(DrProof)The Rinnegan Revelation; Hashi/Madara → Sage/Jūbi

[DrProof]

Yes. Just because you added a few things doesn't make it any less obvious. That's like multiplying 2x2x5 to get 20, when you could just take the easy route and multiply 4x5. Less writing, same conclusion.

Nice job man, want a cookie?

The juubi could of had byukugan before it went ragemode on humanity.

Eh.. Not really.

That's it? The big bang expanded the entire universe, and all that was was an outward explosion of matter. (Put very simply.) Just because it created something doesn't indicate a significant sentience, nowhere near enough to comprehend and analyze morals.

You've gotta feed a bit more than that for me to consider buying.

Believe what you will.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

That's what I was implying. The Jubi was like Madara; Madara tried to obtain peace or is trying to obtain peace through Infinite Tsukuyomi. Madara in my eyes isn't evil, just misguided.

Oh now I see what you mean. I always questioned why the Juubi would create the world only to destroy it. But now I see that it must have been that the Juubi didn't like the way the humans think and the way they continuously are at war.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I seriously doubt that the creator of the world (Juubi) does not have a consciousness or did not form one after the passing of the eons, things don't happen without a reason, there is a reason why it attacked humanity and that is to punish man for their sins.

In Naruto: Accidents do not happen, there is sufficient reason behind every phenomena.

 

[accept pain]

I am the biggest fanboy of drproof and sir serp obito

 

[Reflection]

Nice job man, want a cookie?

Eh.. Not really.

Believe what you will.

I don't see why you're getting attitudinal with me. I'm just speaking the truth. Although, a cookie would be nice.

 

[DrProof]

Oh now I see what you mean. I always questioned why the Juubi would create the world only to destroy it. But now I see that it must have been that the Juubi didn't like the way the humans think and the way they continuously are at war.

Exactly! Derp Obito explains it also.

I seriously doubt that the creator of the world (Juubi) does not have consciousness or did not form one after the passing of the eons, things don't happen without a reason, there is a reason why it attacked humanity and that is to punish man for their sins.

That is what I truly though as well.. The Nine Tailed Beast are persona's of The Juubi correct? So denying that it had a personality is an obtuse accusation; The Jubi wanted to Eradicate the world due to the humans sins.

And Dr.proof strikes once again!

Haha, that I did.

I am the biggest fanboy of drproof and sir serp obito

Lol.

I don't see why you're getting attitudinal with me. I'm just speaking the truth. Although, a cookie would be nice.

I wasn't getting an attitude. I simply congratulated you, and offered you a reward.

 

[accept pain]

a genius thread by a genius

 

[DrProof]

a genius thread by a genius

:dead: The Genius is Derp Obito; I'm getting there.

 

[Ipanepa]

Yes. Just because you added a few things doesn't make it any less obvious. That's like multiplying 2x2x5 to get 20, when you could just take the easy route and multiply 4x5. Less writing, same conclusion.

This makes lot more sense.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That's it? The big bang expanded the entire universe, and all that was was an outward explosion of matter. (Put very simply.) Just because it created something doesn't indicate a significant sentience, nowhere near enough to comprehend and analyze morals.

You've gotta feed a bit more than that for me to consider buying.

You cannot apply your mechanistic philosophy in a manga series that revolves around the paradigm of teleology, there are no accidents or random events in Naruto, the principle of sufficient reason applies to the entirety of the observable phenomena of characters' motives, actions and events.

 

[DrProof]

This makes lot more sense.

How so? He's simply downgrading a theory with simplistic thinking.

You cannot apply your mechanistic philosophy in a manga series that revolves around the paradigm of teleology, there are no accidents or random events in Naruto, the principle of sufficient reason applies to the entirety of the observable phenomena of characters' motives, actions and events.

Explained it better than I could.

 

[Germanicus]

You cannot apply your mechanistic philosophy in a manga series that revolves around the paradigm of teleology, there are no accidents or random events in Naruto, the principle of sufficient reason applies to the entirety of the observable phenomena of characters' motives, actions and events.

The problem with that being there are no indications that the juubi is anything other than what he's been sold as; a mindless demon. If we're not using my 'mechanistic philosophy' than there's only pure, baseless conjecture. Too many holes, not enough material to fill it.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Good theory and nice info.
I agree that juubi wasnt initially evil.
I dont think nagato read the tablet thou.

 

[DrProof]

The problem with that being there are no indications that the juubi is anything other than what he's been sold as; a mindless demon. If we're not using my 'mechanistic philosophy' than there's only pure, baseless conjecture. Too many holes, not enough material to fill it.

I didn't know a God could be considered a "mindless demon". 9 tailed beast were created from it's chakra, and persona.

Good theory and nice info.
I agree that juubi wasnt initially evil.
I dont think nagato read the tablet thou.

Thanks bro.

I mean, I believe he might have. That's a theory in itself.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The problem with that being there are no indications that the juubi is anything other than what he's been sold as; a mindless demon. If we're not using my 'mechanistic philosophy' than there's only pure, baseless conjecture. Too many holes, not enough material to fill it.

Mindless and randomness do not exist in Narutoverse, everything is purposive, we only need to look at past scenarios in the manga to know that my premise is true. So it is not conjecture, but rather a proposition that is well substantiated by manga facts. To reject that, which you are doing, is simply denying the elephant in the room.

 

[Germanicus]

I didn't know a God could be considered a "mindless demon". 9 tailed beast were created from it's chakra, and persona.

Thanks bro.

I mean, I believe he might have. That's a theory in itself.

Kurama said it himself: 'that thing is nothing but evil.'

If he was part of the whole, he should know. If anything, there's more concrete proof to support that he is a mindless demon than otherwise.

Also prone to happen in the manga; exaggeration. Remember when Hiruzen was the 'god of shinobi'? And then it was Hashirama?

No character in this series can be trusted when they so casually toss around words such as 'god' so often. Them describing the juubi is so different. The word 'god' has never been literal in the manga.

 

[theRPGdude]

I don't see why you're getting attitudinal with me. I'm just speaking the truth. Although, a cookie would be nice.

You come up and say "oh it's obvious" like a pompous **** *******. And suddenly you think that everyone knows exactly what you are think cause everyone is as a nerd as you. Really ignorant and blind if you ask me.

Trying to based the so called truth you don't even speak of to others who clearly don't give a shit what you say. :|

Just stating facts.

 

[DrProof]

You come up and say "oh it's obvious" like a pompous **** *******. And suddenly you think that everyone knows exactly what you are think cause everyone is as a nerd as you. Really ignorant and blind if you ask me.

Trying to based the so called truth you don't even speak of to others who clearly don't give a shit what you say. :|

Just stating facts.

Thanks for that bro. Ignorants, gon ignorant.

 

[accept pain]

:dead: The Genius is Derp Obito; I'm getting there.

wish u may surpass derp obito

 

[SharinganUser1]

Another great thread good job DrProof