Ebola hits NYC

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But aren't we talking about ebola you ingorant kdi?
Ok let me take baby steps for you. Follow the numbers in order okay?!(if you can)
#1. not a kid
#2. I'm not ignorant
#3. did you not read my post? clearly I was talking about how good/bad America is a country compared to other country's.
#4. watch whom you talk to like that.(don't call me ignorant it's called respect)

Did you get all of that? If not read again till you do. Ha and you call me ignorant That's just rich
 

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*shrugs* Our city is the most resilient city in the country. Considering what we endured during 9/11, Ebola ain't even worth stressing.

9/11 would've never destroyed the whole population :| , you do realize that ebola can result extinction of this country right?
 

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Ok let me take baby steps for you. Follow the numbers in order okay?!(if you can)
#1. not a kid
#2. I'm not ignorant
#3. did you not read my post? clearly I was talking about how good/bad America is a country compared to other country's.
#4. watch whom you talk to like that.(don't call me ignorant it's called respect)

Did you get all of that? If not read again till you do. Ha and you call me ignorant That's just rich

Yo let me take u wayy back. This is the internet, u should know it from there
 

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9/11 would've never destroyed the whole population :| , you do realize that ebola can result extinction of this country right?

In a worse case scenario maybe a couple of thousand people would get sick. This is a first world country, look at the third world countries that have been afflicted. If it were that serious of a threat, they wouldn't be able to cope with it at all. And theres a world of a difference between there infrastructure / medical capabilities and ours. As long as our officials do their jobs the chances of extinction are beyond negligible. And I wasn't talking about fatalities as much as fear itself. There is no comparison at all between the fear that happened on 9/11 and this ebola hype. People are making jokes about Ebola over here, on 9/11 there was nothing to laugh about.
 
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In a worse case scenario maybe a couple of thousand people would get sick. This is a first world country, look at the third world countries that have been afflicted. If it were that serious of a threat, they wouldn't be able to cope with it at all. And theres a world of a difference between there infrastructure / medical capabilities and ours. As long as our officials do their jobs the chances of extinction are beyond negligible. And I wasn't talking about fatalities as much as fear itself. There is no comparison at all between the fear that happened on 9/11 and this ebola hype. People are making jokes about Ebola over here, on 9/11 there was nothing to laugh about.

That's what I mean when I say people are making too big a deal about this Ebola topic.
 

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Ebola is the new death. We can't stop it.
 

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Yo let me take u wayy back. This is the internet, u should know it from there

All I care that you read was number two the rest of that i just put cause I was pissed. You can clearly see I don't like being disrespected as long as someone doesn't disrespect me I'm cool.
It does not matter if It happens on the internet or not (in fact it pisses me off more if it happens on the internet cause whomever does it can get away with it easily)

Anyway I don't care about this topic anymore so you win the argument.
 

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All I care that you read was number two the rest of that i just put cause I was pissed. You can clearly see I don't like being disrespected as long as someone doesn't disrespect me I'm cool.
It does not matter if It happens on the internet or not (in fact it pisses me off more if it happens on the internet cause whomever does it can get away with it easily)

Anyway I don't care about this topic anymore so you win the argument.

Didn't knew you where taking this so serious
 

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No one cares about america.
I don't know why i should care a disease getting another disease
You're probably just mad your country's in poverty. Gotta walk four miles just to get internet.
 

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In a worse case scenario maybe a couple of thousand people would get sick. This is a first world country, look at the third world countries that have been afflicted. If it were that serious of a threat, they wouldn't be able to cope with it at all. And theres a world of a difference between there infrastructure / medical capabilities and ours. As long as our officials do their jobs the chances of extinction are beyond negligible. And I wasn't talking about fatalities as much as fear itself. There is no comparison at all between the fear that happened on 9/11 and this ebola hype. People are making jokes about Ebola over here, on 9/11 there was nothing to laugh about.

The severity of 9/11 was immediately evident.

New York is the worst possible place in America for there to have been an Ebola case.

The problem is that we simply do not know how Ebola will spread in our society. We can guess at it. But we don't know - it's not really been here, before.

Dallas, so far, has been lucky. We will know in a couple weeks if anyone aboard the nurse's flight contracted the disease.

For comparison - the doctor in New York traveled on three subway lines.

The mayor made a big deal about taking the subway - but that's not the problem. The problem is who all was bumping up against the man on the subway, on the way into and out of the station, etc.

NYC is used to a degree of personal contact that most of us in the rest of America are very uncomfortable with. It's not as insane as China or Japan - but you all are used to literal tides of human beings and you think nothing of it. That is not "close contact."

Except, in the world of viruses. It is. It's not just close contact - it's intimate contact.

It's functionally little different from the burial ceremonies in Africa.

Ebola is exceptionally infectious. It only takes one virus particle. It is that effective at countering our early immune responses. It destroys some people so fast that they never get the chance to develop a fever:



"The study, sponsored by the World Health Organization and published online late last month by the New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola.The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic."
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"Researchers studying an outbreak in Uganda in late 2000 and early 2001 reported that "the commonest symptom … was fever, which occurred in 85% of the cases."

Another study of that outbreak, focusing on 24 confirmed cases of Ebola, found fever in 88%.

The third study, which examined a 1995 outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, found fever in 93% of 84 people who died and in 18 of 19 individuals who survived."


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"He added: "It seems that Ebola can present without fever especially in the first phase."

Zwinkels said that without fever as a trustworthy marker, it is difficult for medical professionals to treat the many West Africans suffering from everyday maladies."

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"If Ebola cannot be readily identified, Zwinkels wrote, "Ebola patients will be admitted in the normal ward and possibly contaminating health staff and caretakers. This is why a lot of hospitals in West Africa are closed. … Millions of people don't have any healthcare at the moment because hospitals treat Ebola only or are closed.""

Panic is never a good idea.

However, if people in New York who had contact with this guy begin displaying symptoms...

It means I am as correct about this virus as I fear.

When that happens, there is a very narrow window of opportunity to act.

Quarantine districts must be established. Travel between those districts must be restricted and the contacts of people who had the virus must be traced while free public travel -must- be restricted.

Not by the government - but by the people. The government can't force that on people - and at this point, I doubt they would be able to organize it in a functional manner, anyway.

Shopping should be conducted in an organized fashion with as little travel of individuals as possible and as little interaction as possible.

This will need to be done for one full month after the most recent case has been identified within each quarantine district.

That must happen, or by the time New York has "A problem" with thousands being infected, it will be far too late and the city must be quarantined by those outside the city at all costs, because the city is lost.

By the time you have a thousand recognized, you have hundreds of thousands of potential exposures. By the time even a fraction of those are identified, your potential exposures are in the millions.

You must understand that the BRN - Basic Replication Number - that is used for Ebola in Africa has little application within our society.

In Africa - for every one person infected with Ebola, they are currently transmitting it to roughly 2.4 people (this number has been trending up).

But one must keep in mind that this virus is very short lived. It has a very narrow window of opportunity to come into contact with as many different people as possible before its host dies and loses much of its ability to infect others.

How many different people does the average West African come into contact with? Not very many. Despite cultural shifts that have been causing people to distance themselves from those who work with Ebola and those who display its symptoms - the virus has been spreading at an increasing rate.

So - how many different people does the average New Yorker come into contact with on a daily basis?

Far, far more.

Our society is generally trusting of our immune system and we can shrug off most of the common infections. The guy who coughs a bit on the subway just prompts you to eat a salad for the next few days or drink a few glasses of orange juice (or some other vitamin-C supplement).

Ebola, frankly, is in an entirely different class of viruses. There is no such thing as a "mild case." You'll be rendered in need of hospitalization.
 

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The severity of 9/11 was immediately evident.

New York is the worst possible place in America for there to have been an Ebola case.

The problem is that we simply do not know how Ebola will spread in our society. We can guess at it. But we don't know - it's not really been here, before.

Dallas, so far, has been lucky. We will know in a couple weeks if anyone aboard the nurse's flight contracted the disease.

For comparison - the doctor in New York traveled on three subway lines.

The mayor made a big deal about taking the subway - but that's not the problem. The problem is who all was bumping up against the man on the subway, on the way into and out of the station, etc.

NYC is used to a degree of personal contact that most of us in the rest of America are very uncomfortable with. It's not as insane as China or Japan - but you all are used to literal tides of human beings and you think nothing of it. That is not "close contact."

Except, in the world of viruses. It is. It's not just close contact - it's intimate contact.

It's functionally little different from the burial ceremonies in Africa.

Ebola is exceptionally infectious. It only takes one virus particle. It is that effective at countering our early immune responses. It destroys some people so fast that they never get the chance to develop a fever:



"The study, sponsored by the World Health Organization and published online late last month by the New England Journal of Medicine, analyzed data on 3,343 confirmed and 667 probable cases of Ebola.The finding that 87.1% of those infected exhibited fever — but 12.9% did not — illustrates the challenges confronting health authorities as they struggle to contain the epidemic."
.
.
.
"Researchers studying an outbreak in Uganda in late 2000 and early 2001 reported that "the commonest symptom … was fever, which occurred in 85% of the cases."

Another study of that outbreak, focusing on 24 confirmed cases of Ebola, found fever in 88%.

The third study, which examined a 1995 outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, found fever in 93% of 84 people who died and in 18 of 19 individuals who survived."


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.
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"He added: "It seems that Ebola can present without fever especially in the first phase."

Zwinkels said that without fever as a trustworthy marker, it is difficult for medical professionals to treat the many West Africans suffering from everyday maladies."

.
.
.
"If Ebola cannot be readily identified, Zwinkels wrote, "Ebola patients will be admitted in the normal ward and possibly contaminating health staff and caretakers. This is why a lot of hospitals in West Africa are closed. … Millions of people don't have any healthcare at the moment because hospitals treat Ebola only or are closed.""

Panic is never a good idea.

However, if people in New York who had contact with this guy begin displaying symptoms...

It means I am as correct about this virus as I fear.

When that happens, there is a very narrow window of opportunity to act.

Quarantine districts must be established. Travel between those districts must be restricted and the contacts of people who had the virus must be traced while free public travel -must- be restricted.

Not by the government - but by the people. The government can't force that on people - and at this point, I doubt they would be able to organize it in a functional manner, anyway.

Shopping should be conducted in an organized fashion with as little travel of individuals as possible and as little interaction as possible.

This will need to be done for one full month after the most recent case has been identified within each quarantine district.

That must happen, or by the time New York has "A problem" with thousands being infected, it will be far too late and the city must be quarantined by those outside the city at all costs, because the city is lost.

By the time you have a thousand recognized, you have hundreds of thousands of potential exposures. By the time even a fraction of those are identified, your potential exposures are in the millions.

You must understand that the BRN - Basic Replication Number - that is used for Ebola in Africa has little application within our society.

In Africa - for every one person infected with Ebola, they are currently transmitting it to roughly 2.4 people (this number has been trending up).

But one must keep in mind that this virus is very short lived. It has a very narrow window of opportunity to come into contact with as many different people as possible before its host dies and loses much of its ability to infect others.

How many different people does the average West African come into contact with? Not very many. Despite cultural shifts that have been causing people to distance themselves from those who work with Ebola and those who display its symptoms - the virus has been spreading at an increasing rate.

So - how many different people does the average New Yorker come into contact with on a daily basis?

Far, far more.

Our society is generally trusting of our immune system and we can shrug off most of the common infections. The guy who coughs a bit on the subway just prompts you to eat a salad for the next few days or drink a few glasses of orange juice (or some other vitamin-C supplement).

Ebola, frankly, is in an entirely different class of viruses. There is no such thing as a "mild case." You'll be rendered in need of hospitalization.

We don't know the exact severity of the Ebola threat here at the moment so I respect this opinion. Hopefully (since the guy was a doctor) he knew better than to sneeze on someone, or leave significant traces of any of his fluids anywhere. >> I'm not erasing the threat, but since he quarantined himself as soon as he started developing symptoms, I want to think that the odds that he transmitted it to others are very low. But like you said if he did, and those infected spread it furthermore, and disaster control comes down to the people, I don't doubt New Yorkers on coming together. During the aftermath of 9/11, while it was more immediate, thousands of people (mostly volunteers) came from all Burroughs to ground zero to help out. For now we'll have to wait it out and see I guess. In the meantime, I think most people will take extra precaution with pretty much any activity that requires coming in contact with random people, like public transit.... And anyways, in Manhattan, especially down town it's not uncommon to see pedestrians walking around wearing face masks and latex gloves (srs, even before Ebola). I'm expecting to see this on the rise now that this shit has landed here. I don't know about Brooklyn though, especially since this guy apparently took the L Train, and Brooklyn's reputation doesn't exactly serve them well in this situation.. Lol
 
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So Obama says ebola.is a trial run for a greater airborne virus/disease. Just preparing to control and wipe out the sheeple. Lets see when the fema camps will be opened for business
 

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So Obama says ebola.is a trial run for a greater airborne virus/disease. Just preparing to control and wipe out the sheeple. Lets see when the fema camps will be opened for business


I wish all people in this world would finally wake up and try to stop this god playing ****ers but i guess, that will just be a wish that will never come true..
 
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