[VS] DRSM Madara vs Juubito

[KidGamer65]

It's not an option, Juubi is made of Senjutsu and thus all its attacks would be Senjutsu based. Same way a Juubi Jin's attacks are all Senjutsu based.

Yet his attack was negated, meaning it had no Senjutsu in it regardless of what you think should be. Either you start arguing this point, or you start arguing that Naruto and Sasuke's attack is stronger than 4 Juubi Dama near the size of PS. There is no in between I'm afraid.

Don't try to ignore the point son, I know what happened in the manga. Fact remains that this happened and fact remains that Juubi's TBB does use Senjutsu. It's either an outlier or it's because TBB doesn't actually exert force on objects, and the energy per area of the TBB was too low to atomise the Gudo Dama shield/it can't be vaporised.

And this is a poor example considering:

1. The AoE of those Juubi Dama are far larger than what that barrier can contain, thus the barrier keeping the AoE localized like that would only make the focus per area far greater than it'd normally be.

2. Irrelevant considering the gap between a Juubi Dama and a BSM BD let alone 4 Juubi Dama is too great for focus to be your only argument.


And I hope TRE MERCER's dumbass doesn't think I'm going to play entertain a retard today.

I can't answer that, only thing I can claim is the momentum of the ball itself would be immense enough to damage the TSB shield when used in conjunction with the arrow. Either that or outlier.

The explosion of TBB does not exert force on anything, you don't get put under pressure/pushed or anything like that.

And then we have this. :lol

"Outlier" is not an excuse when Gudo Dama has been damaged multiple times by weaker attacks. The momentum of the ball itself isn't an argument unless you are going to claim that the momentum of a ball the size of BM Naruto's head combined with the explosion will yield greater energy on Obito's shield than 4 Juubidama explosions. And I really hope you don't try and argue that.

 

[Apêx1]

Yet his attack was negated, meaning it had no Senjutsu in it regardless of what you think should be. Either you start arguing this point, or you start arguing that Naruto and Sasuke's attack is stronger than 4 Juubi Dama near the size of PS. There is no in between I'm afraid.



And this is a poor example considering:

1. The AoE of those Juubi Dama are far larger than what that barrier can contain, thus the barrier keeping the AoE localized like that would only make the focus per area far greater than it'd normally be.

2. Irrelevant considering the gap between a Juubi Dama and a BSM BD let alone 4 Juubi Dama is too great for focus to be your only argument.


And I hope TRE MERCER's dumbass doesn't think I'm going to play entertain a retard today.



And then we have this. :lol

"Outlier" is not an excuse when Gudo Dama has been damaged multiple times by weaker attacks. The momentum of the ball itself isn't an argument unless you are going to claim that the momentum of a ball the size of BM Naruto's head combined with the explosion will yield greater energy on Obito's shield than 4 Juubidama explosions. And I really hope you don't try and argue that.

You ignored all my points that act as evidence for the TBB being Senjutsu. Sasuke receiving Hagromo's chakra was a powerful chakra as Senjutsu, and it'd be the same as the Juubi's. Madara and Obito received the Senjutsu boost from the Juubi. Yet somehow the Juubi's TBB is not Senjutsu. The rest is irrelevant, Kishi might have simply fūcked up there. I definitely know that 1 Juubi bomb would produce far more energy then anything Naruto's TBB can create, what I was suggesting was the exertion of force since TBB doesn't exert force during the explosion.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I can't answer that, only thing I can claim is the momentum of the ball itself would be immense enough to damage the TSB shield when used in conjunction with the arrow. Either that or outlier.

The explosion of TBB does not exert force on anything, you don't get put under pressure/pushed or anything like that.

Then there's nothing here to discuss.​

And I hope TRE MERCER's dumbass doesn't think I'm going to play entertain a retard today.

Just explain to me how rocks aren't getting vaporized the moment they make contact with Obito's TSB? Or how chakra arms doesn't just burst through them?​

 

[Apêx1]

Then there's nothing here to discuss.​

I guess this will be my new go-to card every time this retard replies to me.

 

[TRE MERCER]

I guess this will be my new go-to card every time this retard replies to me.

You admitted you can't explain your claims but im the retard? SMhhhhh​

 

[KidGamer65]

You ignored all my points that act as evidence for the TBB being Senjutsu. Sasuke receiving Hagromo's chakra was a powerful chakra as Senjutsu, and it'd be the same as the Juubi's. Madara and Obito received the Senjutsu boost from the Juubi. Yet somehow the Juubi's TBB is not Senjutsu. The rest is irrelevant, Kishi might have simply fūcked up there.

Except your evidence on why it should have Senjutsu is irrelevant when Manga shows it not to have Senjutsu inside of it. Period.

Kishimoto screwing up is nothing but a cop out argument with little to no evidence behind it, especially since all of his errors have related to drawing. Not the power of the techniques he creates. Juubidama was negated, thus there was no Senjutsu in it regardless of how odd it sounds.

 

[Apêx1]

Except your evidence on why it should have Senjutsu is irrelevant when Manga shows it not to have Senjutsu inside of it. Period.

Kishimoto screwing up is nothing but a cop out argument with little to no evidence behind it, especially since all of his errors have related to drawing. Not the power of the techniques he creates. Juubidama was negated, thus there was no Senjutsu in it.

It's composed entirely of Nature's Energy, thus the only attack it would utilise would be nature based. Here we see Juubi roiding with more Nature energy

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and then his very next move is TBB

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I don't see why I should ignore this point only because it would cause a contradiction with the TBB Naruto fired. And please stop forgetting about Obito's sensing/Senjutsu, etc which he attained from absorbing the Juubi. There's clear indication that the Juubi's chakra is PURELY Senjutsu in the same way Hagromo's is.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's composed entirely of Nature's Energy, thus the only attack it would utilise would be nature based. Here we see Juubi roiding with more Nature energy

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and then his very next move is TBB

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I don't see why I should ignore this point only because it would cause a contradiction with the TBB Naruto fired. And please stop forgetting about Obito's sensing/Senjutsu, etc which he attained from absorbing the Juubi. There's clear indication that the Juubi's chakra is PURELY Senjutsu in the same way Hagromo's is.

Yet the Bijuu Dama was negated. Don't tell me not to forget when I haven't forgotten. Manga never said Obito doesn't use Senjutsu nor did the Manga say that the Juubi isn't Senjutsu. The Manga showed that the Bijuu Dama Obito fired could not damage his Gudo Dama, thus you either argue it was too weak, or it was negated.

Stop wasting time posting arguments for things that I already know.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Not sure why this is still being argued when Apex can't even understand his own logic.​

One question sir.

Why did his TSB get busted by a Senjutsu tbb from Naruto?​

I can't answer that

 

[ARGUS]

Juubito in V1 state had the strength to lol break the hokage barrier. And lol obliterate hashiramas giant myojinmon gates which were powerful enough to restrain the V3 juubi

Nagato level CT is not doing shit. Especially when Kn8 kurama broke free of them,
Juubito lol shits on them with utter ease, having more of them means nothing when he can shit on them within seconds be it with sword of nunoboku or just his physical strength

Only way nagato level multiple CT are affecting him is if we think that Kn8 kurama is stronger than Juubito in physical strength

 

[KidGamer65]

Juubito in V1 state had the strength to lol break the hokage barrier. And lol obliterate hashiramas giant myojinmon gates which were powerful enough to restrain the V3 juubi

Nagato level CT is not doing shit. Especially when Kn8 kurama broke free of them,
Juubito lol shits on them with utter ease, having more of them means nothing when he can shit on them within seconds be it with sword of nunoboku or just his physical strength

Only way nagato level multiple CT are affecting him is if we think that Kn8 kurama is stronger than Juubito in physical strength

The moment you decided to use YD's logic in your post is the moment that anyone with a shred of common sense should of stopped taking your post seriously. Especially since you both display a ridiculous ignorance when it comes to simple physics.

1. Kurama breaking OUT of CT means literally jack shit here when Madara won't be using CT to trap him, he will be raining it down on him. KN8 busting out of a stationary Chibaku Tensei doesn't mean that he can completely wreck one raining down on him as the momentum and force difference between a CT in motion and one not in motion, and the fact that it's easier to bust out of it when you are near the edge than it is to completely rip through it's entirety with physical strength alone. That is unless you want to add "KN8 physical strength>>>KN6 Bijuu Dama to your list of Wall of Fail worthy quotes.

Then there's the simple fact that KN8 was only strong enough to muscle out of it, he wasn't strong enough to destroy it. Meaning your whole comparison is rendered to nothing.

If Nagato were to form a complete CT and rain it down on KN8 what in the world do you think would happen? Knowing you I'm expecting you to claim KN8 would "lol obliterate it". :lol

2. Mentioning Sword of Nunoboku as a definitive solution is pointless as stated above.

3. Unless you are actually daft enough to argue that Hashirama's Gates are more durable and/or would contain more force and power than multiple Mountain Ranged Sized Chibaku Tensei raining down at Obito's position, mentioning Myojinmon is completely useless.

Then let's add on the facts that:

-Obito doesn't have the range to obliterate all of the CT.
-Kurama already slapped his chakra arms away in canon.

Think before you reply next time.

 

[TRE MERCER]

1. Kurama breaking OUT of CT means literally jack shit here when Madara won't be using CT to trap him, he will be raining it down on him. KN8 busting out of a stationary Chibaku Tensei doesn't mean that he can completely wreck one raining down on him as the momentum and force difference between a CT in motion and one not in motion, and the fact that it's easier to bust out of it when you are near the edge than it is to completely rip through it's entirety with physical strength alone. That is unless you want to add "KN8 physical strength>>>KN6 Bijuu Dama to your list of Wall of Fail worthy quotes.

Then there's the simple fact that KN8 was only strong enough to muscle out of it, he wasn't strong enough to destroy it. Meaning your whole comparison is rendered to nothing.

If Nagato were to form a complete CT and rain it down on KN8 what in the world do you think would happen? Knowing you I'm expecting you to claim KN8 would "lol obliterate it". :lol

How would Madara survive the rain of CT's for one and what's stops Obito from warping above the CT's? He can't faze in and out but Juubi jins can warp there bodies. What would stop Obito from going underground or utilizing his barrier or simply destroying the CT before they get big enough to be a problem? Also who's to say Madara can even use the CT rain without Hagoromo chakra this is your logic by the way.

Obito can use TSB's as flying projectiles.

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Then there's the fact that he can make his TSB'S expand to a size that dwarfs the Kurama Avatar[

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[KidGamer65]

How would Madara survive the rain of CT's for one and what's stops Obito from warping above the CT's? He can't faze in and out but Juubi jins can warp there bodies?​

If Madara is in the air like he was against Team 7, he won't take damage. Yes, Obito can teleport, but CT can be controlled by the user.

-Shown w/ Sasuke.
-Nagato was capable of doing so as stated by Kabuto. (he wanted to use CT to transport Naruto and B back to the cave)

Then there's the fact that he has Bansho Tennin to attract Obito.

 

[Blunt]

If Madara is in the air like he was against Team 7, he won't take damage. Yes, Obito can teleport, but CT can be controlled by the user.

-Shown w/ Sasuke.
-Nagato was capable of doing so as stated by Kabuto. (he wanted to use CT to transport Naruto and B back to the cave)

Then there's the fact that he has Bansho Tennin to attract Obito.

Pretty sure I've already debated this and used the same exact points you are with YD, but it was just DRSM Madara vs Dual Kamui Obito. The difference here is, he lacks Kamui sniping so this makes it even worse for Obito here. Don't understand how people are arguing CT doesn't end Obito.

Goudama aren't plowing through Mountain ranged sized CT, if he warps above, Limbo's combined strength knock him around, as one was capable of knocking Biju on it's ass, five overwhelm him. That and Madara simply uses BT and pulls him into a meteor.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If Madara is in the air like he was against Team 7, he won't take damage. Yes, Obito can teleport, but CT can be controlled by the user.

-Shown w/ Sasuke.
-Nagato was capable of doing so as stated by Kabuto. (he wanted to use CT to transport Naruto and B back to the cave)

Then there's the fact that he has Bansho Tennin to attract Obito.

Obito can warp himself out of BT. If Madara goes to the skies Obito would simply follow him. Also he doesn't even have any real speed feats while air born so Bijuu size TSB hands would clobber him. Obito can shoots his TSB projectiles at the the CT's. Raining meteors aren't a problem via Warping, Wrapping himself in a TSB and going underground, Shooting his TSB projectiles at them before they collect enough rocks or using his Bijuudama size TSB hands to obliterate the CT cores..​

Pretty sure I've already debated this and used the same exact points you are with YD, but it was just DRSM Madara vs Dual Kamui Obito. The difference here is, Obito lacks Kamui sniping so this makes it even worse for Obito here. Don't understand how people are arguing CT doesn't end Obito.

Except Madara doesn't have Hagoromo chakra. Also him being a Juubi Jin more than makes up for the sniping.​

 

[KidGamer65]

How would Madara survive the rain of CT's for one and what's stops Obito from warping above the CT's? He can't faze in and out but Juubi jins can warp there bodies. What would stop Obito from going underground or utilizing his barrier or simply destroying the CT before they get big enough to be a problem? Also who's to say Madara can even use the CT rain without Hagoromo chakra this is your logic by the way.

Obito can use TSB's as flying projectiles.


Then there's the fact that he can make his TSB'S expand to a size that dwarfs the Kurama Avatar[x]

1. We've seen how fast dozens of CT can be formed. Downscale that, and combine that with the fact that Obito lacks the range to destroy all of the CT before they get to full size and you come to the conclusion that this strategy never works. Ever.

2. Going underground? How? :lol. Hiding like a Mole? I really hope you aren't suggesting that hiding underground will save him from a Mountain Range sized Meteor slamming right on top of him.

3. He does have Hagoromo's chakra.

-He has the chakra he got from Indra and Ashura's chakra's merging.
-He has the full power of the chakra inside the Rinnegan.

That is all Rikudo Chakra. He just won't be able to make them as large as JJ Madara's.

And then what? The explosion of a Gudo Dama does nothing to CT in the long run, meaning nothing that'd cause it to fall apart. A size that dwarfs Half Kurama means nothing considering CT dwarfed Mountains, was as large as a few Mountain Ranges while Half Kurama isn't even close to the size of a singular Mountain.

Not to mention they negate Ninjutsu. CT is just rock, so it'd have to disintegrate it, and CT is too durable to be wiped out the the Gudo Dama's explosion.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito can warp himself out of BT. If Madara goes to the skies Obito would simply follow him. Also he doesn't even have any real speed feats while air born so Bijuu size TSB hands would clobber him. Obito can shoots his TSB projectiles at the the CT's. Raining meteors aren't a problem via Warping, Wrapping himself in a TSB and going underground, Shooting his TSB projectiles at them before they collect enough rocks or using his Bijuudama size TSB hands to obliterate the CT cores..​

And then when he reappears after the 5 second limit, Madara does it once again. Not sure how he is going to clobber a giant V4 when his hands are only strong enough to destroy a Naruto and Sasuke's Avatars, and only large enough to hold them. Madara's V4 Susanoo dwarfs Naruto's Avatar.

-Already addressed Gudo Dama.
-Already addressed underground.
-Already addressed targeting CT in it's early stages.

Pretty sure I've already debated this and used the same exact points you are with YD, but it was just DRSM Madara vs Dual Kamui Obito. The difference here is, he lacks Kamui sniping so this makes it even worse for Obito here. Don't understand how people are arguing CT doesn't end Obito.

Goudama aren't plowing through Mountain ranged sized CT, if he warps above, Limbo's combined strength knock him around, as one was capable of knocking Biju on it's ass, five overwhelm him. That and Madara simply uses BT and pulls him into a meteor.

Lmfao, my dumbass totally forgot that Madara had Limbo here.

 

[Blunt]

I'm saying YD,

Goudama aren't plowing through CT, that are Mountain ranged in size, nor are chakra arms making a difference. Multiple CT the size of multiple Mountain ranges were formed in seconds, a smaller one is formed in a lesser frame of time.

Than there's the fact that if Obito warps, he gets plowed by an ST from above and than slammed by a Limbo as the force of ST pushes him downward, creating an even more devastating blow, than the other four smack him around like a toy after the first heavy damage dealing blow. Madara can choose to BT him into a CT formation from there.

Lmfao, my dumbass totally forgot that Madara had Limbo here.

Yeah, it can change a lot in this matchup.

 

[Curse Mark]

How would Madara survive the rain of CT's for one and what's stops Obito from warping above the CT's? He can't faze in and out but Juubi jins can warp there bodies. What would stop Obito from going underground or utilizing his barrier or simply destroying the CT before they get big enough to be a problem? Also who's to say Madara can even use the CT rain without Hagoromo chakra this is your logic by the way.

Obito can use TSB's as flying projectiles.

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Then there's the fact that he can make his TSB'S expand to a size that dwarfs the Kurama Avatar[

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]​

That picture shows a rod not a TBB

 

[Lord Tywin]

@KG, shouldn't Obito survive CT falling on him since CT doesn't have senjutsu, and as far as I remember Obito took everything with zero damage when they had no senjutsu