Edo Hiruzen vs Obito

[Brother Numpsay]

They are all mentally activated. And cut the crap. No way to prove it? Shadow Binding is PHYSICAL. Unless his shadows numb his mind or some BS like that, you are wrong.

Ok, ill drop it.

Shadow possession blocks the chakra from entering someone's eyes as well

Ok that point is wrong. Which is still the least of my worries. Still no decent arguments on your behalf

 

[Lord Tywin]

Ok, ill drop it.



Ok that point is wrong. Which is still the least of my worries. Still no decent arguments on your behalf

obito counters everything else as well. Mind Transfer is countered because of its prep. Clones are owned by katon from behind or shurikens. Hiruzen himself gets owned by Kamui as well. I don't have to have an argument when a character is massively above another character

 

[TRE MERCER]

L00l Kratos is right. Obito can use Kamui while being restricted. It doesn't involve any body movement what so ever. Inb4 Hiruzen can keep up with Obito.

INB4 Hiruzen can use
Inner Gates
FTG
Rasengan
Shadow possesion
etc...
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[Brother Numpsay]

obito counters everything else as well. Mind Transfer is countered because of its prep. Clones are owned by katon from behind or shurikens. Hiruzen himself gets owned by Kamui as well. I don't have to have an argument when a character is massively above another character

Mind Transfer comes out no different then other basic jutsu you shoot out. Anyway, with conjunction with Shadow Possession, its not a problem. Only grossly overate Katon, as I said before, gets counter with Suiton or Doton underneath. Hiruzen easily reacts to Obito phyically, and chakra sense support against teleportation. You dont have a decent argument under these restricted/altered conditions so moot.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

L00l Kratos is right. Obito can use Kamui while being restricted. It doesn't involve any body movement what so ever. Inb4 Hiruzen can keep up with Obito.

INB4 Hiruzen can use
Inner Gates
FTG
Rasengan
Shadow possesion
etc...
​

@underline. When are you going to start reading the OP? Ill wait until you stop acting dumb. Probably wont happen.

 

[TRE MERCER]

@underline. When are you going to start reading the OP? Ill wait until you stop acting dumb. Probably wont happen.

OK you got me with the op bs. Hiruzen wins if he has access to all of the leaf techs outside of KKG.​

 

[Lord Tywin]

Mind Transfer comes out no different then other basic jutsu you shoot out. Anyway, with conjunction with Shadow Possession, its not a problem. Only grossly overate Katon, as I said before, gets counter with Suiton or Doton underneath. Hiruzen easily reacts to Obito phyically, and chakra sense support against teleportation. You dont have a decent argument under these restricted/altered conditions so moot.

You gotta have a certain pose with Mind Transfer, which Obito knows about. Even if he's caught with Shadown possession, he can kamui himself faster than Hiruzen can perform Mind Transfer. There is also the fact that Obito shat on Mind Transfer with no difficulty. Obito's katon overwhelms Suiton. Fact. Obito would see Hiruzen going underground. Fact. Hiruzen has no way of defending himself, when Obito pops on his ass from behind.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You gotta have a certain pose with Mind Transfer, which Obito knows about. Even if he's caught with Shadown possession, he can kamui himself faster than Hiruzen can perform Mind Transfer. There is also the fact that Obito shat on Mind Transfer with no difficulty. Obito's katon overwhelms Suiton. Fact. Obito would see Hiruzen going underground. Fact. Hiruzen has no way of defending himself, when Obito pops on his ass from behind.

You gotta have a certain pose to do any ninjutsu, which Obito has vast knowledge on many, moot point. No he isn't, the jutsu would already be prepare via Clones, faster then Konan transporting papers towards him[

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]. Obito can shat on it all he want, Hiruzen kills him during the delay. Suiton>Katon. Fact. Occupied Obito gets fient by underground, just like every other Uchiha we seen experience, fact. Hiruzen is capable of sensing and react to people = to Obito's physical stats (Which he would need as the end result to catch him): Such as speed and strike speed, Fact.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You gotta have a certain pose to do any ninjutsu, which Obito has vast knowledge on many, moot point. No he isn't, the jutsu would already be prepare via Clones, faster then Konan transporting papers towards him[

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]. Obito can shat on it all he want, Hiruzen kills him during the delay. Suiton>Katon. Fact. Occupied Obito gets fient by underground, just like every other Uchiha we seen experience, fact. Hiruzen is capable of sensing and react to people = to Obito's physical stats (Which he would need as the end result to catch him): Such as speed and strike speed, Fact.

The point is Hiruzen might not have all the clones in one place. Obito can also get rid of some of the clones with shurikens from behind, or katon. Obito can be all over the battlefield. Then you have the intel in OP as manga, which means Hiruzen would have no idea what Obito is doing when he's using Kamui to teleport himself. Konan's papers attached to Obito himself, which mind transfer can't. The time it took Obito to shit all over Mind transer was in fraction of a second, which is faster than Hiruzen's justu execution speed. I've said it multiple times that Hiruzen has no way of finding out when Obito is using his full speed. Once again, better sensors couldn't, Hiruzen can't.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The point is Hiruzen might not have all the clones in one place. Obito can also get rid of some of the clones with shurikens from behind, or katon. Obito can be all over the battlefield. Then you have the intel in OP as manga, which means Hiruzen would have no idea what Obito is doing when he's using Kamui to teleport himself. Konan's papers attached to Obito himself, which mind transfer can't. The time it took Obito to shit all over Mind transer was in fraction of a second, which is faster than Hiruzen's justu execution speed. I've said it multiple times that Hiruzen has no way of finding out when Obito is using his full speed. Once again, better sensors couldn't, Hiruzen can't.

Base on what? If the strategy is to counter Kamui, the clones would be in places they need to. Your repeating the same defeated argument. Obito can't teleport himself and then open Kamui again to use Shirukens, without Hiruzen reacting. Your premise has Obito with zero intangibility during that kind of process. NO Obito cannot be all over the battle field and do these things your suggesting, please follow manga showcase of Kamui usage.
I added Manga Intel just to see to see how many people will underestimate the Professors intelligence, like your doing right now. Hiruzen easily figures out the mechanics of Obito's S/T, much faster then Minato. Especially since Hiruzen fight style is similar to Kakashi via use Clone for intel (Orochimaru implication). Konan sends paper towards Obito's direction jutsu in case he wanted to teleport away[

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]. What Hiruzen most definitely has jutsu that comes out faster then 2 secs[

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]. Even a blitz will only take a sec.
Full Speed Kamui is irrelevant when Clones Feint are there plus Physical contact w/ Shadow Possession is instant.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Base on what? If the strategy is to counter Kamui, the clones would be in places they need to. Your repeating the same defeated argument. Obito can't teleport himself and then open Kamui again to use Shirukens, without Hiruzen reacting. Your premise has Obito with zero intangibility during that kind of process. NO Obito cannot be all over the battle field and do these things your suggesting, please follow manga showcase of Kamui usage.
I added Manga Intel just to see to see how many people will underestimate the Professors intelligence, like your doing right now. Hiruzen easily figures out the mechanics of Obito's S/T, much faster then Minato. Especially since Hiruzen fight style is similar to Kakashi via use Clone for intel (Orochimaru implication). Konan sends paper towards Obito's direction jutsu in case he wanted to teleport away[

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]. What Hiruzen most definitely has jutsu that comes out faster then 2 secs[

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]. Even a blitz will only take a sec.
Full Speed Kamui is irrelevant when Clones Feint are there plus Physical contact w/ Shadow Possession is instant.

You know what? lets make this easier for both of us. Why don't you explain how you would think the battle would go down, and I'll present my counter.

 

[Lytes]

Obito wins obviously with Kamui

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito loses clones and versatility is/are his weakness.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You know what? lets make this easier for both of us. Why don't you explain how you would think the battle would go down, and I'll present my counter.

It has been summarized through out this thread. Basically what KG65 stated (Post #20).

The only difference here is the starting battle:

Hiruzen is going to exploit a nonJuubiJin Obito's move-set, much like the same way he did in his stronger form. By first experience he will tell how Kamui function works, much like how he discern the attributes and limitations from only brief observation via Truth-Seek Balls. Same will happen with Kamui. As Hiruzen has many options to exploit that: mainly Shiruken Clones and Shadow Clones.

 

[Kages]

Counter to Neutralizer GG? None? Ok, bye.

Rikuzen fodderstomps.