Early EMS Sasuke Vs CM2 Hebi Sasuke

[neosmith500]

Restrictions: All MS/EMS Techniques , Oral rebirth and Hydra.

Location: Kage summit.

Distance : 20m

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[Guntah]

So....Curse Mark Sasuke vs Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan Sasuke without Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.

That's just Powered up Sasuke vs non powered up Sasuke. How is EMS Sasuke supposed to stand any chance?

 

[Icelerate]

EMS Sasuke's chakra should be far stronger than CS2 Hebi Sasuke so his physical stats and precog should be higher. Not to mention EMS Sasuke has way better chakra and can easily outlast.

Early EMS Sasuke wins mid difficulty at most.

 

[Guntah]

EMS Sasuke's chakra should be far stronger than CS2 Hebi Sasuke so his physical stats and precog should be higher. Not to mention EMS Sasuke has way better chakra and can easily outlast.

Early EMS Sasuke wins mid difficulty at most.

...ah, alright, I get it now.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Ems takes this low diff. The only thing hebis got on ems that we've physically seen is speed, and it's hard to assume his speed went down with ems so I say ems takes it

 

[Guntah]

Seriously though, is there any definite proof of such a massive improve just from acquiring the EMS?

 

[neosmith500]

...ah, alright, I get it now.

I was just about to go in on u bro Lol..

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[Guntah]

I was just about to go in on u bro Lol..

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Okay, but I'm honestly curious about this.

Seriously though, is there any definite proof of such a massive improve just from acquiring the EMS?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Okay, but I'm honestly curious about this.

No not at all, the improvement imo is from ms, ems does nothing but look cooler and let you spam ms stuff

 

[neosmith500]

Seriously though, is there any definite proof of such a massive improve just from acquiring the EMS?

No not at all, the improvement imo is from ms, ems does nothing but look cooler and let you spam ms stuff

Its very simple really , Each time the sharingan advances it signals a evolution of the uchiha's power. A Prime example is wheN Sasuke's 2T evolved to 3T , that boost of Chakra was enough to amp his base stats to match his CS1 2T stats while in Base 3T.

MS evolves the Chakra even more , to the point where 3T MS Sasuke , had Darker/Stronger Chakra than CS2 Hebi Sasuke , while EMS pushed it beyond that and literally combined the Chakra/Power of two MS to the point where it can pull feats like PS.

So yea early EMS wins low/diff and peak MS Sasuke wins med/diff.

 

[Guntah]

Its very simple really , Each time the sharingan advances it signals a evolution of the uchiha's power. A Prime example is wheN Sasukes 2T evolved to 3T , that boost of Chakra was enough to amp his base stats to match his CS1 2T stats in Base 3T.

MS evolves the Chakra even more , to the point where 3T MS Sasuke , had Darker/Stronger Chakra than CS2 Hebi Sasuke , while EMS pushed it beyond that and literally combined the Chakra/Power of two MS to the point where it can pull feats like PS.

So yea early EMS wins low/diff and peak MS Sasuke wins med/diff.

Ah, alright. I remember that being mentioned.

 

[Holy God]

Curse Mark Sasuke should win. EMS Sasuke has stronger chakra but it won't make a difference; especially when Curse Mark Sasuke has the benefits of Sage Mode.

 

[neosmith500]

Curse Mark Sasuke should win. EMS Sasuke has stronger chakra but it won't make a difference; especially when Curse Mark Sasuke has the benefits of Sage Mode.

EMS would have better precog , speed , overall stats and if they ever clashed EMS would always win due to much stronger Chakra.

 

[Holy God]

EMS would have better precog , speed , overall stats and if they ever clashed EMS would always win due to much stronger Chakra.

He may have better prediction, if that's even allowed in this thread, but he should lack in physical stats due to the Curse Mark. Chakra shouldn't make you faster, especially not as fast as sage chakra would amount to. The only time we've ever seen chakra really promote growth is when it's either sage chakra or Six Paths chakra, and it's been shown how much the former improves techniques (even changing their appearance). CM Sasuke would also have an aerial and summoning advantage.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

He may have better prediction, if that's even allowed in this thread, but he should lack in physical stats due to the Curse Mark. Chakra shouldn't make you faster, especially not as fast as sage chakra would amount to. The only time we've ever seen chakra really promote growth is when it's either sage chakra or Six Paths chakra, and it's been shown how much the former improves techniques (even changing their appearance). CM Sasuke would also have an aerial and summoning advantage.

While I agree that senjutsu works like this, I don't remember seeing sasuke in cm mode doing these things, I'm not saying he can't, it just seems like kishi added this in later imo

 

[neosmith500]

He may have better prediction, if that's even allowed in this thread, but he should lack in physical stats due to the Curse Mark. Chakra shouldn't make you faster, especially not as fast as sage chakra would amount to. The only time we've ever seen chakra really promote growth is when it's either sage chakra or Six Paths chakra, and it's been shown how much the former improves techniques (even changing their appearance). CM Sasuke would also have an aerial and summoning advantage.

I never said he cant use EMS , just not the techs and his physical body stats would be around or above CS2 due to the fact that stronger more potent Chakra = better stats , shunshin etc , the reason for this is due to everybody using Chakra to increase physical power in their attacks and the reason CS is so strong is due to the power of the Chakra.

In VOTE1 after Sasuuke advanced to 3T he made note that his body was just as the strong as when he's using the CS1 , so MS>>> CS2 physically without even counting EMS.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

I never said he cant use EMS , just not the techs and his physical body stats would be around or above CS2 due to the fact that stronger more potent Chakra = better stats , shunshin etc , the reason for this is due to everybody using Chakra to increase physical power in their attacks and the reason CS is so strong is due to the power of the Chakra.

In VOTE1 after Sasuuke advanced to 3T he made note that his body was just as the strong as when he's using the CS1 , so MS>>> CS2 physically without even counting EMS.

I'm gonna have to nitpick on the him saying his body matches cs1, I thought he just mentioned his eyes and body being able to see and react to narutos movements in his chakra cloak

 

[TRE MERCER]

Going with CM2 Sasuke here yes im willing to debate it havent debated in a long ass time.

 

[neosmith500]

I'm gonna have to nitpick on the him saying his body matches cs1, I thought he just mentioned his eyes and body being able to see and react to narutos movements in his chakra cloak

Sasuke was pondering at his new power , he noted that his body was the same as when it was bein influenced by the CS which he used 1 chapter prior to bein able to handle KM Naruto.

Its also simple logic stronger chakra = better stats since it a union between the physical and spiritual energy. The sharingan empowers the uchiha's chakra more and more the stronger it gets , stronger and bigger chakra = better shunshin , Taijutsu , Stamina and mostly all stats.

MS boosted 3T Sasukes Chakra to the point it was compared to CS2 Sasuke , colder and darker than even somthing that uses senjutsu + Oroshimaru's Dark/twisted chakra and required sasuke to literally die before he could even hope of using it , so its obvious that MS and EMS amps the base Chakra level and in term all stats wayyy beyond anything CS2 Hebi Sasuke could ever dream of so he outclasses him easily in reserves and everything.

 

[Holy God]

I never said he cant use EMS , just not the techs and his physical body stats would be around or above CS2 due to the fact that stronger more potent Chakra = better stats , shunshin etc , the reason for this is due to everybody using Chakra to increase physical power in their attacks and the reason CS is so strong is due to the power of the Chakra.

In VOTE1 after Sasuuke advanced to 3T he made note that his body was just as the strong as when he's using the CS1 , so MS>>> CS2 physically without even counting EMS.

Sasuke was talking about his eyes/body being able to react, not any strength or speed enhancements. Even if you were correct, it'd then go like this:

2T CM = 3T
3T CM = MS
3T CM2 >= EMS

EMS Sasuke seemingly lacks in every department except for eyesight, there's no way he can win.