, but it created mirages of both the Mizukage and the clam. Why can't it create mirages of more people too? What you're saying isn't necessarily impossible but I'm going to need a reason other than "it's the mizukage's summon."

 

[Beans2]

Gaara only blocked Enton, not Amaterasu, which is far faster.

Given Gaara's sand's speed feats, he can block Amaterasu as well.

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[Apêx1]

Given Gaara's sand's speed feats, he can block Amaterasu as well.

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1. A kunai travelled faster then that particular Gai.
2. Gaara's sand's movement speed does not equate to reaction speed.

 

[Brooks]

1. A kunai travelled faster then that particular Gai.
2. Gaara's sand's movement speed does not equate to reaction speed.

That would be considered an outtier since Gaara has admitted his sand is slower than Madara's attacks.​

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[TRE MERCER]

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It's not a hard concept to understand.

The clam is the one producing the genjutsu, but it created mirages of both the Mizukage and the clam. Why can't it create mirages of more people too? What you're saying isn't necessarily impossible but I'm going to need a reason other than "it's the mizukage's summon."

So wait he's going to be covered in a ball of gold dust and proceed to use Jinton while not being able to see the target seems logical. Stop. The Mizukage hasn't shown the feat to selectively choose who and whose's not going to be affect so enough with that BS your trying to sprout. Im telling you stop now your already starting to dig a hole in the ground if you continue you this you'll mess up your reputation as a good debater​

Given Gaara's sand's speed feats, he can block Amaterasu as well.

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So i guess gated Lee can throw a Kunai and blitz 8th gate Gai? I guess Kamui moves faster than 8th gate Gai everybody already shitted on you about this horrid logic stop sir.​

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Uchiha brothers wins low or med difficulty nothing else needs to be said here. Itachi and Sasuke taking quick action means the past kages doesn't stand a chance and here's why.

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One if Itachi decides to quickly use clones and then he quickly decides to use Amaterasu Gengetsu he wouldn't even have time to even use his clam and with the clones they should be able to use Amaterasu because there shadow clones. If multiple Amaterasu's are coming at the Kages at once that leaves them in a bad situation. Sasuke speed and reactions would shit on the 3rd Raikage lighted up or not. His straight foward attack would result in genjutsu just like he did

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he attacks in a linear fashion thus leaving him open for genjutsu just like Killer bee was here. Rasa is then raped by Sasuke via Better cqc skills,Raition,Amaterasu/Enton variants/Susanoo. Muu will not be able to decipher the real Itachi thus leading to his down fall. Sasuke could also summon Aoda and and use

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which means hiding isn't an option here either.

 

[Unorthodox]

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It's not a hard concept to understand.

The clam is the one producing the genjutsu, but it created mirages of both the Mizukage and the clam. Why can't it create mirages of more people too? What you're saying isn't necessarily impossible but I'm going to need a reason other than "it's the mizukage's summon."

OP says he only has gaara sealing feats nothing more meaning Amaterasu 1 shots or a susanoo arrows plows through that sand easy killing muu. Even with Gaara feats he would still get murked by a standing susanoo

 

[Apêx1]

That would be considered an outtier since Gaara has admitted his sand is slower than Madara's attacks.​

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True, it would make 0 sense to keep up with an actual full speed 8G Gai in the first place lmao. Would mean Gaara's sand can pretty much blitz any non-Rikudo character.

 

[Scryed]

Hmm..

I actually think ill go with the Kage. Just barely

 

[ARGUS]

Uchiha Bros win this mid/high diff

 

[Unorthodox]

Uchiha Bros win this mid/high diff

Sasuke solos

 

[solorflare99]

1. A kunai travelled faster then that particular Gai.
2. Gaara's sand's movement speed does not equate to reaction speed.

1. A kunai thrown by 6th Gate lee, That logically has to be faster than Minato's Shunshin. Guy may have not been going at max speed, but the TSB were and they are faster than Kamui.
2. True

That would be considered an outtier since Gaara has admitted his sand is slower than Madara's attacks.​

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It's not an outlier as his sand was still slower then Madara's attack speed, but being slower than Madara doesn't mean your slow, because by that logic Minato is slow.

I agree Rasa can't react to Amaterasu, I'm just here to defend my boy Gaara's feats=D

 

[Varrah]

Sasuke could potentially solo this given the capacities of his dōjutsu. Itachi could proposed something that makes the match quicker.​

 

[Beans2]

So wait he's going to be covered in a ball of gold dust and proceed to use Jinton while not being able to see the target seems logical. Stop. The Mizukage hasn't shown the feat to selectively choose who and whose's not going to be affect so enough with that BS your trying to sprout. Im telling you stop now your already starting to dig a hole in the ground if you continue you this you'll mess up your reputation as a good debater​

Doesn't matter if Muu can't see the target because he can sense chakra. Read the manga.

If the Mizukage can't selectively choose who and who's not going to be affected, how was he able to make himself not be affected? Remember he's not the one creating the genjutsu, the clam is.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Doesn't matter if Muu can't see the target because he can sense chakra. Read the manga.

If the Mizukage can't selectively choose who and who's not going to be affected, how was he able to make himself not be affected? Remember he's not the one creating the genjutsu, the clam is.

Yes he can sense chakra but that won't help him Susanoo arrows could easily plow through the weak defense plus Sasuke could simply evade the Jinton as he'll see the chakra building up through the gold dust. Mean while Itachi one shots Rasa with Amaterasu. Simple law of the users having power over their ability.

Nagato doesn't control what CT sucks up yet he doesn't get pulled into once it's used.

Roshi covers himself in Lava but isn't burned by it.

Just how Juubi Jin Obito can grab his TSB's without getting damaged.

Until you can prove that he can selectively chose people that argument needs to be dismissed.​

 

[Beans2]

Yes he can sense chakra but that won't help him Susanoo arrows could easily plow through the weak defense plus Sasuke could simply evade the Jinton as he'll see the chakra building up through the gold dust. Mean while Itachi one shots Rasa with Amaterasu.​

This has been countered a million times. I'm not replying to you again. If Sasuke uses Susanoo arrows to attack Muu, Raikage blitzes him since Sasuke cannot counter both of their attacks at the same time.

Simple law of the users having power over their ability.

Nagato doesn't control what CT sucks up yet he doesn't get pulled into once it's used.

Roshi covers himself in Lava but isn't burned by it.

Just how Juubi Jin Obito can grab his TSB's without getting damaged.

Until you can prove that he can selectively chose people that argument needs to be dismissed.

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READ THE MANGA, OR AT LEAST READ MY POSTS. This is all irrelevant since the genjutsu isn't the Mizukage's ability, it's his clam's ability.

 

[Mr Major English]

Hebi Sasuke soloes. A lightened Raikage's speed is pathetic in front of Hebi Sasuke's god-like speed. Sasuke blitzes low difference and pierces Ei with his Chidori - that canonically was stated to be on par with Nukite. Sasuke's unique Sharingan sees through all genjutsu and Invisibility. Laser shaped Jinton has deplorable Area of Effect for someone with speed like Sasuke - who flawlessly evaded even the Juubi's bijuu dama AOE. CM2 wings tank Nukite and Jinton low difference - while a Hebi bunshin blitzes them from behind neg difference.


If you disagree - you're not smart as I am.

 

[TRE MERCER]

This has been countered a million times. I'm not replying to you again. If Sasuke uses Susanoo arrows to attack Muu, Raikage blitzes him since Sasuke cannot counter both of their attacks at the same time.

If the 3rd Raikage tries to blitz Sasuke while his Susanoo is shooting Susanoo arrows he'll run into a v4 Susanoo covered in Enton. Let's assume for a sec he does breach the Susanoo his body will be covered in enton and he's never going to land a hit on EMS Sasuke anyways. EMS Sasuke have shown speed on KM Naruto level with pre-cog fast enough for him to track a Juubi Jin the 3rd Raikage while covered in Amaterasu is never landing a hit. Thus he dies a terrible flame filled death. I GUESS YOU COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT ITACHI HUH?​

READ THE MANGA, OR AT LEAST READ MY POSTS. This is all irrelevant since the genjutsu isn't the Mizukage's ability, it's his clam's ability.

Still doesn't change what i just said. Until proven he can target specific people with the mist he can't nuff said.​

 

[TheUnbiasedOne]

Thought about it, and unless Legged V4 is restricted, Sasuke and Itachi will high diff. I also have reason to believe Itachi mould summon yata and totsuka on Sasukes susanoo. They showed the ability to break each other from genjutsu