1- edos can't be work out or tired
OT- I'd say madaras loss was more of an embarrassment. He went after hashi with a strategy and intent to kill yet he still lost. Hashi as edo, like you said, isn't at full power. Also madara was beyond his prime. I consider madara as ems when I put him on lists. He was a dead man revived back to his youth with his rinnegan that wasn't unlocked at that age
Hashirama has always been stronger than Madara even as kids.....but I believe Madara got jealous of steady losing so he deciphered the tablet and stole every power up he recieved...kinda reminds me of Obama
ok i'm a fan of both but, you didn't need to make up stuff about Hashirama being an edo like saying "80% powered Hashi" since the Manga didn't exactly say how weaker he was in that Edo form (it could be 90%, it could even be 95%).
now if you are asking which defeat was more humiliating/a "disgrace", then i must give it to Madara, he owned Hashirama in their last encounter with ONE move.
in their original states, they were almost even (Hashi of course had an edge) and they did fight for a whole day/night in their previous legendary fight which means that it wasn't an easy fight for both sides.
Neither there is no shame in defeat if you gave your best. Madara lost to Hashirama at Vote, but Hashirama nearly lost his life. Hashirama lost to Madara because he thought that the fight was over. There is no disgrace.... They highly respect the ability of the other. Also highly respected each other....though I feel Madara has lost his respect for Hashirama.
1- edos can't be work out or tired
OT- I'd say madaras loss was more of an embarrassment. He went after hashi with a strategy and intent to kill yet he still lost. Hashi as edo, like you said, isn't at full power. Also madara was beyond his prime. I consider madara as ems when I put him on lists. He was a dead man revived back to his youth with his rinnegan that wasn't unlocked at that age
Sorry but edo get tired and also run out of chakra
I'd link scans but i cant be bothered to so... i think tobirama or minato said something about running out of chakra ( hashirama was panting in edo form and worn out - could argue that he had rods in his back but still he did get worn out.)
1- edos can't be work out or tired
OT- I'd say madaras loss was more of an embarrassment. He went after hashi with a strategy and intent to kill yet he still lost. Hashi as edo, like you said, isn't at full power. Also madara was beyond his prime. I consider madara as ems when I put him on lists. He was a dead man revived back to his youth with his rinnegan that wasn't unlocked at that age
Hashirama has always been stronger than Madara even as kids.....but I believe Madara got jealous of steady losing so he deciphered the tablet and stole every power up he recieved...kinda reminds me of Obama
Sorry but edo get tired and also run out of chakra
I'd link scans but i cant be bothered to so... i think tobirama or minato said something about running out of chakra ( hashirama was panting in edo form and worn out - could argue that he had rods in his back but still he did get worn out.)
1- edos can't be work out or tired
OT- I'd say madaras loss was more of an embarrassment. He went after hashi with a strategy and intent to kill yet he still lost. Hashi as edo, like you said, isn't at full power. Also madara was beyond his prime. I consider madara as ems when I put him on lists. He was a dead man revived back to his youth with his rinnegan that wasn't unlocked at that age
"Panting" is more like a way to portray a character in a difficult situation/struggling (not necessarily tired/out of chakra), the only solid proof would be NOT being able to produce Jutsu/fight.
as for Muu, he couldn't use "dust release" because his total power/chakra pool was split in half.
no offence but, if you get/understood that concept you wouldn't have mentioned him as proof.
he wasnt pwned hard.they fought on equal grounds.hashi defeated madara at a very high difficulty.he even collapsed right after the fight which shows hashi barely beat madara. saying that hashi humiliated and pawned madara is really just wanking and fanboying.
on the other hand edo madara did pwn hashirama and even took his powers Lol
"Panting" is more like a way to portray a character in a difficult situation/struggling, the only solid proof would be NOT being able to produce Jutsu.
as for Muu, he couldn't use "dust release" because his total power/chakra pool was split in half.
no offence but, if you get/understood that concept you wouldn't have mentioned him as proof.
Dude I think OPs point was that while Edo bodies do have "unlimited chakra" in the sense that it will come back to them eventually, they are capable of running out as it clearly doesn't come back right away
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Minato stated that not only the tree, but the use of his own jutsu caused his chakra to run low. We didn't see him use another jutsu for some time after that. So yes his chakra came back, but there was a period of time where he had run out. Hence Edo bodies can indeed run out of chakra.
As far as "panting" goes, yes that is also a result of getting tired. When you pant you breath with short, quick breaths. Which all basically happens when your body gets overheated from physical activity. A chess player locked in a close game is also in a difficult/struggling situation, but they aren't physically tired, so they don't pant. They might sweat a little, but you wont see them panting. Hyperventilating maybe, but that is the opposite of panting.
OT: I think both defeats were a disgrace for Madara. In life, Madara had tried to beat Hashirama countless times. The VOTE fight was their last. After so many cracks at fighting the same guy, you'd think he would've won at least once. And as Edos, it took upgrades, powerups and more to beat an Edo who couldn't quite fight at his full strength, but still managed to put up a good fight for quite some time. Nothing to really be proud of. Madara is a badass though don't get me wrong, but Hashirama has more of my respect
"Panting" is more like a way to portray a character in a difficult situation/struggling (not necessarily tired/out of chakra), the only solid proof would be NOT being able to produce Jutsu/fight.
as for Muu, he couldn't use "dust release" because his total power/chakra pool was split in half.
no offence but, if you get/understood that concept you wouldn't have mentioned him as proof.
If Edo Tensei bodies don't tire, that effect of Jouki Boy wouldn't apply. And really? That's your argument? "Panting means dramatic situation?" So no one ever pants in the manga because they'e tired? Do better, or don't.
