DSM Kabuto vs KCM Naruto

[Sennin of Logic]

I'm 100% serious. With no defense against White Rage, he can't stop the following attack.

Malice sensing, chakra arms. White rage doesn't last long anyways, so this will suffice to stop Kabuto until it's worn off.

 

[KidGamer65]

Malice sensing, chakra arms. White rage doesn't last long anyways, so this will suffice to stop Kabuto until it's worn off.

Malice sensing is useless since he can't move, and chakra arms are useless since they can't even hurt him. He'd evade them and strike the immobile Naruto.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Malice sensing is useless since he can't move, and chakra arms are useless since they can't even hurt him. He'd evade them and strike the immobile Naruto.

But it gives him an idea of where Kabuto is, and when he's about to strike. It's enabled him to fight while blinded before.

I somehow doubt that Kabuto can dodge chakra arms when the can be not only multiple, but large.

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In this case, being in a cave is a disadvantage for Kabuto since there isn't as much vertical room to dodge. Kabuto certainly can't go CQB with them, that's for sure.

 

[KidGamer65]

But it gives him an idea of where Kabuto is, and when he's about to strike. It's enabled him to fight while blinded before.

I somehow doubt that Kabuto can dodge chakra arms when the can be not only multiple, but large.

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In this case, being in a cave is a disadvantage for Kabuto since there isn't as much vertical room to dodge. Kabuto certainly can't go CQB with them, that's for sure.

They aren't even that large, and there's only 4-6 of them, nor do they have a speed feat that'd put them above the likes of a Susanoo Arrow. Room isn't an issue.

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Naruto's Chakra Arms wouldn't even span over the whole distance that Itachi traveled to get to Sasuke let alone cover so much area in the cave that he can't react. The only issue I came across is getting past Naruto's cloak. Sawarabi no Mai is his only chance, if that doesn't work, then White Rage would wear off and Kabuto would get decimated.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

1. White rage might prevent him from making FRS, but not maintaining it. The scan you just showed was the incomplete variation. This could easily mean that it just wasn't properly made in the first place, not that it needs maintenance.

No need to drag this part of the discussion then since we can agree White rage can prevent him from making FRS.

2. Chakra arms do not require the slightest effort and/or concentration. White rage won't stop it. My evidence is this.

A. Naruto, no training with them whatsoever could use them, and all he has to do is maintain the concept of an arm. I don't believe that White rage is that effective to prevent all thought.

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B. It's even automatic (when Kurama takes charge, and that isn't exactly restricted)

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The same argument be made from Susanoo, that it takes no difficulty to use, control, and maintain it much like KCM or what chakra mode a character can use. So it really doesn't matter the difficulty. White Rage goes off and Naruto will have the same problem as Sasuke.

White rage might paralyze Naruto temporarily, but Naruto can certainly defend himself for the duration.

I fail to see how, Sasuke couldn't. I have no reason to believe Naruto can protect himself properly from the next attack.

 

[juzumaki]

Naruto nothing suggest that white rage would affect Naruto in the same way it affected sasuke seeing as thoguh paralysis doesnt prevent him from using them as seen against kaguya

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Naruto nothing suggest that white rage would affect Naruto in the same way it affected sasuke seeing as thoguh paralysis doesnt prevent him from using them as seen against kaguya

????????????????????????????? Everything suggest that white rage would affect Naruto the same way since Naruto chakra manipulation with Buijuu chakra is as = to Sasuke chakra manipulation with his potent chakra/Susanoo.

@Bold, are you making stuff up here to make an argument?

 

[Icelerate]

This thread was very interesting. First it was Ej VS KG and SoL. Now it is Ej and KG VS SoL.

 

[juzumaki]

????????????????????????????? Everything suggest that white rage would affect Naruto the same way since Naruto chakra manipulation with Buijuu chakra is as = to Sasuke chakra manipulation with his potent chakra/Susanoo.

@Bold, are you making stuff up here to make an argument?

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and no it isnt = naruto uses a mode something he activate and doesnt turnoff unless he deactivates, through force or low on chakra unlike susanoo which needs to be maintained

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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and no it isnt = naruto uses a mode something he activate and doesnt turnoff unless he deactivates, through force or low on chakra unlike susanoo which needs to be maintained

That scan proves nothing. I dont see Naruto in pain from the vibrations drilling through his body, while an intense sound is feeling like his head is about to explode (expression).


Not to mention we already witness a similar noise that had Naruto holding his hands on his hears[

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] so the reaction of the attacks your comparing is completely different here.

@Bold expect thats exactly how Susanoo works too. Susanoo is chakra the caster creates and manifest, he can turn it on and off at will.

 

[juzumaki]

That scan proves nothing. I dont see Naruto in pain from the vibrations drilling through his body, while an intense sound is feeling like his head is about to explode (expression).


Not to mention we already witness a similar noise that had Naruto holding his hands on his hears[

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] so the reaction of the attacks your comparing is completely different here.

@Bold expect thats exactly how Susanoo works too. Susanoo is chakra the caster creates and manifest, he can turn it on and off at will.

your whole argument was based on him not being able to mold chakra whilst paralyzed in that situation he literally had his chakra being sucked out of him again with sasuke unable to do anything

no idea why you posted that panel since it still didnt show his chakra mode being affected

 

[Brother Numpsay]

your whole argument was based on him not being able to mold chakra whilst paralyzed in that situation he literally had his chakra being sucked out of him again with sasuke unable to do anything

Except I didn't say that, so you arguing against the claim is pointless.

no idea why you posted that panel since it still didnt show his chakra mode being affected

Never said it did, I just showed to different attacks that your are comparing, which effects differently. Not that Juubi scream = White Rage inside a cave.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Naruto takes this Mid-Diff, I'll bring you back over after I get off work KG Lol

If I still have internet, we're suppose to get mauled with snow today.​

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[KidGamer65]

Naruto takes this Mid-Diff, I'll bring you back over after I get off work KG Lol

If I still have internet, we're suppose to get mauled with snow today.​

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Alright bro. Lol

What area are you at?

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Alright bro. Lol

What area are you at?

Eastern side of Virginia

What points do you believe give Kabuto the win? (Along with a small explantion if someone tried to counter it pls)

*Edit: Nvm, I got a data token. So we should be good.​

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[KidGamer65]

Eastern side of Virginia

What points do you believe give Kabuto the win? (Along with a small explantion if someone tried to counter it pls)

*Edit: Nvm, I got a data token. So we should be good.​

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If you can explain to me how he deals with White Rage, I'll agree that Naruto wins.

 

[Dannie]

I'm going with Kabuto.

White Rage followed by Muki Tensei combo should end him.

Naruto's FRS can be dodged as shown by Deva Path's level of speed, and Sage Kabuto has sensing abilities and is faster than Deva Path.

Naruto's clones would be the only problem, but I doubt his clones can do much once Kabuto smacks them all with Muki Tensei.

Kabuto also has Sound Genjutsu.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

If you can explain to me how he deals with White Rage, I'll agree that Naruto wins.

He simply meets it with another Jutsu like FRS with his superior speed and reactions. I saw EJblack trying to use a CIS argument on you, Saying Naruto's to dumb to coutner but that really only ever applied to one scenario later in the manga.

- He met Kakuzu's attack with a Fuuton: Rasegan, met Sasuke's Chidori with Rasengan countless times, met Sasuke's arrows with Gudodama, used FRSBD to counter Chibaku Tensei downpour, used FRS to counter the Juubi's Mokuton stakes, so "he just wouldn't" is a poor argument.

Even if it did detonate, I doubt Naruto would have a hard time molding chakra anyway. He was able to mold all of the chakra he gave the alliance during Tenchi Pi. Which given its level of destruction [

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[KidGamer65]

He simply meets it with another Jutsu like FRS with his superior speed and reactions. I saw EJblack trying to use a CIS argument on you, Saying Naruto's to dumb to coutner but that really only ever applied to one scenario later in the manga.

- He met Kakuzu's attack with a Fuuton: Rasegan, met Sasuke's Chidori with Rasengan countless times, met Sasuke's arrows with Gudodama, used FRSBD to counter Chibaku Tensei downpour, used FRS to counter the Juubi's Mokuton stakes, so "he just wouldn't" is a poor argument.

Even if it did detonate, I doubt Naruto would have a hard time molding chakra anyway. He was able to mold all of the chakra he gave the alliance during Tenchi Pi. Which given its level of destruction [

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] would far exceed Hakugeki in that disorientating manner (That level of explosion would posses all the same qualities but at a much higher level)

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Huh, didn't even catch that. Lol. But yeah, I agree.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Huh, didn't even catch that. Lol. But yeah, I agree.

It was when he claimed Naruto wouldn't counter Hakugeki because Itachi was the one that came up with the strategy of beating Chibaku Tensei, but that scenario doesn't really apply since Naruto didn't have intel on the Jutsu (He wasn't in control when Pain used it, and the only intel he got was given to him from villagers after the fact)

That was more a feat of Itachi being able to counter a Jutsu with little intel and has nothing to do with Naruto countering with intel​

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