Edo Hiruzen vs Kakuzu
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super yang
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Hiruzen can use the same combos that kakuzu can, remember yamato & naruto combo? hiruzen doesn't have to ''stop halfway''. you attack A with Z & B with Y. Not A with A & B with B
actually fuu'ton can be used in a ''wall'' or a ''sweeping'' fashion to counter the 3 bolts of rai'ton.
remember hiruzen is a master of basic nuture manipulation by feats when he countered buddahs 5-point ''stream''
Yes but if he does that the wind heart is going to be occupied, Leading to a Raiton heart clash, where Kakuzu's versatility and multiple lightning bolts at once will easily overcome Hiruzens U_U End game.....
Then he fires Katon into the wall,
No, You can't just give him jutsu based on Hype anyways >.> He has no defensive fuuton
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No, there is no clash in my example, only an extinguishing & hiruzen is the one with the versatility
and hiruzen fire a sui'ton
what? I didn't give him any jutsu. hiruzen was using pure nature manipulation.
kakuzu is the guy constrained by a specific type of jutsu.
I like kakuzu just as much as you do, btw...
Yeah totally forgot about something.... Hmmmm Honestly It depends You know what **** this bringing out the big guns
If Kakuzu goes into a mode similar to these
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Hiruzen has absolutely no way to bypass Kakuzu's elements. And Once Kakuzu goes close range He obliterates him, He's basically a walking tank in this matchup. Hiruzen fires a jutsu, Kakuzu counters it, Not to mention if he goes into the long range mode he'll also have the benefit of his threads.Your point? That means he has mastery of the nature but he has no feats with mastery over the change in chakra form
And so youre not seeing the possibilities Kakuzu can do here...
But he would be able to pull it off. He would be able to use 5 clones and all 5 elements because an Edo can only preform up to what the alive form could. Notice in the fight with Orochimaru, Hiruzen never complained about chakra, not even once. He never mentioned his reserves were low, or that he was tired. His chakra was so strong it caused a dense effect on the atmosphere and made the roof tiles crack. Hiruzen did not get exhausted during his fight with Orochimaru, he just resorted to RDS when he knew he had to remove the soul because it would be pointless to waste chakra and continue the fight.
His frail body means nothing. Its all about his stamina reserves. I hate where the Hiruzen and Orochimaru fight took place. On a small building rooftop barriered off and he barely had room to fight, counter attack, and show that he can actually shunshin to dodge attacks and actually move around and is not some old frail sitting duck.
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again, hiruzen is the only counter-er, kakuzu cant switch elements
threads are counterd by shuriken kagebunshin(wind enhanced)
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if I said he could make a water dragon or fire rasengan, I'd be infringing on shape manip..
but pure nature trans. is just that...
What are you saying? But he'd have all the masks on his body? Meaning any jutsu fired at him is getting countered.... As he'd have the jutsu right there :|
Don't get what youre saying in that last part U_U
Hiruzen wins mid-high diff. His elemental blasts are huge, and they would negate the masks attacks like Hiruzen's clones negated the elemental attacks from the Buddha. What gives Hiruzen the advantage is that he himself can use all five elements, whilst Kakuzu can only use what element his heart has. Not to mention Enma as a summon would be a nice distraction or defense against Kakuzu's taijutsu. So either Hiruzen wins via wearing out Kakuzu, or via using raiton against Kakuzu when Kakuzu only has the doton mask in him.
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Hiruzen wins mid diff. All of his shadow clones have all the attacks in his arsenal which means they can use any kind of elemental attack at their convenience (just like how Naruto's shadow clones can use all his techs). And I don't see how Kakuzu and his hearts can react to the big shuriken shadow clone jutsu which Juubito himself had to put up a shield (instead of dodging) not to get impaled badly.
If this edo hiruzen is able to use all of konoha's jutsu then its even more in his favor.
If this edo hiruzen is able to use all of konoha's jutsu then its even more in his favor.
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TheAncientCenturion
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Read the manga noob. Orochimaru essentially tells us
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and it's something to comment on with him not using them.P.S. Happy Birthday.
they are relatively on par with each other,, since both of their arsenal is revolved around elemental attacks,,,,,
however,, hiruzen would win this battle mainly due to enma,,,,
--All the elemmental attacks are comparable for both of them however with hiiruzen being an edo here,, means thhat he can use them for longer periods of time,,
--Kakuzus Domu defense is overcomed by hiruzens enma shield and since it can extend itself,, it allows hiruzen to attack kakuzu effectively in mid/long range as well,,,
however,, hiruzen would win this battle mainly due to enma,,,,
--All the elemmental attacks are comparable for both of them however with hiiruzen being an edo here,, means thhat he can use them for longer periods of time,,
--Kakuzus Domu defense is overcomed by hiruzens enma shield and since it can extend itself,, it allows hiruzen to attack kakuzu effectively in mid/long range as well,,,
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This could go either way. But im learning more towards Kakazu since he's faster and has Doton armor.
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Lol, depth? The only thing that makes them special is that they don't look like the regular elemental blasts, hence they affect hit targets differently. Doesn't change the fact that Hiruzen's Elemental Jutsu take a giant shit on Kakuzu's due to his scale.
And don't say "Size doesn't matter" cause the manga disagrees with you. The bigger an elemental attack (Like HIruzen's or Kakuzu's) the stronger. Nor is Kakashi's Raikiri an excuse for you to say that Kakuzu's jutsu aren't worthless in front of Hiruzen. Kakuzu's jutsu are NO WHERE near the scale of Hiruzen's jutsu, not even close.
Lol, so you are telling me Hiruzen is going to lose, because you believe he won't use his elemental jutsu to counter based on nothing but assumptions? Lmao. If Kakuzu uses his Fuuton and Katon combo, Hiruzen makes clones and does the same thing..Kakuzu doesn't have special method, he simply fires them off at the same time. Nothing else.
Everytime Kakuzu uses an element, Hiruzen counters with its Bijuu+ sized counter element, which plows right through and obliterates the mask who used it.
Hiruzen wins mid diff.
Pretty sure someone already debunked this.
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Even if Hiruzen has larger elemental attacks; Kakuzu can actually mix his elemental attacks together in order to increase its quality. E.g: Katon and Futon. All Kakuzu needs to do is merge with his masks, and mix his own elements to overpower Hiruzen's.
Katon and Futon > Katon.
Suiton and Raiton > Suiton or Raiton or Doton.
Seeing as how Hiruzen lacks regeneration in this match-up, Kakuzu catches him via threads: [
Katon and Futon > Katon.
Suiton and Raiton > Suiton or Raiton or Doton.
Seeing as how Hiruzen lacks regeneration in this match-up, Kakuzu catches him via threads: [
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this is already debunked.whatever Kakuzu does is cancelled in a larger scale by hiruzen.threads cant affect hiruzen he is too fast.