[VS] DRSM Madara vs Juubito

[TRE MERCER]

We've seen how fast dozens of CT can be formed. Downscale that, and combine that with the fact that Obito lacks the range to destroy all of the CT before they get to full size and you come to the conclusion that this strategy never works. Ever.

How is Madara going to get away from Obito and get that high up in the air without being ripped to pieces? His flight speed was piss poor he was whacked right out of the air by Bijuu and caught by Gaara and Shukaku. Plus if he goes in the air he won't have Susanoo to protect him thus he gets raped.​

2. Going underground? How? :lol. Hiding like a Mole? I really hope you aren't suggesting that hiding underground will save him from a Mountain Range sized Meteor slamming right on top of him.

A meteor slamming into the ground won't do a thing to Obito. Juubidama's don't even burry into the ground. hell even Madara meteors didn't dig into the ground the CT's even if he can get them off won't do a thing either. Plus he'll be wrapped up in a TSB Ball.​

3. He does have Hagoromo's chakra.

-He has the chakra he got from Indra and Ashura's chakra's merging.
-He has the full power of the chakra inside the Rinnegan.

That is all Rikudo Chakra. He just won't be able to make them as large as JJ Madara's.

Not much of it and not enough for it to help him.​

And then what? The explosion of a Gudo Dama does nothing to CT in the long run, meaning nothing that'd cause it to fall apart. A size that dwarfs Half Kurama means nothing considering CT dwarfed Mountains, was as large as a few Mountain Ranges while Half Kurama isn't even close to the size of a singular Mountain.

The explosion of a TSB's will take out the orbs simple. Half Kurama was atleast 1-5 or 1-4 the size of that Ct don't go over board.​

Not to mention they negate Ninjutsu. CT is just rock, so it'd have to disintegrate it, and CT is too durable to be wiped out the the Gudo Dama's explosion.

There going to take the orbs out not explode on the entire CT.​

 

[Blunt]

@KG, shouldn't Obito survive CT falling on him since CT doesn't have senjutsu, and as far as I remember Obito took everything with zero damage when they had no senjutsu

CT formations don't contain chakra aside from the core, it's physical damage if contact is made, therefore he gets decimated.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG, shouldn't Obito survive CT falling on him since CT doesn't have senjutsu, and as far as I remember Obito took everything with zero damage when they had no senjutsu

It's a physical attack just like Taijutsu. Only difference is that instead of coming from Gai's fist, it's coming from a Mountain Ranged Sized rock. Only Ninjutsu can hit his body and do nothing,

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[Lord Tywin]

It's a physical attack just like Taijutsu. Only difference is that instead of coming from Gai's fist, it's coming from a Mountain Ranged Sized rock. Only Ninjutsu can hit his body and do nothing,

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CT formations don't contain chakra aside from the core, it's physical damage if contact is made, therefore he gets decimated.

:lol I see. Totally forgot what happened with Gai.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is Madara going to get away from Obito and get that high up in the air without being ripped to pieces? His flight speed was piss poor he was whacked right out of the air by Bijuu and caught by Gaara and Shukaku. Plus if he goes in the air he won't have Susanoo to protect him thus he gets raped.​

A meteor slamming into the ground won't do a thing to Obito. Juubidama's don't even burry into the ground. hell even Madara meteors didn't dig into the ground the CT's even if he can get them off won't do a thing either. Plus he'll be wrapped up in a TSB Ball.​

Not much of it and not enough for it to help him.​

The explosion of a TSB's will take out the orbs simple. Half Kurama was atleast 1-5 or 1-4 the size of that Ct don't go over board.​

There going to take the orbs out not explode on the entire CT.​

1. He charged right at Gaara and the Bijuu. Where in the world is "he got caught" coming from? Besides, I never said he's going to get away from Obito. Obito following him and engaging him in close combat with Gudo Dama arms is just a good way to get molested by Susanoo. Not sure where "he doesn't have Susanoo in the air" is coming from though. If you can fly, your chakra Avatar can fly too. (I.E Naruto. Kurama flies despite Kurama not having wings)

Even if he didn't, he could just repel Obito and send him crashing down into the ground with a strong enough Shinra Tensei.

2. I suggest you go read the Manga, where Madara's Meteor as an Edo caused a giant ass earthquake from hitting the ground, let alone a meteor that dwarfs that hitting the ground. What Juubidama doesn't and does do is irrelevant since this isn't Juubidama. A Gudo Dama ball isn't going to help when the damage from a CT Meteor>>>>BSM BD, which already put a hole in Obito's shield.

3. He has plenty of it.

I wasnt talking directly about Sasuke. I was referring to Obito and Nagato. Both of them wielded Madara eyes and I recall Obito saying something like just a single Rinnegans was so powerful he could barely control it and Nagato controlled both Rinnegan, but each use ate away at his life force, and he still couldn't bring out their full power. Madara being the original weilder can bring out their full power and his Susanoo was already boosted before he got his eyes from the Ridoku chakra flowing through his body. A single eye holds immense Ridoku chakra so both would give him an outrageous boost I know what you're saying but see here, who would win, Jubito or Ridoku Naruto or Sasuke? Either one would easily solo him so why did it take both Naruto and Sasuke to fight Jubidara? You might say it was because Jubidara had 2 extra tailed beast, but give those to Jubito as well and both Naruto or Sasuke would still solo him. This is why I think Madaras' Ridoku boost is responsible for him being able to take both of them on, and its power with both eyes is outrageous, certainly below the boost Naruto and Sasuke got, but not as far as one may think, but we'll never no since he only got both eyes with Jubi, not without it.

At least enough to bone Obito.

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And please learn how to do fractions. Those are Mountains compared to CT. Kurama is not Mountain Sized. Those Mountains are not one fifth of that CT's size.

Then you'd have to show the world how Gudo Dama penetrate deep into the CT to take out it's core when they don't have the necessary power. Not by feats.

 

[TRE MERCER]

And then when he reappears after the 5 second limit, Madara does it once again. Not sure how he is going to clobber a giant V4 when his hands are only strong enough to destroy a Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars, and only large enough to hold them. Madara's V4 Susanoo dwarfs Naruto's Avatar.

-Already addressed Gudo Dama.
-Already addressed underground.
-Already addressed targeting CT in it's early stages.



Lmfao, my dumbass totally forgot that Madara had Limbo here.

What 5 second time limit? If by does it again im going to ask you with what chakra? Nagato who has huge chakra reserves drained himself after 1 CT on the size yet Madara is going to spam them? I don't think so. How is he going to use a v4 Susanoo while in med air? You addressed it but your reasoning was countered. You said how is going underground going to work and i've explained how so you didn't address anything. Obito has about 9 TSB's which means 9 CT's are taken out how many do you think Madara will make plus you keep ignoring the fact of how Madara is going to get in the air in time?

What would Limbo's change? Obito can sense them and see them via Rinnegan and being a Juubi Jin.​

That picture shows a rod not a TBB

Those are TSB's you can see the chakra flame floating around the TSB and then his hand open up and his shoots the TSB right through them.

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:lol I see. Totally forgot what happened with Gai.

Even if CT was chakra based it damage Obito since it would be from DRSM Madara who has Senjutsu from Hashirama.​

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[Omar19992010]

I think what Traphouse is trying to say is that since the Chibaku Tensei are just rocks and they have no Senjutsu, the Gudoudama will just go through the Chibaku Tensei and erase whatever it's going through in the process until it reaches the core of the Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Oblivionx]

jubito should win... he has rinnegan and six paths senjutsu... limbo is not an option and madara might get blitzed... rinnegan techs don't work either since obito has rinnegan of his own means he can use them too... i wonder what will happen if both use CT... though i think he'll put up a fight... but he can't even compare to jubi healing... only way to beat jubi jins is to manipulate bijus inside... even madara wasn't killed but manipulated... only Rikudo chakra or jubi can compete with jubi...

 

[KidGamer65]

What 5 second time limit? If by does it again im going to ask you with what chakra? Nagato who has huge chakra reserves drained himself after 1 CT on the size yet Madara is going to spam them? I don't think so. How is he going to use a v4 Susanoo while in med air? You addressed it but your reasoning was countered. You said how is going underground going to work and i've explained how so you didn't address anything. Obito has about 9 TSB's which means 9 CT's are taken out how many do you think Madara will make plus you keep ignoring the fact of how Madara is going to get in the air in time?

What would Limbo's change? Obito can sense them and see them via Rinnegan and being a Juubi Jin.

Can we stop? :lol Not only does Madara's chakra reserves dwarf Nagato's for the simple fact that he can fight for 24 hours straight with no breaks in between, he has Senjutsu Chakra, the added buffs from Rikudo's Chakra, and the chakra from Hashirama's DNA. Obito got that DNA and now he can control 6 Bijuu with his Rinnegan with almost no difficulty, along with spamming his MS and other techniques and not be tired till near the end of the fight against the Juubi itself. Add that to the fact that Madara is the true wielder of the Rinnegan and you come to the conclusion that he EASILY makes Nagato's CT.

What's worse is that you are comparing a Nagato who had already used a lot of chakra fighting the Leaf, and used CST.

Though when I said do it again I was clearly talking about Bansho Tennin, and the 5 second cooldown.

Already mentioned how he'd use it. Unless his Avatar can stop him from flying, there is nothing to argue here. Naruto has shown that it doesn't, and Madara has already shown how to fly.

Except you didn't explain. If you are going to start pulling this bullshit I'll stop wasting my time on you and focus on someone who actually knows how to debate. Being underground won't save him from a giant Meteor crash landing right where he is when Meteor impacts caused deep craters in the ground (if strong enough), and cause giant earthquakes. Mentioning Bijuu Dama was a useless point since Bijuu Dama is not a Meteor.

And I already explained how he gets in the air. What's funny is all this was in the post that you didn't bother to counter, yet you have the nerve to claim "Hurr, didn't address" :lol.

Then you'd have to show the world how Gudo Dama penetrate deep into the CT to take out it's core when they don't have the necessary power. Not by feats.

And please learn how to do fractions. Those are Mountains compared to CT. Kurama is not Mountain Sized. Those Mountains are not one fifth of that CT's size.

A Gudo Dama ball isn't going to help when the damage from a CT Meteor>>>>BSM BD, which already put a hole in Obito's shield.

And if you think it will be magically negated, you are wrong since it's not chakra. It is a rock, thus a physical attack. I'm just going to wait for you and that clown Kifflom (on this thread and the other one he bailed on) to concede.

 

[Apêx1]

Yet the Bijuu Dama was negated. Don't tell me not to forget when I haven't forgotten. Manga never said Obito doesn't use Senjutsu nor did the Manga say that the Juubi isn't Senjutsu. The Manga showed that the Bijuu Dama Obito fired could not damage his Gudo Dama, thus you either argue it was too weak, or it was negated.

Stop wasting time posting arguments for things that I already know.

I see what you mean, guess I'll agree that Juubidama wouldn't be Senjutsu because of this.

 

[TRE MERCER]

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If Nonuboku lives up to it's hype Obito wins if Not Madara wins(Possibly).​

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Okay, i'm bored of reading this argument about whether TSB's can counter rocks.

They can erase solid objects that are not Ninjutsu based. Here are my scans.
An expanding Gudou Dama erasing a smooth circle in some stone.

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A Gudou Dama Staff cleanly slicing a Kunai in two.

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Gudou Dama blobs cutting Shuriken. Okay, this might count as Ninjutsu, but at least one of those is real.

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Gudou Dama's carving holes in Ice.

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And even if they can't, do you seriously think being crushed is going to stop a nigh immortal Juubi Jinchuriki who can travel through the ground? IE, through some rocks that were just dropped on him?

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay, i'm bored of reading this argument about whether TSB's can counter rocks.

They can erase solid objects that are not Ninjutsu based. Here are my scans.
An expanding Gudou Dama erasing a smooth circle in some stone.

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A Gudou Dama Staff cleanly slicing a Kunai in two.

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Gudou Dama blobs cutting Shuriken. Okay, this might count as Ninjutsu, but at least one of those is real.

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Gudou Dama's carving holes in Ice.

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And even if they can't, do you seriously think being crushed is going to stop a nigh immortal Juubi Jinchuriki who can travel through the ground? IE, through some rocks that were just dropped on him?

Which is because it disintegrates objects. Nothing to do with negating Ninjutsu when the first scan you posted is an attack from a Juubito who couldn't negate Ninjutsu. And we've already seen that if the defense is strong enough, Gudo Dama can be blocked as long as it's not up against Ninjutsu.

Thus you'd have to prove that a Gudo Dama explosion can destroy something that tanked KN6's BD with zero damage in it's incomplete state.

Anything related to Obito surviving underground has been addressed multiple times. When he can survive something far stronger than what obliterated a V3 Susanoo, let alone that many times over then we can talk. Hiding underground won't help against multiple giant meteors that cause giant craters on impact and cause earthquakes at the same time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Anything related to Obito surviving underground has been addressed multiple times. When he can survive something far stronger than what obliterated a V3 Susanoo, let alone that many times over then we can talk. Hiding underground won't help against multiple giant meteors that cause giant craters on impact and cause earthquakes at the same time.

Where were the giant creators at when Madara meteor hit the ground?

 

[Passerby]

If Nonuboku lives up to it's hype Obito wins if Not Madara wins(Possibly).​

IIRC Nunoboku is powerd by will power and Obito was shown to have more will power than Madara and he even trolled Madara twice and resisted BZ's control. Obito always managed to succeed in whatever he set out to do.(Excepting Rin)
So there is no way Madara can destroy Nunoboku.

 

[LuckyMan]

IIRC Nunoboku is powerd by will power and Obito was shown to have more will power than Madara and he even trolled Madara twice and resisted BZ's control. Obito always managed to succeed in whatever he set out to do.(Excepting Rin)
So there is no way Madara can destroy Nunoboku.

Madaras will is stronger. He had the will to actually go through with his resolve for IT.

Obito lacked the will to go through with his plan.

 

[Passerby]

Madaras will is stronger. He had the will to actually go through with his resolve for IT.

Obito lacked the will to go through with his plan.

But he resisted BZs will

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Even Sasuke couldnt break Black Zetsu's will. Naruto had to break it for him because he had more Will Power

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Even Madara couldnt break it

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[KidGamer65]

Where were the giant creators at when Madara meteor hit the ground?

Not formed since Onoki softened the first meteor, which softened the impact of the second meteor.

 

[Bronze]

Ironic how the same people said DRSM Madara beats 1 eyed Jin Madara, but not Jin Obito. Madara fodder-stomps him.

 

[Uchihakil]

seriously juubito can tank a meteor,and the juubi has senjutsu