Edo BM Minato vs Edo Itachi

[pateuvasiliu]

Obito isn't faster than Minato.

FTG > all.

He just has better reflexes in his Juubito form.

 

[Optimistic]

I think Draphsin made a better edit just saying.Lol

Minato wins mid-high difficulty.

 

[Strict]

Obito isn't faster than Minato.

FTG > all.

He just has better reflexes in his Juubito form.

Reflexes are useless against Genjutsu, since you don't know when they are used and can't react on them.
The statement of Kakashi, that Tsukuyomi affects you instantly and the entry of the Databook, that a body with the speed of light won't prevent you from Tsukuyomi is still valid. I'm sorry that Manga + Databook > assumptions.

 

[Minator93]

Reflexes are useless against Genjutsu, since you don't know when they are used and can't react on them.
The statement of Kakashi, that Tsukuyomi affects you instantly and the entry of the Databook, that a body with the speed of light won't prevent you from Tsukuyomi is still valid. I'm sorry that Manga + Databook > assumptions.

Shadow Clone shits on Genjutsu
Perfect Jinchuriki shits on Gemjutsu

Minato shits on Itachi

as simple as that U_U

 

[Draphsin]

Well it seems you're still too slow U_U

More shots fired? sorry dude, this doesn't effect me.

Obito was flying but still fell for BM Minato's range. A range so big that even Bijjus look like insects

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So saving a frog from this range via cloak is nothing, Also in this range Itachi is competently fvked

This is your counter to ama? What does this even mean?

1. Why did you add kunai to the image?

2. How does the range play a factor into this?

3. Are you suggesting that minato can use his chakra to teleport the frog?

I'm just trying to get this straight, because I literally have no idea what your point was. Minato can save the toads? How exactly?

Minato with reverse summon? Again a proof that you're dim-witted, that frog goes back to toad-land with a marking on it. And that's when Minato's clone teleports away with Itachi.

I meant reverse summoning the toad back, it takes longer to summon & reverse summon the toad than to cast a simple ama, the toad will be hit within this time & is now dead or dying. Yes he may have a mark but he's dying & will be smolders before you know it, not to mention he would set the toad oil on fire (which would be flammable) so GG to that strategy, lol.

Itachi with Rib-cage Susanoo Lel BM Minato clone would crush that susanoo like Obito did here

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This is where i stop taking you seriously, comparing obito's strength to minato's? No wonder you're so garbage at debating

and then dip him in that oil. Minato's clone can do this with his chakra arms. Heck other frogs from that land would come to his aid with sound genjutsu Lel

Other frogs?? LOL prove that the frogs are even friendly, holy jesus this is bad! xD As they're doing this ribcage is out, then it develops into another susanoo.

You thinking that Itachi tanking all that, Itachi having no chakra exertion is laughable, so wank on and hate on as always Mr Dim-witted.

Tanking all what? getting dipped in some oil? That's your big counter? lmfao the funny thing is that once itachi frees himself of the oil & kills the clone/summons then minato can't get back to him.

I may not be a good debater, but you certainly are an ass sir

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All I needed to hear

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But Minato wouldn't need to do this shit as he can seal Itachi in one touch.

Feats or more of your bullsh*t.

 

[Minator93]

More shots fired? sorry dude, this doesn't effect me.



This is your counter to ama? What does this even mean?

1. Why did you add kunai to the image?

2. How does the range play a factor into this?

3. Are you suggesting that minato can use his chakra to teleport the frog?

I'm just trying to get this straight, because I literally have no idea what your point was. Minato can save the toads? How exactly?



I meant reverse summoning the toad back, it takes longer to summon & reverse summon the toad than to cast a simple ama, the toad will be hit within this time & is now dead or dying. Yes he may have a mark but he's dying & will be smolders before you know it, not to mention he would set the toad oil on fire (which would be flammable) so GG to that strategy, lol.



This is where i stop taking you seriously, comparing obito's strength to minato's? No wonder you're so garbage at debating



Other frogs?? LOL prove that the frogs are even friendly, holy jesus this is bad! xD As they're doing this ribcage is out, then it develops into another susanoo.



Tanking all what? getting dipped in some oil? That's your big counter? lmfao the funny thing is that once itachi frees himself of the oil & kills the clone/summons then minato can't get back to him.



All I needed to hear

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Feats or more of your bullsh*t.

No wonder it doesn't effect you Since you're really that slow I'' break it down to you

1. Minato has too many counters for Ama
(i) Speed
(ii) FTG
(iii) FTG Swap with a clone

Q: How Minato saves a frog from Ama?
Ans: Minato takes that frog inside of his BM cloak where Itachi can't enter or directly hit the frog with Ama as the cloak simply tanks that shit. Minato then marks that frog whilst he's in the cloak and that frog then goes back to taod land with no shits given to Itachi

FAQ: Can BM Minato tank Itachi's Yasaka Matagama or other attacks like Ama?
Ans: As I remember BM Naruto tanked Juubi's TB beam and no attack in Itachi's arsenal even comes close to that U_U

I wasn't suggesting Minato using his chakra to teleport the frog but to protect him via his clone.

Q:About Those Kunai
Ans: I got that image off of internet, wasn't my doing but it certainly explains Minato's range U_U


As shown the frog isn't dying or anything, Minato's clone uses the massive range as shown and garbs Itachi and teleports to Toad land w/out Susanoo [as explained in earlier posts]

You said Itachi uses Ama on the oil as soon as he gets their. And you asked me the proof of other toads being friendly to Minato the known fourth Hokage who has a contract with all of them and his name on the register. LET ME ask you something how does Itachi even realize what the oil does?? Before that happens its too late for him. Again shows your bias.


BM Minato not having the strength to crush a rib-cage Susanoo?? you really are an ass Lol In BM Naruto tossed bijjus around with his mere hands and tails so crushing a rib-cage Susanoo is nothing to him. Also that pic shows how Obito grabbed his face so the eyes are shut. Minato Clones does the same with BM chakra arms U_U

Calling me garbage at debating? Lel you're even worse than garbage U_U

Saying that Itachi spawns another ribcage whilst his current rib-cage Susanoo is being broken/ is half broken?? Lol this guy went full retard, firstly you need one Susanoo deactivated completely before you spawn another and if you think otherwise then POST a friggin scan.

And by your shit logic it suggests that Itachi has zero chakra loss with all his Susanoos.

Itachi isn't freeing himself from anything, all that awaits him is sealing and death U_U

You've been owned as always, you didn't even know about FTG's workings and thought to debate against me with Minato Lol And like last time you're crying about scans and you said that Minato used FTG Kuanis to come to the battlefield first, when I explained how it all went you became bitter as you're now..

A quick recap on how the debate between us goes:

1. You write something [not knowing the full extent of the things or how it really is]
2. I counter it whilst thinking how can this guy not even know that thing.
3. You bitch about scans or proof for a post or two
4. I provide that hoping you'd understand it
5. You then completely ignore that part and start another shit and I repeat the process

but you never go back to the part where you've been proven wrong and try to drag to then pointless debate. And hence knowing all that I avoid getting in a debate with you, it's not that I don't enjoys owing you or anything but its all a waste because you always become bitter.

 

[Mellanoma]

Obito isn't faster than Minato.

FTG > all.

He just has better reflexes in his Juubito form.

FTG is only as fast as the user can responde to an attack IE... Obito planting a bomb on his shoulder without him know it

 

[Steinbiz]

FTG is only as fast as the user can responde to an attack IE... Obito planting a bomb on his shoulder without him know it

Do you REALLY want to make this argument right now?

So Minato is currently fighting someone who has the power of the 10 tails inside him(a.k.a. a GOD). Yet you critisize him for being slower? Of course he's slower, he fighting the 10 tails jinchuuriki, and by the way, is doing a damn good job doing it too. Plus do you think Itachi would have the reaction time to avoid something like that? Hell no! SM Kabuto caught him by surprise easily several times. Forget Juubito.

Minato >> Itachi
BM Minato >>>>> Itachi

 

[Mellanoma]

Do you REALLY want to make this argument right now?

So Minato is currently fighting someone who has the power of the 10 tails inside him(a.k.a. a GOD). Yet you critisize him for being slower? Of course he's slower, he fighting the 10 tails jinchuuriki, and by the way, is doing a damn good job doing it too. Plus do you think Itachi would have the reaction time to avoid something like that? Hell no! SM Kabuto caught him by surprise easily several times. Forget Juubito.

Minato >> Itachi
BM Minato >>>>> Itachi

You didn't read why I made that comment... the person i was responding too was giving Minato credit for what Obito did in that image. Slap yourself

 

[KidGamer65]

Did I just see 2 people say Edo Itachi beats Edo Minato with NO restrictions?

That Minato will teleport Itachi out of Susanoo, is rather theory. When Minato used Hiraishin on Naruto, while latter was grabbing Sasuke, Sasuke was transmitted together with Susanoo [1]. The user is connected to Susanoo until forcefully isolated, as it was the case by Gaara, who pulled Madara out while holding Susanoo with his sand.

-Why would he attempt to even teleport Sasuke out of his Susanoo? We've already seen that Hiraishin users can choose what they teleport with them. Not to mention Susanoo was gone when they appeared and the flicker was left behind. Most likely cause it had already been smashed open by Obito.

-The sheer fact that Gaara was able to separate the two despite there being a connection is evidence that shows that Minato can separate the user from his Susanoo via Hiraishin. If the connection was like you believe, Gaara would never have been able to pull him out of it whether he held Susanoo down or not.

 

[Strict]

It's still not explained to 100% how Minato teleported Kyuubi away through Gamabunta. It could also be possible that Minato used the time in which Gamabunta hold Kyuubi down, to create a barrier around this whole area (probably around his marked Kunai), in which he can decide what to teleport away. Just like Juubi's huge Bijuudama, which Minato did probably not touch but created a s/t field which teleported the Bijuudama away to another location. Minato can teleport things away which are connected to him or his Chakra. The only other option left is, that Minato smh. let his Chakra flow through Gamabunta, to touch Kyuubi and teleport him away. But is this actually safe to say, KG?

Minato did also teleport away Gamakichi with Sasuke and Naruto standing on him, yes. But these are two different things to teleport an object away together with the objects standing on the object which is teleported, and assuming Minato could teleport objects which are isolated by another object. That would expect that Minato lets his Chakra flow through this object and touches the object behind with his Chakra.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's still not explained to 100% how Minato teleported Kyuubi away through Gamabunta. It could also be possible that Minato used the time in which Gamabunta hold Kyuubi down, to create a barrier around this whole area, in which he can decide what to teleport away. Just like Juubi's huge Bijuudama, which Minato did probably not touch but created a s/t field which teleported the Bijuudama away to another location. Minato can teleport things away which are connected to him or his Chakra. The only other option left is, that Minato smh. let his Chakra flow through Gamabunta, to touch Kyuubi and teleport him away. But is this actually safe to say, KG?

When Minato touches something, it seems that his chakra is also touching the thing that he is touching. He was touching Gamabunta, who was touching Kurama. So I guess his chakra was indirectly touching Kurama through Gamabunta. This is the most likely and probably the factual answer as Minato

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Whenever Minato has been shown to create a barrier via related to Hiraishin, he uses his marked Kunai, which he didn't do when he warped Kurama away through Gamabunta. It was never even showed that he used a barrier.

 

[Bogard]

@Strict

It's the same thing he did here

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It's a simple chakra connection

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He was connected to Gamabunta who was connected to the Kyubi

Like here for example

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[Strict]

Couldn't Minato actually use the ground as a medium, to let his Chakra flow through it and touch objects standing in his near surroundings with his Chakra, in order to teleport them away? Or is it defined which object (Gamabunta, Gmakichi) can act as a medium to let Minato's Chakra flow through it? Why couldn't he teleport Hiruzen? Because his Chakra wasn't touching Hiruzen. But how was Minato's Chakra touching Kyuubi then, or Juubi's Bijuudama? It's legit that Minato made Naruto and Sasuke jump together with the object they were standing on and which was the target of Minato's Hiraishin. But letting Kyuubi teleport through Kyuubi, assumes he created some barrier like when he teleported Juubi's Bijuudama.

In this scenario, it would require, that Minato comes in Susanoo's close range, touches Susanoo, lets his Chakra smh. flow through the Chakra entity of Susanoo to touch Itachi and then teleport him.

I'm wary.

 

[Bogard]

Couldn't Minato actually use the ground as a medium, to let his Chakra flow through it and touch objects standing in his near surroundings with his Chakra, in order to teleport them away? Or is it defined which object (Gamabunta, Gmakichi) can act as a medium to let Minato's Chakra flow through it? Why couldn't he teleport Hiruzen? Because his Chakra wasn't touching Hiruzen. But how was Minato's Chakra touching Kyuubi then, or Juubi's Bijuudama? It's legit that Minato made Naruto and Sasuke jump together with the object they were standing on and which was the target of Minato's Hiraishin. But letting Kyuubi teleport through Kyuubi, assumes he created some barrier like when he teleported Juubi's Bijuudama.

In this scenario, it would require, that Minato comes in Susanoo's close range, touches Susanoo, lets his Chakra smh. flow through the Chakra of Susanoo to touch Itachi and then teleport him.

I'm wary.

I believe he can. Already stated it already in this thread, eventhough at that point i didn't have as much knowledge on FTG as i do now

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Now like i've said, there can be another signification behind those words. It could also mean that he is using mediums to transfer his chakra in order to reach something/someone for him to be able to warp it. In the above case, if you read perfectly, noticing he made no contact with Sasuke and Naruto, the medium could be interpretated as being Gamakichi since he is the only one who he has a direct contact with in this case who is himself in contact with Naruto and Sasuke

So during a fight against a Susanoo user, he could use the earth as a medium to make his chakra reach(the earth being in contact with both him and his opponent) and able to perform his jutsu perfectly fine, and thus warping the Susanoo user only or/and his Susanoo depending on his intentions on another area

 

[KidGamer65]

Couldn't Minato actually use the ground as a medium, to let his Chakra flow through it and touch objects standing in his near surroundings with his Chakra, in order to teleport them away? Or is it defined which object (Gamabunta, Gmakichi) can act as a medium to let Minato's Chakra flow through it? Why couldn't he teleport Hiruzen? Because his Chakra wasn't touching Hiruzen. But how was Minato's Chakra touching Kyuubi then, or Juubi's Bijuudama? It's legit that Minato made Naruto and Sasuke jump together with the object they were standing on and which was the target of Minato's Hiraishin. But letting Kyuubi teleport through Kyuubi, assumes he created some barrier like when he teleported Juubi's Bijuudama.

In this scenario, it would require, that Minato comes in Susanoo's close range, touches Susanoo, lets his Chakra smh. flow through the Chakra entity of Susanoo to touch Itachi and then teleport him.

I'm wary.

I wouldn't be surprised if he can only make a medium out of beings that have chakra.

ST Barrier was most likely used on Juubi Dama in order to warp it away, since no kind of contact was made at all and that is Minato's usual form of warping away Bijuu Dama.

No it doesn't. He was on panel the whole time and you never see him form any kind of barrier nor is there any indication he's forming one. In fact, all he says is that he needs to gather up chakra to teleport something of Kurama's size. [

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By touching Susanoo, he'd be in contact with Itachi's chakra (Susanoo) that is touching Itachi, so he'd be able to teleport him.

 

[Bogard]

I wouldn't be surprised if he can only make a medium out of beings that have chakra.

I thought about it as well, but here is the thing. Chakra is something that can be chanelled through material objects

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So he could chanell his chakra through the ground in order for it to reach some intended target

 

[KidGamer65]

I thought about it as well, but here is the thing. Chakra is something that can be chanelled through material objects

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So he could chanell his chakra through the ground in order for it to reach some intended target

Logically it should be possible, but I have a feeling that it wouldn't work like this, mainly since we've only seen weapons and the body have chakra flowed through them..

lol, almost forgot as Strict said, he would have been able to teleport Hiruzen through that method.

 

[NarutoIndra]

I wouldn't be surprised if he can only make a medium out of beings that have chakra.

ST Barrier was most likely used on Juubi Dama in order to warp it away, since no kind of contact was made at all and that is Minato's usual form of warping away Bijuu Dama.

No it doesn't. He was on panel the whole time and you never see him form any kind of barrier nor is there any indication he's forming one. In fact, all he says is that he needs to gather up chakra to teleport something of Kurama's size. [

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By touching Susanoo, he'd be in contact with Itachi's chakra (Susanoo) that is touching Itachi, so he'd be able to teleport him.

In bold. Minato has not proved he can distinguish between two chakra signatures. He could selectively teleport whomever he wanted, but he was capable of telling the difference in their chakra signatures to identify who the person is. However, Susano is a manifestation of the users chakra, so they both contain the exact same chakra signature. Saying he can discriminate between two chakra signatures and chose which to teleport is the same as saying he can teleport Itachi somewhere and leave his entire chakra network behind (since he can tell the difference).

 

[Strict]

So during a fight against a Susanoo user, he could use the earth as a medium to make his chakra reach(the earth being in contact with both him and his opponent) and able to perform his jutsu perfectly fine, and thus warping the Susanoo user only or/and his Susanoo depending on his intentions on another area.

But that would contradict with Minato's statement, who said he couldn't teleport Hiruzen to them, because his Chakra isn't touching him in some way, despite he could have used the earth as a medium as well. So actions and statements of Minato contradict with your theory.

He made Sasuke and Naruto jump together with Gamakichi without touching them. That's a different matter, because Minato used Hiraishin on the object they were standing at, letting them jump along with Gamakichi. It would be a different matter to let Sasuke and Naruto jump with Hiraishin, without affecting Gamakichi. Thus, he would really have to use Gamakichi as a medium to teleport objects without touching them, but without teleporting Gamakichi himself.

Minato needs to touch the objects he teleports away, this is the way his Chakra touches the object. Reason Minato came behind Tobirama and Hiruzen, to teleport them to the respective Kunai by touching them [

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Therefore I assume, that Minato used the same s/t barrier, to teleport Kyuubi away without touching, which he used to teleport away Juubi's Bijuudama. Letting the objects (Sasuke, Naruto) jump together with the object on which Hiraishin is used and at which they are standing, is another matter. The example of Minato using Hiraishin on Sasuke and Naruto with latter as a connection [

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] supports this actually well. Beings which are touching each other are connected, their Chakra is connected. Thus, teleportation is always shown to teleport a chain of people or beings which are touching each other in some way. The ground is not a medium which counts. That would be way too haxxed, because Minato could teleport anyone away without even touching him.

Susanoo separates Itachi from Minato. Saying that Minato will somehow let his Chakra flow through this entity to teleport away the user inside of it is doubtful for me and not based on facts. Yes, he can teleport Susanoo together with Itachi inside of it, but cannot let his Chakra flow through Susanoo, to touch Itachi.

Another hint could be, that Naruto directly touched Sasuke through Susanoo's ribcage, thus making direct contact with him.

Well, it's just not proven.

Minato is nevertheless the superior. Imo they are equal if both are alive (and an Itachi who is healthier than at his illnesses peak). BM Minato overwhelms him. Doesn't mean Minato can't fall for Tsukuyomi if he makes eye contact with the Mangekyo Sharingan, what isn't far fetched with no knowledge. Especially for a Jinchuriki, who thinks his Bijuu will free him from Genjutsu in general, what could make him even more underestimating Genjutsu generally, what would be fatal in Tsukuyomi's case, which can't be canceled since it is instant (stated by Kakashi).

By touching Susanoo, he'd be in contact with Itachi's chakra (Susanoo) that is touching Itachi, so he'd be able to teleport him.

Only if the Chakra of Susanoo is in reverse flowing into Itachi's body, what isn't the case. Minato's Chakra have to directly affect Itachi.