Edo Hiruzen vs Killer Bee

[Unorthodox]

cant belive Mack actually debating this is blasphemy

 

[Curse Mark]

Still no counter to flash TBB? Kinda skimmed the most recent stuff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Still no counter to flash TBB? Kinda skimmed the most recent stuff.

Blast: The first and only time bee use the blast version was when he tilted his head up[

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Hiruzen will simply gain some distance when its being charge, or take advantage of the charge time in general. All Hiruzen needs to do is create the debris Doton he did against Buddha[

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]. Dont underestimate it just because it looks like a bunch of rocks. This is how Kisimoto portray Earth Release: Hiruzen shooting out this jutsu is basically made of the resistance of steel hitting you.

Once Bee fires that blast, that Doton stream will simply force the blast to explode on that location of impact, keeping Hiruzen from getting hit on range.

Think of TBB hitting a steel wall. Its not going to continue thus will explode on contact.

My premise was using Doton Stream he did in the Manga to force the blast to explode early, instead of being launch from the radius he will get effect by.

 

[Curse Mark]

Think of TBB hitting a steel wall. Its not going to continue thus will explode on contact.

My premise was using Doton Stream he did in the Manga to force the blast to explode early, instead of being launch from the radius he will get effect by.

Flash TBB damnit the one that's not a ball the one i've been saying this whole time

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Flash TBB damnit the one that's not a ball the one i've been saying this whole time

I did refer the blast and not the ball...

I said the ball can be redirected with Wind Style
I said the blast can be collide with Doton Stream, on impact. A clone can do this while the original gets safety. The location can make him as secure as Team Taka surviving .

 

[Curse Mark]

I did refer the blast and not the ball...

I said the ball can be redirected with Wind Style
I said the blast can be collide with Doton Stream, on impact. A clone can do this while the original gets safety. The location can make him as secure as Team Taka surviving .

The blast dwarfed Hachibi, the wind or earth gets wiped away instantly

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The blast dwarfed Hachibi, the wind or earth gets wiped away instantly

1.The blast explosion does. The beam (before it blows) can be scaled to Hachibi's size.

2.Doton stream is not just a bunch of rocks. Kishimoto portray them to be, once master, augmented like steel.

3.Hiruzen Doton Stream rivals Buijuu size.

4. A wave of a steel wall will force the beam to explode early

So yes the Doton will get obliterated but it will also stop its path from going any further.

 

[Curse Mark]

1.The blast explosion does. The beam (before it blows) can be scaled to Hachibi's size.

2.Doton stream is not just a bunch of rocks. Kishimoto portray them to be, once master, augmented like steel.

3.Hiruzen Doton Stream rivals Buijuu size.

4. A wave of a steel wall will force the beam to explode early

So yes the Doton will get obliterated but it will also stop its path from going any further.

Ej think about what you're saying.. The blast is instantaneous with flash TBB. He charges the ball and then it shoots out and the size was massive. Even if his attack was bijuu sized, a bijuu sized amount of steal doesn't even phase something that big.
Scans of them being portrayed like steel though?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ej think about what you're saying.. The blast is instantaneous with flash TBB. He charges the ball and then it shoots out and the size was massive. Even if his attack was bijuu sized, a bijuu sized amount of steal doesn't even phase something that big.

Where is evidence that the blast will continue, after ramming through a thick wall of steel? Last time I Check Madara needed his PS slash inside to support the TBB from going further,without losing path to where he wants it to explode

Scans of them being portrayed like steel though?

They arent any scans of elements being portray as x y and z.The only one that was explained was wind nature (since the main character has it and needs to train from it) .But Kishimoto explain it in Databook section, Nature Transformation. (cant find official scan)

Headline: Nature Alteration is the basis of ninjutsu, and a vital point in the development of a new jutsu. All the information about it is noted here...!!

The Five Great Natures
Caption: The five varieties of chakra nature all ninjutsu are based upon.

Text: When one uses ninjutsu, the act of including things such as Fire or Wind nature to chakra for added efficiency is called Nature Alteration. Comprehending Nature Alteration requires some individual qualities, but usually, one person can master one Nature Alteration with ease, and people who master more than two are commonplace among Jounin.


Comment
-Earth is weak against Lightning. The five Nature Alterations are interrelated in such terms of superiority and inferiority...!!
Chart: [Clockwise, starting from the top]Inf.(Fire)Sup.→Inf.(Wind)Sup.→Inf.(Lightning)Sup.→Inf.(Earth)Sup.→Inf.(Water)Sup.→
[In the middle]The five great Chakra Nature Alterations

Specificities of the five great Nature Alterations

Fire
Flame-like high-temperature chakra that burns everything it touches to a crisp. It has the additional effect of setting the target aflame, and stands besides Wind as an offense-specialized style.

Wind
Blade-like chakra to behead, split and sever anything and anyone. Used with special ninja tools or in jutsu, it has the best offensive ability in close to medium range.

Lightning
Easy to diffuse, it has good compatibility with medium to long range jutsu. Infused into a metallic weapon, it adds harming and killing efficiency, as well as electrocution...!!

Earth
The Nature that alters everything in solidity and composition. If one masters it, it is possible to give jutsu or objects the resistance of steel and the flexibility of clay.

Water
A good compatibility with various Shape Alterations. Creating a mist to hide oneself, or a tidal wave for confinement, it is greatly beneficial for supporting purposes.

Decision
Caption: Determining one's type with chakra-responsive paper!!

Text: Before the straining can start, it is necessary to know which Nature one is matched with. The best way is to pour chakra into some chakra-responsive paper, and see how it alters it. With Wind, the paper will be cut, and with Lightning, crumples will appear. The Alteration will be made clear by such changes.

Comment
-Chakra-responsive paper is made out of special trees fed and grown with chakra.

Training Method
Caption: To each Nature its distinct, specific training
[In white]Training in Wind Nature Alteration

Picture of the grinning Naruto
First Step
Reinforcing his Nature Alteration!!
Comment
-He keeps on pouring Wind chakra into the leaf until it's cut in half.

Picture of the waterfall
Second Step
Instant Alteration volume increase!!
Comment
-To increase the amount of chakra he can release in an instant, he takes the crash course: cutting a waterfall...!!

Picture of Fuuton: Rasengan
Third Step
Including Nature Alteration into the jutsu!!
Comment
-The final step, with the highest degree in difficulty: inclusion into the jutsu...!!

Text: To learn Nature Alteration, one must undergo a training specific to each Nature. In the case of Wind Nature Alteration, the steps to take are first: strengthening one's chakra Nature, second: Alteration volume increase, and third: addition into the jutsu. Completing this training normally takes several years.

 

[lelerskates]

Hiruzen has the best Bushin Fient in the series, shown (by durability)

No he doesn't. Don't be stupid. Naruto has the best feats since the war arc. Or did you forget about the fact that Naruto beat the 3rd Raikage with a clone and was using a clone that got hit several times against Obito and Madara and didn't vanish? And Hiruzen isn't beating Bee.

 

[Curse Mark]

im sorry but i just dont think i can bring myself to try any further i just cant argue with that

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No he doesn't. Don't be stupid. Naruto has the best feats since the war arc. Or did you forget about the fact that Naruto beat the 3rd Raikage with a clone and was using a clone that got hit several times against Obito and Madara and didn't vanish? And Hiruzen isn't beating Bee.

Are you even looking at the scans I post? Hiruzen Shadow clone was stabbed five times. Naruto's clone can't even take a hit. Show me a scan of Naruto clone taking more then one hit. Ill wait.

im sorry but i just dont think i can bring myself to try any further i just cant argue with that

Its it an illogical claim, that I am stating?

 

[lelerskates]

Are you even looking at the scans I post? Hiruzen Shadow clone was stabbed five times. Naruto's clone can't even take a hit. Show me a scan of Naruto clone taking more then one hit. Ill wait.



Its it an illogical claim, that I am stating?

You are claiming that Hiruzen can block a TBB with his doton stream. Everything you are stating is illogical. Being a good debater is one thing, but when you claim a kitten can beat a tank is asinine at best. People aren't taking what you're saying seriously.

This thread is finished, Killer Bee wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You are claiming that Hiruzen can block a TBB with his doton stream. Everything you are stating is illogical. Being a good debater is one thing, but when you claim a kitten can beat a tank is asinine at best. People aren't taking what you're saying seriously.

This thread is finished, Killer Bee wins.

Terrible analogy. My post shows that Doton isnt viewed as just a bunch of rocks, stated by Kisimoto. There is a difference between the ground that Bee can easily strip though, then a Earth with chakra hardening it to be much more efficient when it comes to it durability.

It simple. The results will not be same same comparing the earth that has no chakra support to one that does.

My post never attended to say Doton will be Superior in this match. But what a clone Hiruzen can do is buy safety time, as much as Suigetsu did for Taka.

 

[Unorthodox]

Terrible analogy. My post shows that Doton isnt viewed as just a bunch of rocks, stated by Kisimoto. There is a difference between the ground that Bee can easily strip though, then a Earth with chakra hardening it to be much more efficient when it comes to it durability.

It simple. The results will not be same same comparing the earth that has no chakra support to one that does.

My post never attended to say Doton will be Superior in this match. But what a clone Hiruzen can do is buy safety time, as much as Suigetsu did for Taka.

not happening no doton anything is blocking this

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[Brother Numpsay]

not happening no doton anything is blocking this

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I cant stand when people take other peoples words for my statement, and go along with it.

Either dont quote me if you have any idea to what I am saying or read to what I was actually saying.

 

[Latios]

I don't see Doton blocking Bijuudama, Bijuubeam, or Multi-Bijuudama...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't see Doton blocking Bijuudama, Bijuubeam, or Multi-Bijuudama...

Whos spreading the rumors around of Doton blocking Bijuudama. Or am I seeing a different meaning.

Define: blocking

Do you define Orochimaru "blocking" it with Rashomon gates.