Edo Itachi > All versions of madara except Juubi Jin.

[Uchiha Joe]

Itachi's taijutsu is greater than Madara's. Madara's one taijutsu feat is comparable to Hebi Sasuke and Madara needed genjutsu use to complete his.

i agree, but for the sake of argument, i made them both equal.

Itachi > All versions of Madara before VOTE battle

Edo Itachi > Every Madara except Madara with Rikudo Sennin Chakra (Juubi Jin)

 

[Guntah]

IT works differently. The light needs to touch you in order for it to take affect. Sasuke's rinnegan only mangaed to block IT because he had the Sage's Sakura. He had Rikudo Sennin chakra. That's why his rinne sharingan was able to withstand the IT genjutsu.

This Madara we're talking about doesn't have Rikudo Senin Chakra (read the thread tittle). He cannot block IT if it was casted on him. Meaning he cannot block KA. KA instantly takes affect and finishes him off.

Sasuke himself said he should be able to dispel any Genjutsu cast by the Rinnegan with his own Rinnegan. Not because of some RS Chakra or something, but because of his Rinnegan. I don't know about you, but that says a lot to me when dealing with the weakened form of the Rinnegan and its Genjutsu.

 

[Holy God]

1. Impure World Itachi doesn't actually have Kotoamatsukami.

2. Obviously anyone who has Kotoamatsukami can defeat any character. Shisui could defeat Kaguya by himself with this method but that doesn't mean he's the strongest character. The same applies here. Having to default to such a technique shows lack of prowess.

 

[Uchiha Joe]

Sasuke himself said he should be able to dispel any Genjutsu cast by the Rinnegan with his own Rinnegan. Not because of some RS Chakra or something, but because of his Rinnegan. I don't know about you, but that says a lot to me when dealing with the weakened form of the Rinnegan and its Genjutsu.

SASUKE GOT HIS RINNEGAN FROM RIKUDO SENNIN CHAKRA . Slap yourself for that mistake. Rikudo Sennin Chakra was what allowed him to dispell IT. I can admit that because i ain't a fanboy. It's the truth.

1. Impure World Itachi doesn't actually have Kotoamatsukami.

2. Obviously anyone who has Kotoamatsukami can defeat any character. Shisui could defeat Kaguya by himself with this method but that doesn't mean he's the strongest character. The same applies here. Having to default to such a technique shows lack of prowess.

It also shows that Edo itachi was extremely formidable. He is able to beat any version of Madara (pre juubi jin) with multiple jutsu at his disposal.

KA one shots.
totsuka blade one shots if he's Edo.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I included it in his arsenal since he had it shortly before his death.

True, but before he died Shisuis ms was set to respond literally under one condition, why would he magically be able to use it at will now?

 

[Uchiha Joe]

True, but before he died Shisuis ms was set to respond literally under one condition, why would he magically be able to use it at will now?

Shisui gave Itachi his eye to do as he pleases with it. Just because he programmed it do this said thing, doesn't mean he can't program it to do something else. He can easily program it to activate when he looks at Madara. KA will instantly take affect.

 

[Guntah]

SASUKE GOT HIS RINNEGAN FROM RIKUDO SENNIN CHAKRA . Slap yourself for that mistake. Rikudo Sennin Chakra was what allowed him to dispell IT. I can admit that because i ain't a fanboy. It's the truth.

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Rikudo chakra is what allowed him to dispel IT. Please show me the scan saying its what allowed him to block it in the first place. While at it, show me the scan proving Madara's Rinnegan wouldn't be capable of doing the exact same.

Take your time. I'll be waiting.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Shisui gave Itachi his eye to do as he pleases with it. Just because he programmed it do this said thing, doesn't mean he can't program it to do something else. He can easily program it to activate when he looks at Madara. KA will instantly take affect.

How though? Your arguing edo itachi, he came back after already programming it and leaving it in naruto, your suggesting he can unprogram it, and re program it whilst it's still in naruto? It's far fetched. If you where saying alive itachi I'd go along but your not

 

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God bless this thread.

 

[Holy God]

totsuka blade one shots if he's Edo.

Totsuka Blade certainly wouldn't touch Madara. Even if for some reason Itachi could pierce Madara with it, Limbo allows for Madara to swap and avoid it. Also, don't forget that Limbo shadows exist in a different dimension. They easily bypass Susano'o and Yata Mirror without even trying.

 

[Uchiha Joe]

How though? Your arguing edo itachi, he came back after already programming it and leaving it in naruto, your suggesting he can unprogram it, and re program it whilst it's still in naruto? It's far fetched. If you where saying alive itachi I'd go along but your not

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Rikudo chakra is what allowed him to dispel IT. Please show me the scan saying its what allowed him to block it in the first place. While at it, show me the scan proving Madara's Rinnegan wouldn't be capable of doing the exact same.

Take your time. I'll be waiting.

Sasuke has the rinne sharingan from exposure to Riukdo Sennin Chakra. He literally unlocked this rinnegan when Riukdo gave him half his powers.

Madara has the normal Sharingan that you get from developing the EMS. If Sasuke did the same thing as Madara and unlocked the rinnegan himself, he would not be able to dispel IT with it. Only way to dispel IT is with Rikudo Sennin Chakra.

Rikudo Sennin chakra = Sasuke's Rinnegan = Sasuke being able to dispel IT with it.

Madara without Rikudo Sennin chakra = not able to dispel IT.

It's common knowledge.

How though? Your arguing edo itachi, he came back after already programming it and leaving it in naruto, your suggesting he can unprogram it, and re program it whilst it's still in naruto? It's far fetched. If you where saying alive itachi I'd go along but your not

For this argument, i added KA to itachi's arsenal. Read the original post. I'm using alive Itachi but in Edo form. When he had KA.

 

[Guntah]

Sasuke has the rinne sharingan from exposure to Riukdo Sennin Chakra. He literally unlocked this rinnegan when Riukdo gave him half his powers.

Madara has the normal Sharingan that you get from developing the EMS. If Sasuke did the same thing as Madara and unlocked the rinnegan himself, he would not be able to dispel IT with it. Only way to dispel IT is with Rikudo Sennin Chakra.

Rikudo Sennin chakra = Sasuke's Rinnegan = Sasuke being able to dispel IT with it.

Madara without Rikudo Sennin chakra = not able to dispel IT.

It's common knowledge.

No one dispelled IT, I'm talking about blocking it like Sasuke did. Only Sasuke and Naruto can together dispel it. Now, block it, that's another matter entirely....

Plus, Sasuke himself said it, a Genjutsu cast by a Rinnegan can probably be dispelled by a Rinnegan. The IT is a special case as what cast it was a Rinne Sharingan, but I don't see how that logic can't apply to Koto.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Sasuke has the rinne sharingan from exposure to Riukdo Sennin Chakra. He literally unlocked this rinnegan when Riukdo gave him half his powers.

Madara has the normal Sharingan that you get from developing the EMS. If Sasuke did the same thing as Madara and unlocked the rinnegan himself, he would not be able to dispel IT with it. Only way to dispel IT is with Rikudo Sennin Chakra.

Rikudo Sennin chakra = Sasuke's Rinnegan = Sasuke being able to dispel IT with it.

Madara without Rikudo Sennin chakra = not able to dispel IT.

It's common knowledge.



For this argument, i added KA to itachi's arsenal. Read the original post. I'm using alive Itachi but in Edo form. When he had KA.

Fair enough then

 

[Uchiha Joe]

No one dispelled IT, I'm talking about blocking it like Sasuke did. Only Sasuke and Naruto can together dispel it. Now, block it, that's another matter entirely....

Plus, Sasuke himself said it, a Genjutsu cast by a Rinnegan can probably be dispelled by a Rinnegan. The IT is a special case as what cast it was a Rinne Sharingan, but I don't see how that logic can't apply to Koto.

I didn't mean dispell it, my mistake. I meant blocking it. Only way to block it is with Rikudo Sennin chakra and rinnegan. I doubt a regular rinnegan would be able to do the job. Sasuke's rinnegan is a result of the sage's chakra fusing with his EMS. His rinnegan is different than madara's (pre juubi).

And KA isn't a rinnegan Genjutsu.

 

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[Mori Jin]

Ah delusion at its finest. Madara would only need to use multiple techniques or Mokuton and yata wouldn't be able to block it. Itachi fanboys are delusional. Totsuka needs to pierce him to actually seal him. Plus it's known for its sealing abilities not it's piercing attacks. There's nothing that actually shows it'd be able to penetrate perfect susanoo either. Meteors, forest world jutsu thing with Mokuton, it's poison pollen there's a lot he can do.

 

[Holy God]

I didn't mean dispell it, my mistake. I meant blocking it. Only way to block it is with Rikudo Sennin chakra and rinnegan. I doubt a regular rinnegan would be able to do the job.

It has nothing to do with chakra itself. Itachi himself said a visual technique cannot be casted on a person with the same eyes. Sasuke re-establishes that by saying, since Infinite Tsukuyomi is a Rinnegan technique, it will not work on someone with the Rinnegan. Either way, Hagoromo himself says that Madara has his chakra.

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[Rikudou Tobi]

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[Uchiha Joe]

It has nothing to do with chakra itself. Itachi himself said a visual technique cannot be casted on a person with the same eyes. Sasuke re-establishes that by saying, since Infinite Tsukuyomi is a Rinnegan technique, it will not work on someone with the Rinnegan. Either way, Hagoromo himself says that Madara has his chakra.

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Alright, let's entertain the fact that any rinnegan can block IT. KA isn't a rinnegan jutsu. KA would be able to one shot Madara before he has the chance to do anything. KA cannot be countered.

And this is "if" any rinnegan can block IT. Which i doubt is true. Sasuke's rinnegan is different than Madara's.

 

[Holy God]

Alright, let's entertain the fact that any rinnegan can block IT. KA isn't a rinnegan jutsu. KA would be able to one shot Madara before he has the chance to do anything. KA cannot be countered.

And this is "if" any rinnegan can block IT. Which i doubt is true. Sasuke's rinnegan is different than Madara's.

I didn't say anything about Kotoamatsukami. I've already said it could defeat even Kaguya. You may have missed my

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