[VS] (DrProof) vs (Kages) Team Mizukage vs Team Tsuchikage! (Debate)

Slug Princess Tsunade · Feb 18, 2013

Team Tsuchikage. A large scale of jinton would most likely find the clam and destroy it.

Penguin · Feb 18, 2013

tell it all said:
You don't have to flame eachother I'm just saying you guys are so nice to eachother like it's a 1st grade game "everyone's a winner yay " lol

Common courtesy. GO KAGE! Drproof is ight to.

killer1 · Feb 18, 2013

well snake can predict its prey even without eyes because it got heat detector so comparing that with other organisms without heat detector is futile

Kages · Feb 18, 2013

DrProof said:
Jiraiya/Muu Cannot Defeat Manda

The minor snake category you've added is not needed, as they don't play much importance in this match-up in my opinion itself. Jiraiya/Muu cannot defeat Manda, and this is fact. Your main counter to Manda is that Jiraiya can kick him in the eye, and make him blind. This may be a true accusation, however that does not place Manda in any sort of disability. Why is this? Let me educate you:

The above being stated, Jiraiya's way of countering him with the tactics you've set up for him are futile. However to fully deconstruct the approach you set for Jiraiya/Muu.

Manda's size doesn't hinder his most important attribute, Speed. Speed is what will allow him to escape Jiraiya's Geomon Jutsu, and Muu's Particle Style.
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Doubts might be given to which Manda cannot escape Muu's Particle Style, however I disagree. Manda is able to do a rather common activity snakes perform, and that is Burrowing. This will allow Manda to completely submerge himself into the ground, and surprisingly attack Jiraiya, and/or Muu (even if Muu is aerial summons tend to be huge, and Manda mouth span is immense).
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To add even more to the plate, Manda himself is sturdy enough to endure any attack Jiraiya/Muu have in their arsenal (except Particle Style) theoretically because it was seen that Manda himself was strong enough to take head on (due to Sasuke summoning him as protection) Deidara's C0 (ultimate attack) and still be fully intact, and actually alive for a few moments. Thus' Jiraiya, and Muu (except for Particle style) do not have such techniques to pierce him. However weapons such as swords etc. (seen when Tsunade used Gamabunta's sword to cut his mouth) seem to be his weakness around his facial area.
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Also due to the fact that Sasuke was shown to reverse summon Manda with Orochimaru's DNA inside of himself that can be classified as an S/T Technique itself. Thus here's what I'm getting at if Muu used a Particle Style big enough to destroy a mass area of which Deidara's C0 reached, and/or greater Orochimaru could simply reverse summon (what all summons do when they are unneeded or willed to do so) to escape the attack.
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Due to the fact haven't seen what Orochimaru's Eight Branches Technique capabilities I cannot debate with it, thus I say Dust Release>That technique. Where as Jiraiya himself cannot counter such. If Gamabunta+Katsuya cannot fend against Manda, I don't see how they can counter something as big/strong as Manda with multiple heads.

Jiraiya Nor Muu Can Counter Mizukage's Clam

Yes, I've said it. Even after the extensive proof you've given I can confidently say that both Muu, and Jiraiya cannot counter the Mizukage's Clan factually. True Jiraiya's barrier can sense his opponents that are caught in its expanding range, however there is a slight problem.. The user can only detect things that show signs of activity.

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Jiraiya's frogs can't actually break him out of the Genjutsu, as he isn't actually in a Genjutsu he's just seeing Mirages. Thus, Muu wouldn't be able to detect the clam as well seeing as he doesn't have any physical sensing such as Gaara's Sand Sensing which actually showed the clams location (sand gathered around it clinging to it giving Oonoki a visual) .. However yes it is true Muu could fly out of the Clam's technique's range, however that would be no help to Jiraiya virtually leaving him helpless in the end due to no countering for the said technique.

Falsity about Jiraiya's Prep Time

Jiraiay's prep time for Sage Mode is indeed long, and it will stay like this due to Jiraiya having no direct help in this situation. Yes, Muu will indeed be of assistance but not much as Manda has already been seen to deal with Gamabunta, and Katsuya so there would be no point in using the frogs to fight against Manda, along with Orochimaru's other snake summons due to the fact that Manda would completely demolish them all.

Your assumption to which Muu would be of assistance is wrong. Seeing as when Muu splits himself his power is halved along with the fact he isn't able to use his particle style (and due to the fact we haven't seen him use other affinities he is useless when splitting) thus' he cannot remerge with his other half as it wasn't seen. This makes Muu a liability if nothing else.
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Muu Nor Jiraiya Can Kill The 2nd Mizukage

Mizukage is at a disadvantage when entering his liquification form, however due to the fact that he is mixed with water as to oil as well has me to believe fire jutsu would only partially effect him.. This isn't a key factor, however so I'll be moving on to the big things now.

The 2nd Mizukage would deploy his technique Jouki Boy which would be the main issue. With the counters I've already listed above Muu would be helpless (no jinton), and Jiraiya would be dead or at least near death. That being stated they have no counter, you stated Muu would sense that it is a clone, however that is the obvious to which it wouldn't make a difference. Jiraiya's Geomon would actually speed up the process (giving the advantage to the 2nd Mizukage) due to the oil hot temperature+water causing an explosion making the explosion stronger, or at least quicker.

Also, don't forget about Jouki Boy's speed.. It's actually quite outstanding, it was able to elude Gaara's chakra infused sand to which we know acts on it's free will due to it protecting him.
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This would leave them rendered useless.. Or to Orochimaru's mercy.. (I haven't even started on Orochimaru yet)

Countering Joki Boy

A way to counter Joki Boy ultimately is with