Edo Hiruzen vs Killer Bee

[Prince Charles]

Tell me what you remember from the Tobirama thread.

just came bak from the gym, too tired to clown yo ass.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

just came bak from the gym, too tired to clown yo ass.

I knew it lol. Your just going by everyone else failed interpretation from the thread, then actually reading it.

 

[Prince Charles]

I knew it lol. Your just going by everyone else failed interpretation from the thread, then actually reading it.

lol why the hell would I read it? Common sense obviously saids tobirama cannot take ems madara + kyuubi, only reason why I aint clown yo ass is cus you my boy. But you on some..

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[Curse Mark]

lol why the hell would I read it? Common sense obviously saids tobirama cannot take ems madara + kyuubi, only reason why I aint clown yo ass is cus you my boy. But you on some..

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take me outta the oven i'm done

 

[Brother Numpsay]

lol why the hell would I read it? Common sense obviously saids tobirama cannot take ems madara + kyuubi, only reason why I aint clown yo ass is cus you my boy. But you on some..

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Thats because you like other people focus on power scaling jutsu, then tactics and strategy

 

[Prince Charles]

Thats because you like other people focus on power scaling jutsu, then tactics and strategy

Not really you just make some scenarios that sound all good and what not and people agree with you but honestly it wouldnt play out like that, anyone can make some scenarios and make it sound all nice and etc. At the end of the day tobirama cannot handle the brute force and power of kyuubi along with Madara, Any tard can realize this.

take me outta the oven i'm done

lel I do it for the kids dog

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not really you just make some scenarios that sound all good and what not and people agree with you but honestly it wouldnt play out like that, anyone can make some scenarios and make it sound all nice and etc. At the end of the day tobirama cannot handle the brute force and power of kyuubi along with Madara, Any tard can realize this.

People can make some scenario and make it sound nice and etc? Thats some excuse, that has never been used before. Its either you can counter it or you can't.

 

[Latios]

Man, poor Ej. He got baked and served to the children of NV

 

[KCN]

where can i see this thread? first that other thread, and now here?

 

[Curse Mark]

Man, poor Ej. He got baked and served to the children of NV

Glad to know i'm not the only one baked here

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[Latios]

Glad to know i'm not the only one baked here

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I know... Poor dk and Ej... Now they are those shitty baked potato chips lays has D;

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Man, poor Ej. He got baked and served to the children of NV

Never heard this reference. Is this a diss?

 

[Unorthodox]

so weak ejblack is the funniest baser bee stomps neg diff

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Shinsuusenju's interception was completely different than seeing through Killer Bee's tricks, since Hiruzen was standing right in front, so naturally, he will be able to see what's happening. And Kisame's example is also different, since Kisame was still running, giving him time to see what Bee is doing. Regarding Orochimaru's example, even if he saw it, why he would he care if Edo Tensie zombies are immortal. So your counter for this part is not proficient enough, and Bee's method will still work.

1. Kisame: The fact remain he didn't pay attention to him first, regardless of his action. Hiruzen in this match up will remain paying attention to Bee. That is the difference here.

2. My premise is, he didn't see it (

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). So yes he doesnt care if they are Edo, that whole example shows that he was still unaware of his sneak tactic.

Samehada is too fast to be caught by that technique, and Bee can always protect it using 7 sword dance [

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Except Bee isn't slapping away a Fuma Shirukens, in base. Nor with fire chakra infused.

Sharingan counts as defensible weapon, which grants better defense than giant Shuriken. And you realize that even if he used this form of defensible and defensible attack, it will remain useless against Raiton user who cut giant blade with 1 sword through Raiton [

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]. Shuriken is made from steel, and since Bee is using 7 swords which he can transmit Raiton to each of them, as well as his incredible speed [

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] that Sasuke, hyped to have godlike speed in Databook failed to keep up with, Hiruzen's Shuriken will be penetrated and he will be pierced same way Sasuke was. So he has no chance of countering this, unless he keeps his distance away. Hiruzen's Databook score are false. You're basically saying he is equal to Gai and Lee and we know that's not true, especially with his feats.[/FONT]

Sharingan doesn't protect you from all angles. It help precog to what they can see from their field vision. Thats not a proper defense against Bee's style, since they can't protect themselves from blind spots.'

There is no evidence for Bee to have that kind of chakra control (channeling chakra on his swords w/ his teeth and hind legs, etc.) Bee only shown to focus his channeling one weapon at a time.

Hiruzen should be safe if he channels lighting through his mouth to cancel.

Gojo is not close to being height and width of PS and Shinsuusenju. The explosion was barely bigger than Gamakechi [

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]. Hiruzen's best speed feat is keeping up with Hashirama and Tobirama through Shunshin. Killer Bee's speed is inhuman.

Um, you might want to look at the Juubi Minion that was closest to the blast, then the character that escaped its range.

In base, he intercepted a point range punch from Ay [

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]. He traveled from the cliff, all the way to the mountain in split of second without Karin(sensor) and Sasuke(Sharingan wielder) had even noticed [

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], while Sasuke, hyped to be godlike at Shunshin needed Juugo's Senjutsu chakra to barely where Bee was, when Bee made it there instantly in base. Bee had even kept up with KCM Naruto in footspeed while in base. Look at how fast he traveled from the mountain to the battlefield:

I can show you Hiruzen going from the village to where kushina and minato were in a very very short time[

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Bee is faster then Hiruzen, fact. What I was trying to point out that the evidence are sufficient enough to show that Hiruzen will not be overwhelm with Bee's speed.

Lol, i hope you're not serious that Enma's cage is actually going to tank point range Bijuu Dama of this scale:

Read my premise carefully, it was talking about physical encounter. I already made a premise concerning TBB.

Where was it stated or shown, Raiton can effect V2?. If so, Samehada uses its absorption ability to suck Raiton [

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]. So that will render that method useless as well.

1. It was shown through Kakashi vs V2.
2. Samehada can absorb it but Samehada is very limited to how much it can absorb. Hiruzen's Raiton will be too much to take in.

3. If V2 is being use, Samehada stays coated inside.

You're taking the name of the jutsu out of context. The jutsu produces shock wave twist, not actual wind. Further the implication, Viz translation names the jutsu ''Eight-Tailed Beast Twister'', so its not Futon technique. Even if it was, Hiruzen's Katon will not counter even if he upgrades it with Futon. The scale of the jutsu is devastating.


The area Killer Bee produced is about twice the size of Konoha. Hiruzen's tiny Katon and Futon will do nothing to defend against it.

Lol that is not shock wave, this isnt PS slash focused into energy. its air circulation you can create by swinging your fist. Bee's tremendous strength allowed it to happen.[

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]<--Thats isnt shock wave, focus on the tip of the jutsu and circulation current from that attack again. Thats clearly a living tornado.

Can air circulation makes a mere Katon like this[

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That maybe a way of stopping of 1 TBB, but the difference between Hiruzen's size and Futon his technique is not that much. Even so, he WILL not stop 4 TBB aimed at him:

Shadow Clone support.

Blast: Its not the fact i am understimating the jutsu, its just the fact you're overrating it. I hope you realize that Bee's blast of TBB dwarfed Hacibi;

Not to mention its explosion created a valley:
And you're making it sound as if Bee's TBB takes too long to charge. It only takes seconds, and Hiruzen will not gain time to create distance, taken consideration of how massive the explosion and power it carries within. And Hiruzen's Doton technique is going to counter it you think? lol. The energy compressed within the blast is immense. Hiruzen's Doton is merely natural rocks. Its gonna blow him up to pieces.

Once again Hiruzen's Doton is not natural rocks, as I showed how what Kishimoto view rocks augments with chaka then regular floor/concreted.

Hiruzen has the feat to escape a dwarfing explosion, and the feats to use those elements with no hand signs. The Doton was merely meant for the TBB explosion to explode out of Hiruzen range, not over power it.

Ink Mist, Bee can use this jutsu to blind Hiruzen, and since the latter lacks sensory abilities to track him down. This gives Bee time to finish him off [

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Ink can spread through water which made it look like it did, but that counter is not happening on land. No such thing as Ink Mist.

Ink Clones, Hiruzen in this case, will be facing multiple opponents, and since Bee can have them manifest V1 or V2 cloak, their teamwork will overwhelm Hiruzen.

We have no idea of Inks Durability but I am pretty sure it has the same as Water clones. Just by its looks shows it cannot be a complete duplicate clone of the original.

Hiruzen's shadow clones are more superior, to even Naruto. Naruto's goes poof from a direct hit. Not Hiruzen

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Hiruzen has the best Bushin Fient in the series, shown (by durability)

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

Based on the last chapter of Hiruzen using all elements as well as the statement of hium knowing all Konoha jutsu and being Jiriya's teacher wouldn't Hiruzen be able to use Jiriya's Dark Swamp technique to prevent Killer Bee's Whirlwind while also restricting Killer Bee's tailed beast mode?

Just sayin...

 

[Bronze]

I will counter this some time later. Got homework presentation to get on with tomorrow.

 

[Latios]

Never heard this reference. Is this a diss?

Actually no. Kinda feel bad that they ganged up on you

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually no. Kinda feel bad that they ganged up on you

Oh, I'm Gucci tho

 

[TobiramaWaterStyle]

Also I know ABC logic doesn't work but Sasuke was beat in kenjutsu by Bee, Orochimaru most likely taught Sasuke how to use a sword and hiruzen beat Oro in kenjutsu so... Bee>Sasuke>Oro therefore Hiruzen>=Bee.

 

[Latios]

oh, i'm gucci tho

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