(DrProof) Tobirama's Resolve

[xREIBIx]

Tobirama just seemed like an ***hole due to his straight forward personality. Unlike his brother, who seems to find the good and second chances in people, Tobirama did what was nescessary to protect Konoha in his era.(even though he boxed up the uchiha possibly out of fear) I must say great thread, well thought out.

 

[shelke]

So, what you have basically done: condone extreme fascism, subjugation, jingoism based on self-created Principles. All you have done is side with a tyrant, who did as he saw fit, and what He deemed 'good or evil or right or wrong' according to his own created perspectives. Not only are you throwing some valuable facts out of the window - such as Uchihas having an equal share in the government and village - but you believe that if a leader practices racism and promotes his own clan's loyalties and practices, he is a great leader? God forbid it if anyone like you ever takes seat anywhere, the other folks will be doomed. Strong disagreement through and through. Tobirama was no fit to be a leader than Danzo was. No wonder he lit Tobirama's 'hollowed principles torch' bright.

Tobirama doesn't care about the village, he just likes to have everything under control. He put the unique Uchiha clan into a "cage", because he was afraid of their power. It was one of the clans that gave rise this village, and they are suppose to be equal as any other citizen? In fact, they are/were much lower. Not everyone in the village was forced to live in one place, not everyone was spied.

The will of fire went from 1st hokage straight to the 3rd. TOBI THE SECOND didn't have any qualities of a lawful ruler. Hashirama should have invested own time in having own son, so that maybe the junior would get some of his ideas, becoming a better choice for the "throne". When Hiruzen was fighting against Oro to protect the village, he wanted to protect every single one of them. His motivation and the way he spoke about Konoha makes him a reliable person as to protect this village. Hashirama obviously had these feelings too.

But, not our boy Tobirama. First thing he did was divide society, causing troubleful atmosphere in the village. There is something that must have happened, that made Tobi so hateful towards Uchiha. I don't know what it is, maybe we will soon find out. When they told him that Uchiha went into chaos, almost fighting each other, he was like, meeh it's none of my problem, look at his attitude. That's not the way a real hokage should respond. He should feel responsible for causing the war that is now. For now, Tobirama appears to be the main antagonist of this series. The source of all problems.

^ This.

 

[Vegeta]

I hope you know you're probably the biggest contributor to his hottest thread, by constantly leaving your hate comments. I disagree with this thread, but I'm just letting you know.

You may be right but it's doubtful, it was in hottest before I even posted. And I've only posted a couple times. I just get annoyed by the whole post your name in the thread/goes instantly to hottest with mindless agreements (like a quote I replied to that said "I didn't even read it but you must be right") We get 2-3 of these a week from this guy. But your right Charlie, I'm not helping the matter. I should just head my own advice from another thread and just not comment.

 

[CharlieBundels]

You may be right but it's doubtful, it was in hottest before I even posted. And I've only posted a couple times. I just get annoyed by the whole post your name in the thread/goes instantly to hottest with mindless agreements (like a quote I replied to that said "I didn't even read it but you must be right") We get 2-3 of these a week from this guy. But your right Charlie, I'm not helping the matter. I should just head my own advice from another thread and just not comment.

Nah man, if you disagree with his thread, let him know, if not, leave it be. If guys want to lick his ass online, let them be xd

 

[TrollingSage]

You forgot 1 thing the uchiha were at peace and willing to work with the leaf tilll they were still hated mainly by tobi despite the fact that they sided with Harashima over madara and kicked him out.

The small pro Madara group didnt surface till after tobirama started cracking on them.

He was just another danzo

he should have been more helpful and firm at the same time

Actually the pro-Madara group surfaced after the nine tails attack on the village. The Uchihas were for some reason missing during the attacks and they were suspected to be behind the attack. Thats when Danzo ordered ANBU to watch the Uchihas which resulted in the Uchihas fault.

 

[Serotonin]

Hey DrProof

Eat a dick.

^^

 

[Phoenix110]

I just have to agree but edo tensei as good as it is and as good as it's purpose was should have never been invented in the first place

 

[Edo Odin]

On this one, I must highly disagree. Hashi mentioned having told Tobirama many times to not to persecute the Uchiha, meaning that Tobirama obviously had some grudge with them (maybe they killed a relative) Taking the position of Hokage means that you should be willing to protect anyone who's a part of that village, and Tobirama did far from that.

Instead of following the will of his brother and simply treating the clan that had just betrayed their leader because they truly wanted peace well, he decided to isolate them and keep an eye on them just because something might have happened. His decision was clearly biased. There were some other choices that he could have taken instead, but instead of doing something like simply observing the ones that might have seemed like they might betray the village, he sent them to one corner of the village.

Honestly, his actions were pretty damn stupid.

 

[CharlieBundels]

Tobirama failed as a kage, this I now know.

 

[Anorien16]

Hyuga Main Brach uses curse seals side branch members and controls them by threatening them with a painful death.... none cares.

Tobirama just relocates the Uchiha but grants them extra power that no clan has (which clan has the power to arrest anyone save the ANBU under the Hokage or such) . . . . . Tobirama is evil.

 

[Edo Odin]

Hyuga Main Brach uses curse seals side branch members and controls them by threatening them with a painful death.... none cares.

Tobirama just relocates the Uchiha but grants them extra power that no clan has (which clan has the power to arrest anyone save the ANBU under the Hokage or such) . . . . . Tobirama is evil.

"Relocating" someone is a nice way to say "drove a whole clan into a corner in the village to keep an eye on them, after suggesting a peace truce between the clans"

 

[Fecal Matter]

Dr proof is genius

Your too funny man.First Nazirama Senju and now this.

 

[HondaSage]

There were some other choices that he could have taken insteadQUOTE]




i would like to see your options on how to contain a clan thats emotionally unstable.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Tobirama failed as a kage, this I now know.

And yet he was the one who was responsible for establishing the modern organizational system of Konoha.

 

[MrSimple]

And yet he was the one who was responsible for establishing the modern organizational system of Konoha.

Hooray! Let's cheer up him now for their pointless union. Konoha is not Senju.

 

[Anorien16]

"Relocating" someone is a nice way to say "drove a whole clan into a corner in the village to keep an eye on them, after suggesting a peace truce between the clans"

Still not cruel enough to put curse seals on their forehead and threaten them with a painful death if they are not obedient.... So tell me how much did the Uchiha suffer?...... Also what about the Uchiha Police Force part? That was mistreatment too? Being given power?

 

[shelke]

^ Your points make no sense. Hyuga clan did this to their own clan. It wasn't the Konoha government. What are you getting at?

 

[siyo]

Inaccuracy


Constant threads about Tobirama's reasoning for him doing what had to be done to the Uchiha, has brought hate to his characters, along with the war-loved technique Edo Tensei. Being as the Uchiha had immense infatuation to their loved ones, losing such would cause them great despair causing them to awaken the Sharingan, but not just a regular Sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. This provided a problem, wild Uchiha with Mangekyou Sharingans something had to be done, and Tobirama had done it (no matter how brutal, or evil it intended to sound it was all for the village).

Tobirama gave them a fitting position in order to use their "confused infatuation problems" (going wild with power; Mangekyou Sharingan) as to why the Police Department was created (solely for the Uchiha). Why is this wrong? Why is this unnecessary hate appointed to Tobirama? He was thinking with his head, and his heart he wanted to protect his village from harm which he did successfully in his Era. So what exactly was wrong with the following actions?

• Creating the Konoha Police Department for the Uchiha Clan.
• Using their power for good (to keep the prisoners isolated, and away from villagers).
• Trying to silence "Madara's Will" from the Uchiha's.
• Protecting the Hidden Leaf Village from the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problems".
• To keep themselves out of harms way, so that the Uchiha's themselves don't recklessly suicide.

Seemingly that is only half of the problem for the ongoing hate Tobirama is constantly getting due to today's current chapter. "Edo Tensei is the cause of this war", "Edo Tensei should have never been created", "Tobirama is truly evil for creating Edo Tensei" these are all statements I've come to hear, but do you all conclude the possibilities as to why Tobirama created such a technique? As to why it would bring back a numerous of dead shinobi? To aid the Leaf Village.

In wars such as this Tobirama created the Edo Tensei (most-probable) to aid the Leaf Village in wars, or to deal with the Uchiha Clan's instability, undying shinobi who could only be defeated due to sealing jutsu. Edo Tensei was truly presumed evil due to Orochimaru performing it, leading to Kabuto using it in the current war arc we are presented now, Orochimaru was truly the one to corrupt the concept of the jutsu, with Madara doing it some justice admitting that the creation of the jutsu could enable an army to wipe out a map. Orochimaru was right, Hashirama probably had stated the same Edo Tensei shouldn't have been created, however it had good intentions, but was abused with the wrong users.


Conclusion

• Tobirama settles the Uchiha's "wild infatuation problem" so no harm comes to the village (the main objective)
• Power is given to the Uchiha Clan to put to use their Mangekyou Sharingan's incredible power (protecting the village, and chances of getting themselves killed)
• Edo Tensei created to stop wars, and instability of the Uchiha Clan, but later used for corrupted purposes (attacking the Leaf Village, and support the war)
• Look at the situation from Tobirama's point of view, what would you have done? (You can't please everyone)

Addition by KGB Kakuzu:

Addition by Derp Obito:
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Agreed. Nice work.

 

[Anorien16]

^ Your points make no sense. Hyuga clan did this to their own clan. It wasn't the Konoha government. What are you getting at?

Own clan or not they are still citizens of Konoha and none should be threatened to serve......

Well I m surprised that none sympathies with the Hyuga branch house who had no special powers but was very badly treated but everyone is jumping up to pat the Uchiha on the back just cos they were 'forced' to live at a certain location but had authority no other clan had.....

 

[shelke]

^ Like I said; Hyuga clan did this to Hyuga clan. Your example is irrelevant on these grounds alone. What makes you think I don't? This just makes the pro-senju government and even the senju clan who let this practice happen since the time the village was formed, that much more racist and fascist. Who weren't concerned for anyone's well-being but their own political hold. I told you in another thread as well; revolutions have taken place in real world over such a lopsided treatment that pertains to segregation and subjugation. How are you slighting it?