DSM Kabuto VS. Healthy Nagato

[Haizaki]

Idk why you think s/t is weak.

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That is a shinra tensei, so there's absolutely no way that white rage is going to affect nagato after being sent so far away & with such force.

You showed the one scan of a vulnerable pein using a weak shinra tensei to deflect a simple kunai, why would nagato do the same thing in this situation?

Thank you very much for this..even forgot about this

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Lets see here.

Kabuto's location[CHECK]
Opponent is alive and in flesh[CHECK]

The fight is already over. Fighting against Kabuto while you alive, inside the cave is instantly win for Kabuto. No counter to White Rage, period.

There is no need to drag this discussion any further unless/until the battle is open-field.

Now I am seeing alot of people stating ST counters White Rage. INCORRECT.

People need to understand that the orb and dragon a separate function. The dragon shows nothing that implies the works of the orb, producing light and sound. All the manga shows is protect the orb itself, thats all. Now if someone explains to me what the dragon does that functions light and sound, I will glad conceded as the dragon is literally made from Kabuto's body fluids.[

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With that said the dragon entity will simply take the blow from ST (even though Nagato only shown to ST at ninjutsu thats close to him and about to hit him. Especially with Manda Intel). The orb will still be set off from the direction it will land. Which means nothing as the effects of White Rage effected the whole field anyway. This is a perfect example of what White Rage will do against Nagato

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Notice how a Smoke bomb attach to a Kunai was still able to activate after being repel with the Kunai? Same applies to White Rage.

The fight is over once White Rage sets off.




Wrong wrong wrong, using Itachi as an example does not support your claims, as an Edo has inconsistant feels as a fleshly character. We have to go by Sasuke's standards with the effects as he was alive.

You aren't even reading if you state that Sasuke can block their hearing (lol what). Even after White Rage finished they were still covering their ears from the aftershock[

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Every Path tech needs to mold chakra, period. Even Petra Path, as Hashirama demonstrated and countered. You cannot mold chakra properly in these conditions, period.

Once again you are:

1. Paralyzed in these condition
2. You cannot mold chakra properly in these conditions.

The fight will be over in these conditions.

Nope. Almighty push doesn't just effect those in Nagato's immediate area.

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The important thing to note here is that the real Naruto was the one who used ransenshuriken. In other words, he was at a distance yet was still effected. Almighty push has a range.


Being liquid doesn't really play a factor. If you think about it, ransenshuriken is nothing but wind, yet......

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The liquid will be repelled all the same. Liquid is not immune to being pushed away, therefore, the idea that whit rage not getting destroyed by almighty push is completely unfounded.



1 thing to consider is that in the kunai example, Pain clearly wasn't using the full power of almighty push and probably wasn't focusing on destroying it. For instance.....

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Almighty push is enough to one-shot 3 huge toads and as Gamabunta put it "break every bone in his body."


Yet, during the Kakashi fight....

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As we all know, Kakashi was still able to fight. In other words, Pain was clearly conserving his power at that point in time because he considered them not threats. The real deal from Nagato might not only take out white rage, but possibly blow the cave wide open.



That is assuming, of course, he even needs to resort to almighty push when he has Asura path.

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[DemonicAvenger]

you only restricted his village busting Shinra Tensei, which still allows him

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. Which is more than enough to bring the cave down and Negate Kabuto's field advantage.

Nagato takes this Mid-High diff.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

Idk why you think s/t is weak.


That is a shinra tensei, so there's absolutely no way that white rage is going to affect nagato after being sent so far away & with such force.

You showed the one scan of a vulnerable pein using a weak shinra tensei to deflect a simple kunai, why would nagato do the same thing in this situation?

Never said it was weak. Any stronger Repulsive Force isn't doing anything to water but push it to another direction[

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]. It will release the orb's effect early.

Worst case scenario he can use Muki Tensei first, giving it life so it won't be destroyed easily, then set him up.

Nope. Almighty push doesn't just effect those in Nagato's immediate area.

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The important thing to note here is that the real Naruto was the one who used ransenshuriken. In other words, he was at a distance yet was still effected. Almighty push has a range.


Being liquid doesn't really play a factor. If you think about it, ransenshuriken is nothing but wind, yet......

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The liquid will be repelled all the same. Liquid is not immune to being pushed away, therefore, the idea that whit rage not getting destroyed by almighty push is completely unfounded.



1 thing to consider is that in the kunai example, Pain clearly wasn't using the full power of almighty push and probably wasn't focusing on destroying it. For instance.....

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Almighty push is enough to one-shot 3 huge toads and as Gamabunta put it "break every bone in his body."


Yet, during the Kakashi fight....

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As we all know, Kakashi was still able to fight. In other words, Pain was clearly conserving his power at that point in time because he considered them not threats. The real deal from Nagato might not only take out white rage, but possibly blow the cave wide open.



That is assuming, of course, he even needs to resort to almighty push when he has Asura path.

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You are making this hard to read, just hyperlink your stuff. Its less work for you and easier to read.

-Never said ST doesn't have range

-Water=/=Wind. Nor Earth Nor Fire. We have already seen in the manga what happens when Water is repelled. It doesn't cancel the jutsu. Also Nagato ST only cancels Ninjutsu with ST only when its an incoming direct hit. Show me where he ever disrupt/cancel ninjutsu not even near him. Until proven the range of ST differs on how it will effect the jutsu.

I really dont need to cover anything else.

 

[Beans2]

Oh boy. This match-up again. I'm not going to debate but seeig these replies, I see a few things that haven't been addressed.

First off, Asura path is being clearly underestimated. Kabuto can't dodge a barrage of missiles. While he does have superb sensory abilities, he is not quick enough to outrun them - sensory abilities in this situation don't help him since he doesn't have the neccessary speed to back it up. The comparison with the Susano'o arrow is irrelevant. The moment Sasuke let the arrow fly, Kabuto knew EXACTLY where the arrow was going to land. What's different with homing missiles is that they will follow Kabuto and nail him within a few seconds. Even if none of the missiles land an exact hit on Kabuto, he is not going to be able to stay out of the blast range. A susanoo arrow only affects a small area, while missiles have a much larger blast radius.

Also, going airborne is not neccessarily a bad idea for Nagato. His summoning bird can drop egg-bombs and barrage Kabuto from above.

 

[genii96]

Nagato mid diff

 

[AGoodBoy]

Never said it was weak. Any stronger Repulsive Force isn't doing anything to water but push it to another direction[

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]. It will release the orb's effect early.

Worst case scenario he can use Muki Tensei first, giving it life so it won't be destroyed easily, then set him up.



You are making this hard to read, just hyperlink your stuff. Its less work for you and easier to read.

-Never said ST doesn't have range

-Water=/=Wind. Nor Earth Nor Fire. We have already seen in the manga what happens when Water is repelled. It doesn't cancel the jutsu. Also Nagato ST only cancels Ninjutsu with ST only when its an incoming direct hit. Show me where he ever disrupt/cancel ninjutsu not even near him. Until proven the range of ST differs on how it will effect the jutsu.

I really dont need to cover anything else.

EJ at it again. Equating an ocean to a small stream of water. Lmfao.

OT: Pein loses. Nagato wins. Healthy nagato comfortably wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

EJ at it again. Equating an ocean to a small stream of water. Lmfao.

You mean a small stream of body fluids, that he isn't pushing close range?

Why would it matter what I compare it to, as repulsive force never shown to cancel out a technique far away. Only time he canceled out ninjutsu with his repulsive force when he concentrates it around him his body, then focusing it on a swing point.

Dont worry ill wait for proof.

 

[Jimihendrix]

Nagato wins
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[Red Slayer]

Kabuto wins IMO

 

[Bronze]

Too many factors in this battle goes towards Kabuto's favor.

He has knowledge on Nagato's abilities canon, and this puts it already on his over. Furthermore, Nagato has no counter for respective white rage, Kauya's Genjutsu, Orochimaru's liquefied poison. I can debate this anytime, but Kabuto takes this mid diff at very most.

 

[madvictory]

Doubtable. BT and Tentacles from Asura can bind Kabuto let alone Kimimaro even if it is only for a short duration. Soul rip only takes a short duration after all.

Haha, since my Kimimaro thread, everyone's talking about him.