Edo Hiruzen is stronger than "prime Hiruzen"

[Bogard]

I believe that contrary to the popular belief, Edo Hiruzen represents the strongest form of Hiruzen that we have ever seen, because:

- He has much more jutsu than "prime Hiruzen". I know that because if you notice during the Kyubi's attack, we see that Hiruzen was in a room with plenty of scrolls around him, even holding one, which shows he was still learning:

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He is labelled as the Professor, knowing every jutsu in the leaf, so it makes sense that time after time, he tried to learn some possibly new moves or mastering some others. It's even proven that Minato even taught him how to use Reaper Death seal. So like you can see, this is already an advantage that a older version of Hiruzen has over "prime Hiruzen". He has much more jutsus than him

- His problem against Orochimaru was

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. Because of this he couldn't fight for extended battles. But Edo tensei automatically cancells that weakness because it gives him

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, so basically it erases the weaknesses alive Hiruzen had when he was alive

So in the end, what do we have? A version of Hiruzen who has much more jutsus than "prime Hiruzen" with an undying body and unlimited chakra/stamina

- I also believe Kishi intends to show Hokages in their strongest form, so it's an occasion for him to show Hiruzen's real power thru this

PS: If you noticed i always put quotation marks around "prime Hiruzen". It's because we don't even know exactly when his prime was U_U

 

[reizon]

are you seriously comparing hiruzen withhh hiruzen..!!

 

[Shikamaru101]

True and plausible. I just hope Kishi shows us how powerful Hiruzen can be and does not troll him.

 

[snipeshot11385]

You can't be serious....

 

[Bogard]

True and plausible. I just hope Kishi shows us how powerful Hiruzen can be and does not troll him.

It's what i hope to see as well

You can't be serious....

Totally serious

 

[Aertes]

Partly,I have to agree....
It's only natural for a shinobi to get more experienced as he grows old.Unlimited chakra and an "eternal" body gives you the advantage.
But I think there are few things edo can't make up for against old age.First,it's the speed.It's only natural after a certain age that the body is strained an can't move as fast as it used to.Since edo resurrect you in your before dying state,I expect Hiruzen's speed to be lower than his "prime".
Also,reflexes...In this part too,old age can make a difference.Of course if you have unlimited chakra and can't die you automatically became OP,but I think that Hiruzen,in his old state edo form,has some disadvantages compared to younger edos.
For example edo Hiruzen could get defeated and sealed by edo Minato,or normal Minato fairly easy, cause Minato can beat him in speed and seal him in no time.But in his "prime state" he could have a better chance against a ninja like Minato,due to better speed and reflexes.
But in general,we could say that edo Hiruzen is stronger than prime Hiruzen.

 

[roncato]

I guess, prime Hiruzen was about 10years ago after his meeting with Orochimaru(when they fought) Oro said that.

 

[Tec]

are you seriously comparing hiruzen withhh hiruzen..!!

Rofl, I know it's ridiculous right

 

[Bogard]

Partly,I have to agree....
It's only natural for a shinobi to get more experienced as he grows old.Unlimited chakra and an "eternal" body gives you the advantage.
But I think there are few things edo can't make up for against old age.First,it's the speed.It's only natural after a certain age that the body is strained an can't move as fast as it used to.Since edo resurrect you in your before dying state,I expect Hiruzen's speed to be lower than his "prime".
Also,reflexes...In this part too,old age can make a difference.Of course if you have unlimited chakra and can't die you automatically became OP,but I think that Hiruzen,in his old state edo form,has some disadvantages compared to younger edos.
For example edo Hiruzen could get defeated and sealed by edo Minato,or normal Minato fairly easy, cause Minato can beat him in speed and seal him in no time.But in his "prime state" he could have a better chance against a ninja like Minato,due to better speed and reflexes.
But in general,we could say that edo Hiruzen is stronger than prime Hiruzen.

Concerning speed/reflexes you forget that we're in a manga, not real life. Just look at Kakuzu. He was 91 when he died, but seemed to have no speed/reflexes problems. Onoki as well. In fact Deidara even noticed he was faster than before(when he was older than hiruzen). When Kakashi almost got the title of kage, the guys were saying he was too young(when the guy is 30), so it seems that real life doesn't apply to manga, but all in all i agree smh with your post

 

[Invsblphntm]

No.

You're wrong.

That's like saying the Nagato we saw when was first reanimated was "prime" Nagato. It's not.

Nagato's meteor and Shinra Tensei were both weakened by his bad condition. Hiruzen's jutsu won't be on the same scale as they would be in his youth. Add to that his body is slower and weaker... well Hiruzen isn't close to his prime.

 

[Bogard]

No.

You're wrong.

That's like saying the Nagato we saw when was first reanimated was "prime" Nagato. It's not.

Nagato's meteor and Shinra Tensei were both weakened by his bad condition. Hiruzen's jutsu won't be on the same scale as they would be in his youth.

This isn't really the same thing. Nagato's body was crippled from the start even when he was alive by Hanzo's fire technique. It's because of this he had physical problems

Add to that his body is slower and weaker... well Hiruzen isn't close to his prime.

There is absolute no evidence that his body is slower. Only stamina problem was talked about while fighting Orochimaru. Onoki is much older than Hiruzen when he died but was noted to be faster than before by Deidara. So in fact from Deidara's point of view, old Onoki was faster than a younger Onoki. Age doesn't necessarly mean reduce of capacities in this manga. Even in old age, you can become stronger. Onoki or Kakuzu(91) are great examples of this

 

[johnny335704]

I hope Edo Hiruzen will put a good show good this time. He won;t lack chakra/stamina in edo form.

 

[AirYeezy]

madara will still rape

 

[Lucidus]

this is true... however in all honesty any person being an edo would be better than themselves when they were alive ( lol if u get what im saying xD)

 

[Mithril]

i dont know about the jutsu part
and i dont think that he will be as fast/strong(physically) as in his prime he still has the body of an old man
the unlimited chackra and stamina and the undyind body are the only feats he gets from the edo tensei
if that is enough to overcome his prime than he does but we couldnt know because we have never seen him fighting in his prime

 

[Bogard]

this is true... however in all honesty any person being an edo would be better than themselves when they were alive ( lol if u get what im saying xD)

Haha maybe, maybe not

i dont know about the jutsu part
and i dont think that he will be as fast/strong(physically) as in his prime he still has the body of an old man
the unlimited chackra and stamina and the undyind body are the only feats he gets from the edo tensei
if that is enough to overcome his prime than he does but we couldnt know because we have never seen him fighting in his prime

"Prime hiruzen" didn't have RDS since he waited Minato to teach him that. That alone is already a proof old Hiruzen had more jutsus

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Wait Wait Wait....Stop the F**king presses.Do you mean to tell me an Edo version of a shinobi is stronger than the human version.Oh Great Lord of Sky and Earth, How did you come up with such an ingenious revelation?

 

[Invsblphntm]

This isn't really the same thing. Nagato's body was crippled from the start even when he was alive by Hanzo's fire technique. It's because of this he had physical problems

There is absolute no evidence that his body is slower. Only stamina problem was talked about while fighting Orochimaru. Onoki is much older than Hiruzen when he died but was noted to be faster than before by Deidara. So in fact from Deidara's point of view, old Onoki was faster than a younger Onoki. Age doesn't necessarly mean reduce of capacities in this manga. Even in old age, you can become stronger. Onoki or Kakuzu(91) are great examples of this

Actually, it is the same thing. Nagato is in a body lackin chakra, same with Hiruzen. Unlimited chakra, not infinite chakra. Hiruzen struggled making Kage Bunshins and he is brought back in the same state noted to be worthless compared to his prime.

The difference is Onoki flys and Hiruzen runs. His flight speed shouldn't change because of age, but his running speed sure as hell will. And Kakuzu is clearly a different case seeing as literally no one has commented on his age making him weaker.

 

[S A G E]

Somewhat true but not completely.
In terms of unlimited chakra and incapable of receiving mortal wounds, then edo is greater.
However even with this edo summon, the hokages are only almost full power not quite 100% according to Tobirama, so prime hiruzens jutsu maybe a bit stronger

 

[Exaar]

Edo Hiruzen is the strongest form of Hiruzen we've seen because all we've seen is old Hiruzen.

But Prime > Edo, Edo Still has all the weaknesses the Old one has, Lower overall chakra, Weaker chakra, Lower physical strength, Lower speed and so on.

While Him being edo Does solve the stamina problem to an extent, he still cannot use Powerful Jutsu's because of his lack of chakra, He has unlimited chakra but only "3" stats worth of unlimited chakra while in his prime it's likely his chakra levels would get a "5", The difference between a "3" and "5" in chakra can be massive. Meaning unlike his Prime he will struggle to make a decent amount of clones, Use Large scale attacks and so on.