DRSM Madara takes the Gauntlet

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How in the hell does he beat Toneri?

 

[ARGUS]

He beats all of themm rather easily,
against toneri and Shinju madara it could either way. but against the latter he wins more times than not

 

[bowflex]

he only loses to shinju madara

 

[bowflex]

How in the hell does he beat Toneri?

PS/CT Combo ends him. all of toneris attacks get repelled by shinra tensei or tanked by PS, even limbo swapped.

toneris strongest attack got tanked by KCM naruto's chakra cloak, so unless you wanna argue narutos cloak has better durability than DRSM madaras PS then toneri loses easily.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Except I never said anything about Kamui not being a long range attack. I made the statement about the DB not being trustworthy based your statement about Kamui being all ranges without having to prove how far is Kamui's long range limits and instead...you made the statement about the databook to support your own. And yes, the DB can't be trusted as it already has enough false statements such as Hiruzen being "The God of Shinobi" or Amaterasu being as "Hot as the Sun".​

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The Hachibi is as big Naruto's BM avatar (which somewhat smaller than 100% Kurama...the same Kurama that Madara covered with his armor and was only a little bigger than 100% Kurama).​

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Or maybe it's better if I bring you the scan of how Wood Dragon was as big as 100% Kurama and was also the about same height as Naruto's BM avatar?​

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Maybe it's just better if I post the scan of Wood Dragon being almost the same height as Perfect Susanoo.​

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If you honestly believe Madara's Perfect Susanoo is that much bigger than the Hachibi, then you should stop debating forever.​

Whether his Perfect Susanoo is more durable than BM avatar is irrelevant as a single slash from Madara's Perfect Susanoo is packing teratons destructive power(which equal to trillion tons of TNT).​

-No,Full kuarma is waaaay bigger than half kuarma ,just look at the size difference between half kuarma foot compared to Full kuarma footprint

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hachibi is nearly as big as half kuarma that means full kuarama >>>>>Hachibi in size ,Madara ps is at least as big as full kuarma ,do math and you will realise that Madara’s PS >>>>>>hachibi so yhea madara’s PS is around tailless Jiubi size ,then there is the scan of Madara’s PS in obito’s barrier compared to the gates that were restraining the jiubi

then there is this scan of Madara’s ps compared to Jiubi’s siblings that was as big as Boss summons which is nearly as big as tailless hachibi

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Wood dragon proof is invalid ,simply because the dragon size can be determined at will, hashirama himself used human sized one to restrain Edo Madara ,does that mean Edo Madara body is as big as Full kuarama ?Lel

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so it is either you prove that the dragon Madara used on half kuarma avatar is as big as the dragon hashirama used on full kuarma ,or just dont mention this again
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-no ,Databook hype is the only thing that cant be trusted like ’kamui is unmatched’ or ’temari’s fotton can destroy anything in the universe’ or ’hebi sasuke has god like speed ’
but the description of the jutsus’s mechanism is trusted ofc unless
there is something in the manga disagrees with this description which isnt the case here
kamui being all ranges attack means kakashi can warp any thing in his sight line

-kakashi’s PS isnt made of butter ,trust me Lol,it can tank this said slashes

first limbo can destroy kakashi’s PS ,then kakashi’s PS isnt way stronger than BM avatar ,finally one slash of Madara’s PS can destroy kakashi’s PS no matter how durable it is ,i dont know why i have to even take you seriously
this would be my last reply because :-
1- whether it is as big as jiubi or not ,this is irrelevent,Madara’s PS is huge object that kakashi can clearly see from far distances in the battle field
2-whether kakashi can snipe Madara’s PS from far distances
or not ,in worst cases kakashi would have to close the distance between Madara’s PS and his own PS then snipes it ,the result is the same ,the range is irrelevant
3-whether Madara’s PS is weaker than kakashi’s or as strong or even stronger ,the result of the
fight wont change neither will the difficulty ,kakashi would destroy Madara’s PS with Kamui snipe waaaaay before Madara’s PS can destroy kakashi’s PS Lol,Madara would suddenly find himself in the mid air with no susano ,he takes a slash from kakashi’s PS and dies horrible death ,this is a certain easy win .for kakashi .
-i am currently busy Lol
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[Brooks]

-No,Full kuarma is waaaay bigger than half kuarma ,just look at the size difference between half kuarma foot compared to Full kuarma footprint

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hachibi is nearly as big as half kuarma that means full kuarama >>>>>Hachibi in size ,Madara ps is at least as big as full kuarma ,do math and you will realise that Madara’s PS >>>>>>hachibi so yhea madara’s PS is around tailless Jiubi size ,then there is the scan of Madara’s PS in obito’s barrier compared to the gates that were restraining the jiubi

"Full kuarma is waaaay bigger than half kuarma" Lmao!!! Please keep up the comedy.

Why is any of this even relevant when Wood Dragon Sennin Mōdo enhanced is as big as Madara's Perfect Susanoo and little bit bigger Naruto's BM avatar (who's as big as the Hachibi)? Again, your scans only proved how irrelevant your posts are.​

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-then there is this scan of Madara’s ps compared to Jiubi’s siblings that was as big as Boss summons which is nearly as big as tailless hachibi

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You are aware that not all Juubi clones are the same size right? There are some Juubi clones a little bit bigger than Sakura or Shino. So, both Sakura and Shino also must be the same size as Boss summons right?​

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-Wood dragon proof is invalid ,simply because the dragon size can be determined at will, hashirama himself used human sized one to restrain Edo Madara ,does that mean Edo Madara body is as big as Full kuarama ?Lel

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so it is either you prove that the dragon Madara used on half kuarma avatar is as big as the dragon hashirama used on full kuarma ,or just dont mention this again

And Naruto's BM avatar can't change even though it's the one made out of pure chakra?

Except Madara used his Black receivers on Hashirama (which weakned him and his Jutsus, which is why his Gate of the Great God he used on Madara was very small despite being bigger than the Juubi preciously. Using that scan is irrelevant.​

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--no ,Databook hype is the only thing that cant be trusted like ’kamui is unmatched’ or ’temari’s fotton can destroy anything in the universe’ or ’hebi sasuke has god like speed ’
but the description of the jutsus’s mechanism is trusted ofc unless
there is something in the manga disagrees with this description which isnt the case here
kamui being all ranges attack means kakashi can warp any thing in his sight line

Once again, I am not disagreeing with Kamui being all ranges, but the statement you made without having facts for it.​

--kakashi’s PS isnt made of butter ,trust me Lol,it can tank this said slashes

Except you absolutely no prove of what Kakashi's PS can tank. Saying "trust me Lol,it can tank this said slashes" isn't helping you the least in this debate.​

-first limbo can destroy kakashi’s PS ,then kakashi’s PS isnt way stronger than BM avatar ,finally one slash of Madara’s PS can destroy kakashi’s PS no matter how durable it is ,i dont know why i have to even take you seriously
this would be my last reply because :-
1- whether it is as big as jiubi or not ,this is irrelevent,Madara’s PS is huge object that kakashi can clearly see from far distances in the battle field
2-whether kakashi can snipe Madara’s PS from far distances
or not ,in worst cases kakashi would have to close the distance between Madara’s PS and his own PS then snipes it ,the result is the same ,the range is irrelevant
3-whether Madara’s PS is weaker than kakashi’s or as strong or even stronger ,the result of the
fight wont change neither will the difficulty ,kakashi would destroy Madara’s PS with Kamui snipe waaaaay before Madara’s PS can destroy kakashi’s PS Lol,Madara would suddenly find himself in the mid air with no susano ,he takes a slash from kakashi’s PS and dies horrible death ,this is a certain easy win .for kakashi .
-i am currently busy Lol
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Nothing but a wall of text. Do yourself a favor and prove Kakashi warping an object from that far distance or save yourself the embarrassment of replying.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo will take a damage but it's not getting destroyed by a featless Susanoo. Kakashi can either take flight and stay away from Madara's range or be on the ground and get ganbanged by Limbo clones.​

 

[Eng nawashi]

"Full kuarma is waaaay bigger than half kuarma" Lmao!!! Please keep up the comedy.

Why is any of this even relevant when Wood Dragon Sennin Mōdo enhanced is as big as Madara's Perfect Susanoo and little bit bigger Naruto's BM avatar (who's as big as the Hachibi)? Again, your scans only proved how irrelevant your posts are.​

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You are aware that not all Juubi clones are the same size right? There are some Juubi clones a little bit bigger than Sakura or Shino. So, both Sakura and Shino also must be the same size as Boss summons right?​

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And Naruto's BM avatar can't change even though it's the one made out of pure chakra?

Except Madara used his Black receivers on Hashirama (which weakned him and his Jutsus, which is why his Gate of the Great God he used on Madara was very small despite being bigger than the Juubi preciously. Using that scan is irrelevant.​

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Once again, I am not disagreeing with Kamui being all ranges, but the statement you made without having facts for it.​

Except you absolutely no prove of what Kakashi's PS can tank. Saying "trust me Lol,it can tank this said slashes" isn't helping you the least in this debate.​

Nothing but a wall of text. Do yourself a favor and prove Kakashi warping an object from that far distance or save yourself the embarrassment of replying.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo will take a damage but it's not getting destroyed by a featless Susanoo. Kakashi can either take flight and stay away from Madara's range or be on the ground and get ganbanged by Limbo clones.​

-A clear manga scan shows full kuarama being like 6x bigger than half kuarama and you call that comedy Lol

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It isn't my problem that the manga showed when yin and yang kuarama halfs are combined together ,kuarama becomes much bigger than just 2x yin or Yang halfs individually
Full kuarama being waaaay bigger than half kuarama is a manga fact whether you liked it or not ,madara's PS (at least) >full kuarama >>>>>>half kuarama = hachibi

-Again,no proof that Edo madara's wooden dragon is anywhere the size of Hashirama's wooden dragon ,being the same jutsu =/= the same size ,SZ yamato used Buddha but it is nowhere the size of Hashirama's one unless you have a different opinion

-Hashirama used human sized gates even without being restrained by madara's black rods

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-Again, here is how jiubi body looks compared to Hashirama's gates

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Here is Madara's PS compared to Hashirama's Gates which were restraining the jiubi ,Madara's PS being much bigger than these gates is a fact that you can't argue against

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Here are three clear scans show how tiny toad summon looks compared to one of these gates

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So yes Madara's PS's size >>>>>>>>> boss summons =Tailless half kuarama =Tailless hachibi

-How can i explain it to you !!? Whether kakashi can warp Madara's PS from far distances or not ,it is irrelevant to the out come of this fight ,in case kakashi can't "though he certainty can" , he would just close the distance between his PS and Madara's PS ,then warps Madara's PS ,in case kakashi can ,then he would warp Madara's PS without having to get close ,see, the outcome is the same .
,so let's stop wasting our time in arguing this point ,okey?


-with your logic EMS sasuke's Legged Susano is more durable and destructive than DMS kakashi's PS ,because the latter has no feats ,feats isn't every thing ,there is something called common sense and power scale ,we saw how rikudo chakra boosted kakashi's speed ,reactions ..etc ,his Susano would be boosted by that much too ,but even if DRSM Madara's PS is stronger than Kakashi's ,the result and the difficulty of the fight won't change as kakashi would destroy Madara's PS with Kamui waaay before Madara's PS can destroy kakashi's PS

-Again with the Limbo BS !!!?Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

How in the hell does one actually come to the conclusion that Madara's PS is around Naruto's Avatar in size?

 

[Brooks]

How in the hell does one actually come to the conclusion that Madara's PS is around Naruto's Avatar in size?

Implying I am saying Madara's PS is as big as Naruto's BM avatar when I only stated it's a little bit bigger than the Naruto's avatar than compare to Eng nawashi's statement of Madara's PS being as big as the Juubi in size.

Now, feel free to talk out of your ass.

 

[Lord Tywin]

When it comes down to comparing the size difference between PS and Half Kyuubi BM avatar, only two scans are needed.
1. The scan showing Kurama shrinking significantly because of Minato
2. Scan of Full Kurama next to v4 Susanoo

 

[KidGamer65]

Implying I am saying Madara's PS is as big as Naruto's BM avatar when I only stated it's a little bit bigger than the Naruto's avatar than compare to Eng nawashi's statement of Madara's PS being as big as the Juubi in size.

Now, feel free to talk out of your ass.

Stop being a moron. :lol "A little bit bigger than" and "it's around the same size" are the same things. Keyword: AROUND, since you clearly decided you wouldn't READ before you replied. Though if you read before you replied you wouldn't be out here saying stupid shit like "Madara's Ps is a little bit bigger than Naruto's Avatar".

What Eng nawashi is saying is almost 100% correct. PS and Juubi's main body are close in size and any size comparison between the gates will tell you that. The only reason the Juubi dwarfs in overall mass is because of it's tails. Whereas we have your argument, which is supported by nothing but shit logic and terrible examples.

Now, feel free to concede or continue talking about how PS, Full Kurama, Half Kurama and Hachibi are all around the same size.

When it comes down to comparing the size difference between PS and Half Kyuubi BM avatar, only two scans are needed.
1. The scan showing Kurama shrinking significantly because of Minato
2. Scan of Full Kurama next to v4 Susanoo

Yes, only these scans would be needed if everyone on this site had the brains to actually properly comprehend what they read. :lol

 

[Brooks]

Stop being a moron. :lol "A little bit bigger than" and "it's around the same size" are the same things. Keyword: AROUND, since you clearly decided you wouldn't READ before you replied. Though if you read before you replied you wouldn't be out here saying stupid shit like "Madara's Ps is a little bit bigger than Naruto's Avatar".

"Stop being a moron"? Lmao! The irony part is this is coming from the biggest loud mouth on NB.

"since you clearly decided you wouldn't READ before you replied" Again, making statements like this doesn't make you a badass as you might think. In fact, it makes you more of a ignorant prick.

What Eng nawashi is saying is almost 100% correct. PS and Juubi's main body are close in size and any size comparison between the gates will tell you that. The only reason the Juubi dwarfs in overall mass is because of it's tails. Whereas we have your argument, which is supported by nothing but shit logic and terrible examples.

Dear god this is even more idiotic than the previous one. The Juubi is about the same as Shin Sūsenju in size...the Hachibi wasn't even as big as the Juubi's hand (now remember this doesn't include the tails since you're slow in head and all). I can't help you if you truly believe that Madara's Perfect Susanoo is that much bigger than the Hachibi.

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Now, feel free to concede or continue talking about how PS, Full Kurama, Half Kurama and Hachibi are all around the same size.

Okay, but how irrelevant.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo wasn't that much bigger than Hashirama's Wood Dragon (once again I will mention this details for you catch up).

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^Here we have Madara's Perfect Susanoo and Hashirama Wood Dragon.

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^And here we have Hashirama's Wood Dragon being about the same size as 100% Kurama and Naruto's BM avatar.

Now, you can reply when ever you think you put down what ever you're smoking.

 

[Lord Tywin]

*Hashirama's wood dragon*

 

[Brooks]

*Hashirama's wood dragon*

...Huh?

 

[Lord Tywin]

...Huh?

You've still yet to prove Hashirama's wood dragon is = Madara's in size

 

[Brooks]

You've still yet to prove Hashirama's wood dragon is = Madara's in size

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^Other than this scan, I don't know what is it you're looking for at this moment. Yes, it's not exactly not the same height as Madara's PS, but it's far from being the Juubi height as it's claimed to be.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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^Other than this scan, I don't know what is it you're looking for at this moment. Yes, it's not exactly not the same height as Madara's PS, but it's far from being the Juubi height as it's claimed to be.

I don't know why you're even arguing it, when Eng nawashi explained it perfectly that in fact PS is as tall as the Juubi.

 

[Brooks]

I don't know why you're even arguing it, when Eng nawashi explained it perfectly that in fact PS is as tall as the Juubi.

And how is it an argument when you're the one who asked the question?

 

[KidGamer65]

"Stop being a moron"? Lmao! The irony part is this is coming from the biggest loud mouth on NB

No, you prove my point actually. Loudmouth, despite it being false, literally has nothing to do with intelligence. Which is why I'm going to tell you again, to stop being a moron.

"since you clearly decided you wouldn't READ before you replied" Again, making statements like this doesn't make you a badass as you might think. In fact, it makes you more of a ignorant prick.

No, it's me telling you to read before you reply so you don't say stupid shit. Like everything above and everything below. What you think about me doesn't really concern me so you can stop crying about it.

Dear god this is even more idiotic than the previous one. The Juubi is about the same as Shin Sūsenju in size...the Hachibi wasn't even as big as the Juubi's hand (now remember this doesn't include the tails since you're slow in head and all). I can't help you if you truly believe that Madara's Perfect Susanoo is that much bigger than the Hachibi.

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I can't help you if you don't take your head out of your ass and stop bitching about other's claims when your claim can't even be substantiated by Manga evidence while Manga has already proven mine.

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Now, I know this part may be hard for you, but looking at the distance between the Juubi's position, and it's height in comparison to the gates, you come to the conclusion that it's location would be around the box marked in the scan, meaning it's main body is around the same size as PS, if a bit larger. As big as SS is nothing but baseless drivel.

The Juubi is not as large as Shinsuusenju. Not sure where that came from, probably your ass just like the rest of your posts.

Okay, but how irrelevant.

Madara's Perfect Susanoo wasn't that much bigger than Hashirama's Wood Dragon (once again I will mention this details for you catch up).

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^Here we have Madara's Perfect Susanoo and Hashirama Wood Dragon.

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^And here we have Hashirama's Wood Dragon being about the same size as 100% Kurama and Naruto's BM avatar.

Now, you can reply when ever you think you put down what ever you're smoking.

Lol I knew you could make some dumb posts, but I didn't think you were this much of a fucking idiot. Guess I was wrong, eh?

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1. Your argument falls flat on it's face when you realize that you have no evidence that shows all these Wood Dragons were the same size, especially since the one that rivaled PS in size was created by Sage Hashirama while the other ones were created by Base Hashirama and Edo Madara. What's funny is Eng Nawashi already brought this up, but instead of addressing the argument, you do like the rest of the morons do and dance around it hoping we'll forget.

2. You are actually sitting here claiming that Full Kurama~Half Kurama~PS~Wood Dragon in size, when Full Kurama without it's tails was ALREADY RIVALING

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in size. Which is only the upper half of V4 Susanoo's body, smaller than PS. So unless you are actually stupid enough to claim "V4 Susanoo's upper body=PS=Full Kurama=Wood Dragon" in size, (or around) you can do us all a favor and stop posting like you think you are right, because you are wrong and you sound foolish.

3. And even if those Wood Dragons were the same size, one is wrapped around BM Naruto more times than it is on Full Kurama, thus Full Kurama is larger. But hey, logic is rare around here nowadays. I don't expect you to be able to use it. And to further hammer the nails into the coffin that contains your trash argument:

As for the Sakura scan, terrible evidence. Juubi clones were stated to be growing in size by Hashirama. By the time Hashirama's clone started to fight, they had already grown far past Human size. By the time Naruto and Co called their Boss Summons, they rivaled the size of Bijuu.

It can, but of course, baseless assumption from your side that I know you can't support. Lol so many jabs to the opposing poster, jabs that'd be fine if you actually made sense here.

1. Myojinmon dwarfs

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. FACT. Regular Katsuyu, Gamakichi and Aoda are boss summon sized. Thus around Bijuu Size. Myojinmon is far larger, as you can clearly see.

2. PS and Mokujin

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those same exact Myojinmon.

3. The juubi clones that had already grown to Bijuu size (ch. 634) are shown to be

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Thus you are obviously wrong. Naruto's Avatar and Hachibi are nowhere near PS's size. The Mokuryu Madara used and the Mokuryu Hashirama used first off are either:

-Not the same size.
-Are the same size because one wrapped around BM Naruto several times while it wasn't large enough to do the same thing to Full Kurama.

PS=SM Mokujin=SM Mokuryu (height)>Full Kurama>>Half Kurama=Boss Summons.

Concede. You sound dumb here and it shouldn't take me+someone else to make that clear.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Ok then since one detailed post isn't enough, let's try a second one

Kurama shrinking down significantly due to Minato's sealing technique

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The same full Kurama > in size to unstabilized PS by just a little bit

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The same ustabilized PS that dwarfed mega jinton

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The same mega jinton that completely engulfed legged susanoos

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The same legged susanoo that was = or < to bijuus in size by just a bit

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Kishi's scaling is kind of shit, but he made sure to show that PS is in fact >>>>>Bijuus in size, excluding full kurama