DSM Kabuto VS EMS Sasuke

[Prince Charles]

The only problem here I see sasuke facing is white rage mainly.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I didn't separate them. I used two different words that mean the same thing.

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Not even sure what that has to do with the shockwave getting stronger, but of course you don't have the feats for any of your claims.

It was a statement Kabuto can do, before the shockwave is created.

I'm not going to say anything on this point. I'm just going to say that you are speculating. I'm not going to join you in your speculation. Its dumb to assume they were out there evading PS slashes when they were all about to die the moment it was used in the first place. Not adding anymore on this point till you stop speculating.Them avoiding PS slashes isn't fact. Its speculation.

Ok, then agree to disagree. You don't want to be proven wrong, so any common sense I stated, for an off screen fight, will just left as a spectated result.

But I will just leave at that: 1. Madara state he will use PS off screen. 2. Kishimoto shows Gokage's arent obliterated by the ending results.

Doesn't say enough

Ok. Then it comes down to your personal opinion. Agree to Disagree

You need to show

I already gave out scenarios on how he can get close, before the sword is swung.

What the hell are you even doing? The Myojinmon Gates are the 10 obvious GATES on the scan. Not the Bijuu Dama tree.


-Hachibi is near the size of the Juubi's head.

-Those Gates are the same size as the Juubi's head.



Bijuu compared to PS are smaller than Bijuu compared to Turtle Island. But size is irrelevant, so I'm not going to continue with this point.

Ok. I mistook your words, I apologize.

Lol, and I see no feats.

I showed you what Manda I was capable of against a weapon of his own scale. We already agree Manda II moves are superior. In the end its not good enough to conclude he can parry the weapon swung.

Agree to disagree

Mokuton Hands aren't the same as a giant snake. Mokuton Hands catching PS blade doesn't mean that Manda II will do the same with its mouth. Sorry pal.

They arent the same, but common sense shows Manda II is able do since Manda has a powerful jaw. The same jaw can snap those Mokuton hands

By your logic since Naruto can block a sword by clapping his hands in between it. Ay can do the same with this mouth cause he's stronger....Just stop.

No by my logic Naruto can block a sword by clapping his hands between, if he is equivalent to that person[

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Or Ay against V3[

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Agree to Disagree

Lol, what? Strength has nothing to do with parrying an attack? Smh....

I didn't say that. I said it doesn't say much. As a Giant snake bigger then PS doesn't need to have absolute concrete feats to be able to block something it can fight by scale. Its all common sense.

Agree to disagree

Irrelevant. Mokuton is NOT Manda II. Mokujin being fast and strong enough to block PS's arm doesn't mean that Manda II will be fast or strong enough to block or evade the attack. Even if I agreed with this "It'll catch it in its mouth or with its hand" bullshit you are spouting, he swings the other blade just like he did against Hashirama, and Manda dies.

The difference between Mokuton and Manda is Manda fights like a snake. It fights by constricting, not focusing on one spot.

Agree to disagree

PS rivals the Bijuu in destructive power. Not overall power. Don't try and twist this to fit your wanked image of Manda II.

I dont see how that matters, if both the Bijuu and PS are as destructive... Which comes through their power. What other power by definition should be separated in context, to prove a point?

Irrelevant. Manda II is only going to beat a Bijuu in a physical contest. If it uses any form of Bijuu Dama Manda dies in a heartbeat.

Ok.

Irrelevant. Irrelevant.

Ok.

Its limbs are pathetically small. Not even worth mentioning.

Its scaling is enough to whole PS arm (When I compare Manda II roaming through Turtle Island to Gyuuki jail breaking out).

Agree to disagree

Not even gonna bother with the rest. Even if Manda II is buffed, you still don't have the feats to say it can tangle with PS, so it dies.

So even if a giant Snake thats about the size to constrict PS will not be enough to you personally.
Even if its buffed up more is still not enough to constrict PS.

If common sense and rationality is not applied, then we will forever agree to disagree when it comes to Manda II facing Buijuus and PS.

In the end, there is no way PS will make a stomp match up.

1. Kabuto can manipulate the ground to his liking by either 1. changing the Trajectory with Muki Tensei[

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2. Manda II, that I have been trying to explain.

All these to buy time with either Sound Genjutsu or Ethereal Ghost, with Manda II support as a ledge and constriction.

 

[AGoodBoy]

The Susano'o armor they coat the with the Bijū, is undoubtedly less dense than normal Susano'o. It could be just a stretched version, unless you honestly believe their density is the same. Look the size of PS. Look at the size of normal Kurama. Regular Kurama dwarfs mountains, yet PS is just about the size of it. And yes, I'm talking about the Madara's one.

Not to mention, Madara never showed a PS just next to Kurama, unless you meant V4. However, the density is still a factor.



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[

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[

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-> take not that the gates(one circled) was able to cover the

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-> kyuubi is around the size of the

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-> Also take note that madara and sasuke's V3 are both around the size of naruto's kyuubi avatar[

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[Brother Numpsay]

Sasuke putting PS on 50 Kurama does not mean he can barely put it on 100 Kurama.

In fact Naruto BM is different then the actual 50 Kurama in size.

All Buijuu are in the same scaling (not litteral size) Naruto chakra cloak Kurama is too.

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[Brooks]

White Rage was a problem previously but don't see that same problem do to the huge Susanoo size Sasuke unlocked....Sasuke takes this.
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[Bronze]

1) PS is not around the size of Juubi. Don't know what kind of comparison people are making.

2) PS's height making impossible for Sasuke to hear white rage does not matter, as Madara was still able to hear Gokage while standing on PS.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kabuto takes this considering how poor Sasuke's PS showing was.​

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[UchihaNagashi]

I'm amazed. PS as tall as Juubi? Wow.​

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[DemonicAvenger]

I'm amazed. PS as tall as Juubi? Wow.​

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The Incomplete Juubi

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[Optimistic]

I like sasuke but,

>we need solid PS feats as of now i only gauge EMS Sasuke's power through his V3 legged version)
>we need PS fighting feats.

Problem with Sasuke at this time is his lack of feats, anyway Madara can hear Hashirama shouting come Madara in his PS which is far below Hashirama ontop of his Buddah. White Rage ends it.

 

[Bronze]

A size scaling between Juubi and PS can be made by this comparison;

-Juubi's clones are Bijuu sized. The Juub clones are the size of Perfect Susanoo's hands [

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-Juubi's clones compared to the Juubi's body [

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-Juubi's full size compared to PS [

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Juubi dwarfs PS by a massive margin.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Incomplete Juubi

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Only if I could rep you again, but I have to spread. People think that since its the Juubi, it has to be greater than everything in every category...smh.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Only if I could rep you again, but I have to spread. People think that since its the Juubi, it has to be greater than everything in every category...smh.

Its not even that. Its the incomplete Juubi. So I don't see why people are so rustled over size ._.​

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[AGoodBoy]

A size scaling between Juubi and PS can be made by this comparison;

-Juubi's clones are Bijuu sized. The Juub clones are the size of Perfect Susanoo's hands [

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-Juubi's clones compared to the Juubi's body [

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-Juubi's full size compared to PS [

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Juubi dwarfs PS by a massive margin.

Dude, you do realise you just solo'd yourself right?
You pretty much just proved what you were mocking - PS being around the height of juubi.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

The Incomplete Juubi

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next chapter show Juubi dwarfing them Though so it wasnt at its peak yet. Manga stated it wasnt at its peak yet.

 

[Bronze]

Dude, you do realise you just solo'd yourself right?
You pretty much just proved what you were mocking - PS being around the height of juubi.

What are you talking about?

 

[Avinash012]

I'm amazed. PS as tall as Juubi? Wow.​

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Nah it is actually taller than juubi but only when Juubi is sleeping beneath Myoujinmon though.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nah it is actually taller than juubi but only when Juubi is sleeping beneath Myoujinmon though.

That not the best way to determine something being taller though.

Its like me saying, I am taller then Shaq, if he is on his knees.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

After reexamining Manga pages for get the best and accurate of scaling, Imma have to go with Kidgamer65

PS is the same as standing Juubi (excluding Juubi's tails)

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If you do the alignment for both gates, both gates shows on the same size as their Foot, and a bit on the legs.

 

[VongolaX]

I'm not fully aware of the feats of this debate nor thread, but I may remember you once stating that Madara's feats for PS can't be used for Sasuke due to the size difference as the biggest factor. A full Kurama was as big as PS, half of it (50& Kurama) is naturally half as big as normal Kurama. The Susano'o of the latest version Sasuke wields is as big as the half, meaning it's half PS size.

Noting how enormous Manda the second is, dwarfing even enormous Bijū like Hachibi, which is the same size as half of Kurama, which then is as big as Sasuke's Susano'o I don't see Manda losing in at least physical contest.

Not to mention it's agility is top notch (snake) and advanced even further.​

Didn't Sasuke's leg Susanoo hack down the god tree branch twice its size?

The agility sensing thing can be compromised with the straight commas pregonition.

That's how Sasuke was able to land his arrow the second time, and land two hits on Madara.