By Nice Haku do you mean the one who was given an order to do something by someone who he'd ever disobey? When you say nice are you trying to insinuate that he wanted to be slammed in the face by base part one Naruto? Being nice may change the fact that he wasn't looking for a killing blow on offense but has nothing to do with his defensive and speed feats.
Please let me know when he was keeping up with WA Kakashi in any way possible in terms of speed, if you're going to use his attack on Sai who was completely unaware of Haku's abilities (yet still wasn't harmed) than your argument is even worse.
War arc Kakashi (the fastest version with sharingan) after Blitzing was intercepted instantly at the last second (literally) and He had no idea despite having Sharingan Recog. This for a fact shows he's too fast for the sharingan and faster then kakashi's striking speed.
Haku when nice doesn't fight to kill (manga fact), But easily has the ability to kill almost instantly when serious. He literally can free any bomb including a wing of C2 dragon. This is simple a bad match up for deidara. I have too much to go off of to beat him it isn't even funny. Counters literally every jutsu he has shown except C0.
War arc Kakashi (the fastest version with sharingan) after Blitzing was intercepted instantly at the last second (literally) and He had no idea despite having Sharingan Recog. This for a fact shows he's too fast for the sharingan and faster then kakashi's striking speed.
Haku when nice doesn't fight to kill (manga fact), But easily has the ability to kill almost instantly when serious. He literally can free any bomb including a wing of C2 dragon. This is simple a bad match up for deidara. I have too much to go off of to beat him it isn't even funny. Counters literally every jutsu he has shown except C0.
He's not an ice bender and can't freeze clay as its not the same as air so even if we did believe this all he could do is coat objects with ice, which isn't very useful.
:lol Kakashi clearly said the first strike was his, it wasn't his fastest speed as he thought he had a clear opening and didn't want to alert Zabuza or have him see him. Kakashi wasn't looking for Haku he come unknowingly hence why Kakshi didn't react.
Lol she. Anyway. Don't agree on ice shields tanking C2 missiles. A C2 explosion tore of Sasuke's wing in CM2. CM2 is much more durable than ice b/c it let Kimimaro survive a giant sand coffin as well as letting Jugo tank an otherwise fatal punch from Raikage. Ice's best feat is tanking a bunch of paper bombs (paper bombs can't even blow up Nagato's legs.)
How does Deidara successfully burry the clay mines, especially while Haku has full intel? Soon as the dragon spits the mines out, they'll be destroyed by her 1,000 needles technique. Giving the looming threat of Haku spawning anywhere she pleases at any time, executing this strategy will be extremely difficult for Deidara.
When did Sai blitz Deidara lol? This is the guy who was running away from all of Team Gai without arms. If Haku tries to blindside Deidara like he did to Sai then Deidara just throws a bunch of C1 bugs in his direction the same way he managed to fend off Sasuke.
Since when was Haku fast enough to escape C3's giant aoe? If he transports into the sky he's in Deidara's territory anyway and gets bombed by clay birds.
Soon as C3 is about to be dropped, Haku simply spawns herself right behind Deidara, where we can revisit my point above. Also with freezing air, the clay bird should gradually loses it's mobility, where flight becomes more difficult. C1 is tanked, C2, C3, and C4 are avoided/countered easily. Again, don't see how Edo Haku could possibly lose.
He's not an ice bender and can't freeze clay as its not the same as air so even if we did believe this all he could do is coat objects with ice, which isn't very useful.
:lol Kakashi clearly said the first strike was his, it wasn't his fastest speed as he thought he had a clear opening and didn't want to alert Zabuza or have him see him. Kakashi wasn't looking for Haku he come unknowingly hence why Kakshi didn't react.
He can create Snow and Ice from nothing yet you think He cannot freeze anything. lol Where is your proof to say Clay cannot be frozen? Clay is easily frozen and easily dealt with no diff.
SO snap you must be Kishi sama himself huh? Because clearly you have zero proof he wasn't going his fastest! Like literally nothing but what you hope it to be. Kakshi has never ever half assed a serious life or death battle! Whether he was "looking for haku" or not isn't the point if you know anything about the Sharingan! It is all about line of sight and precog (fact!) his sharingan should have and for a fact did see Haku enter his LOS but yet couldn't comprehend it till after he hit Haku.
He can create Snow and Ice from nothing yet you think He cannot freeze anything. lol Where is your proof to say Clay cannot be frozen? Clay is easily frozen and easily dealt with no diff.
SO snap you must be Kishi sama himself huh? Because clearly you have zero proof he wasn't going his fastest! Like literally nothing but what you hope it to be. Kakshi has never ever half assed a serious life or death battle! Whether he was "looking for haku" or not isn't the point if you know anything about the Sharingan! It is all about line of sight and precog (fact!) his sharingan should have and for a fact did see Haku enter his LOS but yet couldn't comprehend it till after he hit Haku.
^Same situation when Kakashi thought he had Hidan dead to rights,
But I can't argue with you Haku fanboys :lol its literally the worst. Once again Draegod; creating snow/ice can never happen "out of nothing" air contains hydrogen and oxygen, and that's why he can do it and that is all his technique has been shown to do there is a difference between freezing something and coating something with Ice.
People still seem to be under the impression that the guy who Wave Arc Sasuke was able to keep up with is fast. Yes, Haku was able to blindside Sai with his mirrors. But that doesn't mean much when Sai was able to defend whilst getting no injuries. Then there's the fact that Guy and Lee were able to intercept him at his fastest, while in base.
Meanwhile we have an armless Deidara managing to retreat from Team Gai and survive. The same Deidara who is able to react to Hebi Sasuke multiple times. The simple fact is Haku's speed is nothing notable without the mirrors, and nothing Deidara hasn't dealt with before even with the mirrors. If Haku tries to blindside him like he did with Sai, he gets a
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for his troubles. Or he substitutes with a clay clone that may or may not explode.
Haku has no way of forcing Deidara into his circle of mirrors, whereas Deidara can just go up on one of his C1 birds, and, with full intel on Haku's mirrors, bait him into trying to attack him from above, where he can trap both
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. On the other hand, if Haku decides to stay on the ground, he not only has less chance of hitting Deidara with his needles, but he also gets bombarded with
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and spiders.
As for freezing the bombs, I don't see how freezing them stops Deidara from detonating them. At the end of the day it's still his explosive chakra that's causing the explosion, and considering Haku does not possess Raiton, he can't nullify the bomb's detonation.
Deidara stomps, C4 (while a viable option) is not needed. Especially not when Deidara can substitute himself with an exploding clone.
Honestly, Haku is such a better character believing she's a girl. Alright, then she simply dodges C2 missiles.
How does Deidara successfully burry the clay mines, especially while Haku has full intel? Soon as the dragon spits the mines out, they'll be destroyed by her 1,000 needles technique. Giving the looming threat of Haku spawning anywhere she pleases at any time, executing this strategy will be extremely difficult for Deidara.
A clay clone can use hiding like a mole to go underground and place the bombs. How do needles destroy the mines as soon as the dragon spits it out? Haku can follow the clay clone underground to kill it I guess, but then Deidara just drops C3 on the battlefield and it's GG.
Different from a blitz, Deidara and Sasori clearly reacted but Sai's attack had a large enough AOE that the bird couldn't fly out of the way in time. The C1 bombs and the needles would at least cancel each other out the same way Chidori senbon did, don't you think? His needles wouldn't have the same piercing power if they have to go through a clay target first. Or Deidara just keeps a C2 bird at the ready in the palm of his hand, and throws it at Haku to counterattack. While Deidara gets a back full of needles, Haku gets blown up.
There's also the strategy of feinting out Haku with a clay clone, then killing him with C4 bombs, which almost worked against Sasuke [
Soon as C3 is about to be dropped, Haku simply spawns herself right behind Deidara, where we can revisit my point above. Also with freezing air, the clay bird should gradually loses it's mobility, where flight becomes more difficult. C1 is tanked, C2, C3, and C4 are avoided/countered easily. Again, don't see how Edo Haku could possibly lose.
I don't get where this "spawning oneself" is coming from. Haku has to create an ice mirror and physically jump to Deidara's height. Deidara will see him coming and release a C2 bird at him which he can't evade (since he can't dodge in the air.) Or Deidara could just fly much higher and nuke him from a height which Haku can't jump to.
Also he could only read Haku's movmenets because he was slowing down due to running low on chakra because haku went easy on him and naruto.
Haku with full intent to kill stomps wave arc sasuke with ease. Sasuke is not tracking Haku's speed between mirrors unless haku drags the battle out to the point he starts running low on chakra. Haku's speed between mirrors in insane, He moves so fast to him the outside world is moving in slow motion. It's actually pretty broken in terms of speed, Even in part 2 standards.
A clay clone can use hiding like a mole to go underground and place the bombs. How do needles destroy the mines as soon as the dragon spits it out? Haku can follow the clay clone underground to kill it I guess, but then Deidara just drops C3 on the battlefield and it's GG.
]. With full intel, there is no way that Haku sits and watches while Deidara creates his C2 Dragon--> spits out mines--> creates a clay clone-->Deidara goes aerial-->clay clone burries the mines-->drops C3 on Haku. That's way too convenient, and takes no consideration in what the opposition can do in this time frame. I'll explain to you how the mirrors work in the other quote. Haku will never let this be executed.
Different from a blitz, Deidara and Sasori clearly reacted but Sai's attack had a large enough AOE that the bird couldn't fly out of the way in time. The C1 bombs and the needles would at least cancel each other out the same way Chidori senbon did, don't you think? His needles wouldn't have the same piercing power if they have to go through a clay target first. Or Deidara just keeps a C2 bird at the ready in the palm of his hand, and throws it at Haku to counterattack. While Deidara gets a back full of needles, Haku gets blown up.
There's also the strategy of feinting out Haku with a clay clone, then killing him with C4 bombs, which almost worked against Sasuke [
Uhh... No. Deidara was stairing right at Sai the entire time, even as he began to draw out his ink bird. Sai draws it, and ends up right behind them both, before they were able to physically react. There is no possible way to fabricate what occured there. I don't see how those tiny C1 insects cancells out the penetrative power of Haku's needles, when they penetrated cleanly through Zabuzas neck [
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] - which is a whole lot more thicker, and should easily be more durable. Or alternatively, Haku allows the C1 bombs to explode on her mirror, where it get's tanked, and then uses the smoke to hide the needle attack, nailing Deidara in his acupuncture point to knock him out.
A fodder snake summon was capable of protecting Sasuke from that C2 bird explosion. I have no reason to believe it'll blow Haku up through her ice, which is capable of tanking Katon and a plethora of paper bombs with zero damage. Not to mention, this'll probably be a bad idea, as Deidara would be caught inbetween the blast as well, considering Haku would spawn like 5-10 meters away. And while a Deidara gets a back full of needles? Are you even aware that, that would equate to Deidaras demise? Haku knows where all the bodies acupuncture points are [
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]. That'll temporarily knock him out, where Haku easily finishes the job.
There is no point for Haku to come in physical contact with Deidara or the clay clone, so the odds of that ever happening is very slim. But as I mentioned previously, freezing air and/or merging with Ice Mirror would completely negate C4.
I don't get where this "spawning oneself" is coming from. Haku has to create an ice mirror and physically jump to Deidara's height. Deidara will see him coming and release a C2 bird at him which he can't evade (since he can't dodge in the air.) Or Deidara could just fly much higher and nuke him from a height which Haku can't jump to.
Using the mirrors reflection, Haku transports herself at an extremely fast speed [
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Databook I said:
Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals (魔鏡氷晶, Makyou Hyoushou)
Kekkei Genkai, No rank, Offensive, Close to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Haku
The abominable and tremendous ability, passed down only within Haku's clan... The "Kekkei Genkai: Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals" is a technique wrapped up in many mysteries. Only one thing is clear: it is said that no method in existence can defeat this technique. In an instant, multiple mirrors of ice are created around the enemy, reflecting nothing but Haku. For Haku, it's possible to move between the mirrors at the speed of light. It's impossible to see attacks send out from this literal light speed movement. For the opponent, nothing is left but to wait in amazement.
↓Every single ice mirror shows Haku's reflection!? Under these circumstances, one could say it's impossible to see all of Haku's attacks.
[picture of Sasuke being surrounded by mirrors reflecting Haku]
The technique carved in cursed blood
Inside the demonic mirrors is Haku's phantom world!!
[picture of Naruto's Shadow Clones being defeated by Haku]
←Naruto tries to attack the real body, but the moment after he starts his attack, Haku has already moved to another mirror.
Haku didn't physically jump from the ground into the clouds, lmao. She travelled from
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, which can be spawned anywhere within sight, as displayed against Sai. So Haku would only have to replicate this feat in order to avoid C3. No way is Deidara tracking Haku and noticing her spawning behind him, given the databook statement of it's speed, the fact that Sai and the other two didn't notice, as well as Deidara cannonically getting caught from behind not just once (by Sai), but twice [
Also he could only read Haku's movmenets because he was slowing down due to running low on chakra because haku went easy on him and naruto.
Haku with full intent to kill stomps wave arc sasuke with ease. Sasuke is not tracking Haku's speed between mirrors unless haku drags the battle out to the point he starts running low on chakra. Haku's speed between mirrors in insane, He moves so fast to him the outside world is moving in slow motion. It's actually pretty broken in terms of speed, Even in part 2 standards.
I assumed it was considering it seemed to be bigger and more lethal then an ordinary C1. Either way the strategy doesn't work. Beans is suggesting that Deidara detonates a C2 within a 5-10m range between him and Haku. It'll be a lot more costly to Deidara, then it will be against Edo Haku.
