(DrProof) Shiki Fūjin>Susano'o?

[DrProof]

Hypothesis

This won't be very long, and it's just an idea I have concluded so right me if I'm wrong please. Shiki Fūjin is able to deconstruct Susano'o due to it's ability to seal inanimate, and animate objects correct? So here me out on this, due to Susano'o being made up of a portion of the users chakra, and molded/stabilized if Shiki Fūjin came into contact with the said technique wouldn't the following happen:

• Shiki Fūjin makes contact with Susano'o, the users chakra put into Susano'o is sealed within the Death Reaper.
• The user of Susano'o can never recover that portion of chakra again (unless they use the reverse Shiki Fūjin tactic), thus their chakra reserves are cut drastically.

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This is plausible correct?​

 

[The Necromancer]

I hesitate to agree. Picture sealing a fireball jutsu. That chakra would be recovered at a later date, no? I see it as the same. The way i see it, as long as the technique has already been created and is in use, then the user will recover the chakra even if the technique is sealed.


Or picture it like a tank of gas. No matter how much you burn outside of the can, the can can always be refilled. But cut the can in half at the source, THEN you cut the supply in half.

 

[chad062388]

Sounds plausible

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Very plausible.

 

[Uchiha Legacy]

I thought you was dead.

 

[Kages]

I agree. Nice thread

 

[Kαmi]

I believe it's plausible.
I think it could bypass Susano'o and reach the Susano'o user. It was able to capture half of Kurama's chakra which is impressive since Kurama seems to have nearly endless chakra. Susano'o is chakra based so being that Shiki Fujin is able to seal chakra, it should be able to seal the chakra and the user itself since no one shinobi can compare to Kurama's chakra.

 

[DrProof]

I hesitate to agree. Picture sealing a fireball jutsu. That chakra would be recovered at a later date, no? I see it as the same. The way i see it, as long as the technique has already been created and is in use, then the user will recover the chakra even if the technique is sealed.

Susano'o isn't elemental based chakra. There is a difference, raw chakra, and nature based chakra. Susano'o is that of the raw chakra (due to it isn't changed elementally to change its properties) while as a Katon would be you see my point?

And no, the chakra wouldn't be recovered over time. Take this for example, Kurama's Yin chakra was sealed within the Shiki Fūjin it was never recovered until later action (Reverse RDS) which most likely in theory has put the Yin chakra back into Kurama. The situation is still the same. The users chakra is gone forever.

 

[Solo]

Susano'o... at least Madara's is equal to a bijuu. Didn't Minato say something about it's impossible to fully seal a Bijuu?


Might have been anime only though?

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Hypothesis

This won't be very long, and it's just an idea I have concluded so right me if I'm wrong please. Shiki Fūjin is able to deconstruct Susano'o due to it's ability to seal inanimate, and animate objects correct? So here me out on this, due to Susano'o being made up of a portion of the users chakra, and molded/stabilized if Shiki Fūjin came into contact with the said technique wouldn't the following happen:

• Shiki Fūjin makes contact with Susano'o, the users chakra put into Susano'o is sealed within the Death Reaper.
• The user of Susano'o can never recover that portion of chakra again (unless they use the reverse Shiki Fūjin tactic), thus their chakra reserves are cut drastically.

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This is plausible correct?​

Chakra used in a technique doesn't return to the user either way. That is why people get tired from using too many jutsu. So your assumption is false on that account

Also, the sealing of Kurama's Yin chakra is different than the situation that you have mentioned. Tailed beasts are monsters made of pure chakra. The sealing of the yin chakra is comparable to a human losing half of their bone mass. They won't grow back. Sealing of a person's chakra in your scenario is like a person losing blood (although not as extreme). If a person losses blood, it can replenish. So can chakra lost in variety of ways. Your scenario would mean the Bee and Gyuki would have less chakra due to it being stolen by Kisame and Nagato. That isn't what happened.

 

[BryanSk8]

Mhmm.

It's plausible...

I agree with the part where you stated you would never get Susanoo back.

Maybe Chakra reserves would get restored though.

 

[The Necromancer]

Susano'o isn't elemental based chakra. There is a difference, raw chakra, and nature based chakra. Susano'o is that of the raw chakra (due to it isn't changed elementally to change its properties) while as a Katon would be you see my point?

And no, the chakra wouldn't be recovered over time. Take this for example, Kurama's Yin chakra was sealed within the Shiki Fūjin it was never recovered until later action (Reverse RDS) which most likely in theory has put the Yin chakra back into Kurama. The situation is still the same. The users chakra is gone forever.

What i'm saying is that (in my opinion) only sealing chakra from the source (the user) will cut chakra supplies. Sealing lightning armor, or jinton, or sand, or whatever else it may be whether elemental or non-elemental wouldn't have any effect on the total chakra levels of the user, as that chakra is no longer a part of their body.

For example, neither Itachi or Jiraiya ever mentioned that the sealing of Itachi's amaterasu would do any long term damage to itachi's reserves, even though the technique was sealed away fully. Even though the chakra used to create that specific amaterasu was sealed, itachi later regained that chakra naturally.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It's plausible yes

 

[DrProof]

Chakra used in a technique doesn't return to the user either way. That is why people get tired from using too many jutsu. So your assumption is false on that account

The chakra used in a Fireball jutsu is chakra that is recoverable correct? Hence why the user tires from chakra depletion. However, the chakra used for that simple Fireball jutsu isn't still "connected" to the user. The chakra used to make Susano'o is still "connected" to the user. What I mean here is that the Fireball Jutsu, and Susano'o have two differences. One is elemental based chakra, while the other is raw chakra.

The Susano'o based chakra since it is still connected to the users body, along with it being raw chakra cannot be recovered due to it still being within them or "connected". While a Fireball Jutsu can be recovered due to their chakra not being "connected" to that technique for a long period of time. You see what I'm getting at? Their chakra isn't being absorbed, but sealed.

 

[Draphsin]

I hesitate to agree. Picture sealing a fireball jutsu. That chakra would be recovered at a later date, no? I see it as the same. The way i see it, as long as the technique has already been created and is in use, then the user will recover the chakra even if the technique is sealed.


Or picture it like a tank of gas. No matter how much you burn outside of the can, the can can always be refilled. But cut the can in half at the source, THEN you cut the supply in half.

This seems reasonable

 

[Bogard]

The power of Shiki Fujin depends on the user's body capacity. Minato was unable to seal a complete Kyubi with the sealing technique because his body couldn't handle the chakra of the entire Kyubi since he isn't Uzumaki or original Jinchuriki. If it was Kushina for example, she could have seal entire Kyubi(she even said she could).

But Minato's body was still strong enough to handle more than half of Kyubi's power. Hiruzen's body had difficulties to extract Orochimaru's soul because of the age and mortal injuries he received, so he lacked the power to pull it out completely. So basically we can't really say which is stronger than which one since it depends on the user's body capacity.

The advantage the Shiki Fujin has however is that it's invisible and untouchable. Minato's version can even be used from far distance, so it's very dangerous and almost impossible to escape since it's impossible to notice or predict. Downside though is that it costs the users life. Susanoo has more versatility in that it offers great offense and defense with lesser risks(it eats your vitality though)

 

[DrProof]

Mhmm.

It's plausible...

I agree with the part where you stated you would never get Susanoo back.

Maybe Chakra reserves would get restored though.

They would still be able to use Susano'o possibly. However their chakra reserves wouldn't be restored due to their portion of chakra being sealed within Shiki Fūjin.

What i'm saying is that (in my opinion) only sealing chakra from the source (the user) will cut chakra supplies. Sealing lightning armor, or jinton, or sand, or whatever else it may be whether elemental or non-elemental wouldn't have any effect on the total chakra levels of the user, as that chakra is no longer a part of their body.

For example, neither Itachi or Jiraiya ever mentioned that the sealing of Itachi's amaterasu would do any long term damage to itachi's reserves, even though the technique was sealed away fully. Even though the chakra used to create that specific amaterasu was sealed, itachi later regained that chakra naturally.

That is what my reply was to Q Of The Sharingan. I believe we have the same thought process on this situation.

 

[Yatori]

Sound plausible too

 

[Peinwithoutlove]

i agree nice thread

 

[Waltz]

Thus far Shiki Fūjin has already shown to have some

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on what can be sealed. It depends however, on what plane the jutsu itself actually works. Yata Mirror guards against ethereal and astral attacks, as well as physical attacks meaning that if Shiki Fūjin works on any of those planes it would most likely be deflected.

This is only for Yata. Susano'o itself takes on a physical state from being ethereal as the user guards against incoming attacks, meaning that its existing in the physical plane as a shield and is prone to being sealed as any other physical entity. Susano'o is purely Inton which the user is able to replenish at will. We take amaterasu which Jiraiya sealed, though it had no effect on Itachi's Amaterasu supply. Safe to conclude that even if it is sealed, it can be replenished as Inton itself isn't the users actual chakra.