DRSM Madara vs BSM Naruto & EMS Sasuke

[Zee U]

Location: Kamuiland
Distance: 40 meters
Intel: Full for both
Mindset: Bloodlusted

Yeah, i know this has been done several times, but the opinion on their scaling changes frequently thus i thought, why not? Madara has all of Base Hashi's Mokuton feats and his Limbo is visible. Naruto and Sasuke are their War Arc selves and get their feats showed in the Kaguya arc (scaled down, obviously). Putting this in bolded: Considering that in the manga Madara showed no boosts from his Rikudou Chakra, we'll take for certain that whatever quantity he obtained doesn't make him stronger, GM is restricted.

 

[LuckyMan]

Madara solos. 4 limbos wreck them. Gedo Mazo Kills Naruto as it did in canon and Madara steamrolls over Sasuke.

I would like to see some proof of Ridoku chakra not giving Madara a boost in his abilities too please, not that it matters in this thread, but you claimed it didn't so I'd like to see your reasons.

 

[Zee U]

Madara solos. 4 limbos wreck them. Gedo Mazo Kills Naruto as it did in canon and Madara steamrolls over Sasuke.

I would like to see some proof of Ridoku chakra not giving Madara a boost in his abilities too please, not that it matters in this thread, but you claimed it didn't so I'd like to see your reasons.

There's always something i forget: GM is restricted.

Mainly due to this

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, Madara's Susanoo was shown to be strongest bar outside boosts, add Senjutsu on top of it and Rikudou Chakra, yeah, i don't see any Rikudou Susanoo get overpowered like that. If his quantity really played something it would have improved his Susanoo's overall quality, yet there's no sign of it. Especially when Sasuke's Susanoo, when boosted, was in BSM's ballpark of strenght and durability, and going by simple reasoning like this:

Madara's average V3 > Sasuke's average V3
Senjutsu boost = Senjutsu boost
Rikudou boost > Kurama boost

Rikudou Chakra wasn't boosting anything logically. That attack was nowhere near JJ Obito's bodyslam anyway, that Susanoo was obviously inferior to Sasuke's. If you wanna answer please bring this discussion to the VMs.

 

[KidGamer65]

DRSM Madara's chakra strength>>One Eyed Madara>Blind Madara>EMS Madara.

1. Rinnegan itself possesses a strong chakra. And that's just one eye.
2. Madara has Rikudo Chakra, albeit not at the quality Naruto and Sasuke possess.
3. Madara has Sage Mode.

So his Susanoo is going to be much much stronger, but even if we assume it doesn't. He still wins. All we have to do is downscale his JJ feats and it should be clear that that CT kills them. We already saw what Nagato did, give those eyes to Madara, who has Sage Mode and much more chakra and he'd probably make multiple CT that size in a matter of seconds, if not much larger. Not to mention I'm 100% sure that if Madara got both eyes back and fought BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke in the Manga that he'd whoop them with ease.

Though, weren't Sasuke's PS sword slashes being matched by Naruto's tails? The same tails that didn't do serious damage to Madara's Susanoo when he was revived? If the tails didn't need to be equal with the sword to match it, then this would be wrong, but if they did, it'd indicate that Madara's Susanoo got a boost.

 

[LuckyMan]

I actually think if we take away all Ridoku chakra, Dual Rinnegan Madara is unbeatable and is the strongest in the manga.

 

[Beans2]

I actually think if we take away all Ridoku chakra, Dual Rinnegan Madara is unbeatable and is the strongest in the manga.

He's not a canon character, but I agree.

 

[LuckyMan]

He's not a canon character, but I agree.

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He was just an old man there but we saw what he's capable of already in his prime so he's pretty much canon if you ask me.

 

[Blunt]

Madara spanks them.

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara wins this Naruto drags sasuke down

 

[ARGUS]

The rinnegan itself contains incredibly powerful chakra especially when its weilded by the original user. someone like Obito who has Hashi cells beiing unable to handle both eyes is proof of this even more, so Madara gets a boost on his susanoo by the sheer chakra of the rinnegan, as well as SM.

Susanoo not getting a rikudo boost also seems illogical since the rinnegan is gained by enough rikudo chakra manifested in the body and susanoo being a physical manifestation of said chakra should imply that his susanoo should get a boost despite what was shown,

either way madara wins this,

being able to see limbo changes nothing here since they have no means of hurting it at all, as they lack the rikudo chakra here, and 4 rinbo hengoku as well as PS shuts all their chances of attacking madara,
Madaras PS is far above Sasukes based on downscaling and the boost hes getting it here, as repeated slashes eventually bust it open , and naruto gets finished by Limbo + GM combo right afterwards

based on portrayal this should be no moore than a mid diff fight

Madara wins this Naruto drags sasuke down

What can sasuke even do here?