(E)MS

[Behemoth55]

Hello!

During my short time here, I happen to see that the most users entitle Sasukes and Madaras Dōjutsu as the "Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan".
I'm not in the position to give any instructions-and I don't want that-, but maybe you want to know that this description isn't really right.
In the japanese version the name is translated as the "eternal Mangekyō Sharingan", the first term is just a predicate. "Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan" on the other hand would implie a completely new and independent Dōjutsu, but that's not the case.
The eMS is just a Mangekyo Sharingan, which revises the most important side-effects, nothing more and nothing less.
There is another proof for my statement- in the "Scripts of Sha" the eMS isn't independently categorized.

It doesn't matter to me whether you call it eMS or EMS. However, I thought, you want to know it.

 

[Beans2]

Your profile picture goes perfectly with the text.

 

[Reraru]

Um ..Okay. Dattebayo!

 

[- J AV -]

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Okay

 

[3MESSIAH]

it was stated by itachi that it gives birth to a new jutsu....it may be perfect susanoo

 

[villain55]

Okay :|

You don't deserve to have the #55 in your name U_U

 

[Wesker]

Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan is somewhat a new dojutsu. It is all what MS can do, but forever. It also looks very different, and we know how much aesthetics matter in those eyes of theirs :leaf: .

 

[Mad Daz]

Okay :|

You don't deserve to have the #55 in your name U_U

Bro his 55 owns yours.

 

[villain55]

Bro his 55 owns yours.

1. You are?

2.Whatever makes you feel better about yourself

 

[reizon]

ems is nothing more than endless supply of ms.!!

I agree with that.!!

but I think sasuke's ms form changed after transplanting itachi's eyes..(I think)

if someone can get sasuke's ms and ems pic, that wud be great.!!

 

[Aya San]

That's true, enlighten the Base

 

[BlinkST]

In the japanese version the name is translated as the "eternal Mangekyō Sharingan", the first term is just a predicate. "Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan" on the other hand would implie a completely new and independent Dōjutsu, but that's not the case.
The eMS is just a Mangekyo Sharingan, which revises the most important side-effects, nothing more and nothing less.
There is another proof for my statement- in the "Scripts of Sha" the eMS isn't independently categorized.

Actually, there are implications that the "Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan" is a new ocular power, rather than "just" a Mangekyo Sharingan that does not go blind. It depends on the research you're willing to do.

In finding a new master, his brother's eyes gained eternal light... // And not only that; a further change occurred. // Those eyes gave rise to a new special technique.

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弟の眼は新しい宿主を得ることで永遠の光を手に入れたという…
Itachi: It seems that by acquiring a new host, his brother's eyes gained eternal light...

そしてそればかりか　変化を起こした
Itachi: Perhaps as a consequence, a metamorphosis occurred in his eyes.

特有の新しい瞳術がその眼に生まれたのだ
Itachi: A peculiar new doujutsu was born in them.

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Itachi: "By gaining a new host, the younger brother's eyes obtained eternal light...

Furthermore, another change emerged.

Distinctly new ocular jutsu were born from those eyes."

"And that wasn't the only change caused. A characteristic new dōjutsu was born in those eyes." (「そしてそればかりか変化を起こした。特有の新しい瞳術がその眼に生まれたのだ」, "Soshite sore bakari ka henka o okoshita. Tokuyū no atarashii dōjutsu ga sono me ni umareta no da.")
It's ambiguous. Given the lack of any reference afterwards, I'd say Itachi is talking about the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan here. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 22:49, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


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They say that the eyes of the young brother obtained eternal light by gaining the new host…and moreover some mutant, peculiar new ocular power was(/powers were) born into the eyes.

 

[Behemoth55]

BlinkST,

I know every statement regarding the eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, but what you declared now doesn't proof me wrong, because:

-the term "Dōjutsu" can also refer to a new technique and not an eye
-Itachi uses the word "change". Why should he use this if a new eye awoke?
-as I said it before- Kishimoto himself didn't differentiates between the MS and eMS

 

[Mad Daz]

1. You are?

2.Whatever makes you feel better about yourself

Im mad daz, i know you saw my name! >.<

And i was jk, why would his or your name with random numbers after them make me feel better about myself?

Chill...bro

OT: we still dont know if the ems has more powerful jutsu compared to ms or if its only feature is that it doesnt degrade. Id guess you cant achieve PS without one though.

 

[BlinkST]

BlinkST,

I know every statement regarding the eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, but what you declared now doesn't proof me wrong, because:

-the term "Dōjutsu" can also refer to a new technique and not an eye

Given the lack of references afterwards [As ShounenSuki pointed out], it's more likely that he was referring to the eye itself. If you managed to come across this "jutsu", perhaps you can reference it.

-Itachi uses the word "change". Why should he use this if a new eye awoke?

Why wouldn't he?

-as I said it before- Kishimoto himself didn't differentiates between the MS and eMS

He already did in that scan and various other chapters. Let's go through them. The "ems" is considered "true power" or "true transformation".

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-The ems contains the power of the former host.

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-The ems is the only eye that is capable of differentiating between clones.

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-The ems has improved perception abilities over the other Sharingan.

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[Behemoth55]

" Why wouldn't he?"

Because a new eye is isn't a simple change of something that is already existing. The missing new name-giving in the original japanese version is another argument that can't be denied.
The eMS is just portrayed as the "true power" of the Mangekyō Sharingan and the most important secret of these eyes. In Kishis databook the eMS wouldn't introduced as another independent Dōjutsu.
These scans aren't pieces of evidence for your own argumentation, because only Madara is able to differentiate between clones and the other abilities like improved perception or movements has to do with the configuration of the Sharingans own Tomoe, as Madara implied it.