(DrProof) - Orochimaru | The White Snake's Revelation |

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Eh, I don't see the similarities between the two. Mind enlightening me? Also it yes Orochimaru did become a Monster, but it matters how, and why he became one which is all opinionated.

Go read Rabbit teth theory, he explained how Orochimaru scheming, his motif and his characteristic all ties in to the Demon .
Rabbit teth is doing an huge amount of research and provides SOLID manga proofs and whats also very special --- superb interesting historical informations... normal manga readers would never know!

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All of his theory he made thus far in regard to Oorchimaru

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Here's just a brief example:

There’s more to the theory than you make out but if you don’t see the connections then that’s your prerogative. For me the strongest piece of evidence is that Orochimaru transmigrates which is something that no other character does with the exceptions of Indra and Asura. Unlike Indra and Asura, Orochimaru’s chakra takes over the body and the soul. Also… it isn’t just Kurama’s eyes that look like Orochimaru’s, his chakra does as well.

Kurama (Demon Fox's Chakra)

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Kaguya (Demon Rabbit's Chakra)

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Cursed Seal (the Demon's Chakra - Orochimaru's consciousness is contained within)

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Karin inspecting Kurama – “it’s evil exactly like… [Orochimaru]”

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The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist

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[Thesaurus]

Good shit Proof, always found it interesting to see the different ways people interpret characters, regardless of how absurd they may sound to the average reader.

 

[Worm]

Rather he did it for selfish purposes or for the vast majority he still might of did such for a noble cause. Orochimaru is a mysterious guy, thinking I even understand his character would be an utter lie, but I'm damn well trying to understand him that's for sure.

And yeah, just irritates me, especially when this is opinionated..

Orochimaru is a fine character. Not really my preference or something I'd out-right confidently call well-written, but the times when he was the main antagonist instead of the Uchihas or Kaguya's family are quite a bit better than the current antagonists. So if anything, he's at least a nice character to have on screen. Someone you'd excitedly wait for to say or do something that would help you decipher his mysterious aura on a further note.

Wish Kishi has been more clear with his ideals concerning immortality. I mean, you could hope for a re-appearance and more information in this new Gaiden series, but ehh... Wouldn't really hold my hopes high.

 

[DrProof]

Good thread but I disagree, I don't think he pursued immortality for 'the greater good' I think he pursued it for selfish reasons which was to become an immortal and learn all jutsu.
He was a villian but he was one of the best written characters and the second best villian (Pein being first)

Yeah, he probably did pursue such out of selfishness, but it wouldn't make it any less of a good act would it?

I appreciate your effort, but it's not an opinion. Those are just some basic manga facts regarding Orochimaru.

It would've been much better if you decided to expand on Oro's future goals apart from him achieving a body-less anthology life form. On how he wanted to get rid of Akatsuki and on his vision of developing Hidden Sound. All these things were touched upon in manga and your actual opinion on them would've been much more interesting than simply stating the obvious.

Smh, Nattana bro it's an opinion it isn't fact. Look how many people are disagreeing saying he is evil, that indicates this isn't a fact. Please link me some manga scans, to enlighten me.

Orochimaru had a bad childhood and he became twisted as a result. His contemporaries have said it, and other observers have note his dark nature.

He is definitely a villain/antagonist but that's not a bad thing, it's actually suitable for him and the manga. He's by far the best villain in the manga; the warped sense of being, the charisma etc. It's easy to forget that immortality is only a means to his end; his ultimate goal was to attain all ninjutsu. A self-orientated and possibly viewed as greedy too, his motives are focused on his self, not the greater good.


But he's excellent at fulfilling the role of a villain... his air makes him excellent and my personal favourite antagonist.

I see him more as an Anti-Hero you know? Someone who is neutral, and will commit good or bad acts if it benefits him. So it's possible he could have did so as a selfish quest, but like I told worm, Orochimaru's a mysterious guy.

No. No, it is not. Link me the specific page where it states that Orochimaru is doing it out of a noble wish. Implications aren't facts. They can be taken in very different ways depending on the perspective of the person. Besides, the only one stating directly ''We've known this already'' is you specifically. So, it's clearly not a ''we'' case.

I'd like for him to link Manga scans as well.

 

[Joker]

Pretty sure Kishimoto established him as evil personified mulitple times. o.o

 

[Lord Tywin]

Bruhhhhhhhhhhh

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[DrProof]

Go read Rabbit teth theory, he explained how Orochimaru scheming, his motif and his characteristic all ties in to the Demon .
Rabbit teth is doing an huge amount of research and provides SOLID manga proofs and whats also very special --- superb interesting historical informations... normal manga readers would never know!

You must be registered for see links

All of his theory he made thus far in regard to Oorchimaru

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Here's just a brief example:

Def going to check it out. Thanks bro.

Good shit Proof, always found it interesting to see the different ways people interpret characters, regardless of how absurd they may sound to the average reader.

I have to say I share the same view as you bro. It's way more interesting that the usual going around here.

Orochimaru is a fine character. Not really my preference or something I'd out-right confidently call well-written, but the times when he was the main antagonist instead of the Uchihas or Kaguya's family are quite a bit better than the current antagonists. So if anything, he's at least a nice character to have on screen. Someone you'd excitedly wait for to say or do something that would help you decipher his mysterious aura on a further note.

Wish Kishi has been more clear with his ideals concerning immortality. I mean, you could hope for a re-appearance and more information in this new Gaiden series, but ehh... Wouldn't really hold my hopes high.

He'd make a fine Main Villian honestly. To hell with Madara, and Obito etc. I kinda like that Kishimoto didn't clarify much about Orochimaru in general, it leaves us to think, and ponder what-if? If he had I wouldn't have made this thread.

Pretty sure Kishimoto established him as evil personified mulitple times. o.o

Kishimoto had done that with Gaara, but look how he turned out. Hell Orochimaru has done nothing, but good in the war arc healing tsunade, and what not.

 

[King Kendrick]

Never, a certain someone who is not banned snitched on me to the mods, and I got banned. Thank you btw



I hate when people do this. Also you can't "know" something when it's an opinion, not a fact. You can share it, but not know it.

Oh wow ... Thats messed up lol . Not going to ask for details here , anyways stay out of trouble i still don't see why you cant continue last time i checked those stories weren't really," Inappropriate ".

 

[Nattana]

Smh, Nattana bro it's an opinion it isn't fact. Look how many people are disagreeing saying he is evil, that indicates this isn't a fact. Please link me some manga scans, to enlighten me.

Okay, maybe I was too harsh with that one. I can't post the scans because Oro's motives were never clearly stated, but there's tons of evidence in manga suggesting that Orochimaru wasn't evil just for being evil. Sure, he was cruel and inhuman, but in the end he wanted good things for people.

And I should've remembered that not everyone is a Oro fan, so actually the info you posted may not be as obvious for others as it is for me.

 

[Worm]

Pretty sure Kishimoto established him as evil personified mulitple times. o.o

It's a writting trick. Paints characters as clearly evil, but gives them a noble perspective as an addition. Characters, depending on their complexity, can be viewed in various perspectives regardless of the portrayal.

He'd make a fine Main Villian honestly. To hell with Madara, and Obito etc. I kinda like that Kishimoto didn't clarify much about Orochimaru in general, it leaves us to think, and ponder what-if? If he had I wouldn't have made this thread.

Definitely more entertaining than Madara or Bobito. Don't really like either of them. Though, I guess they were relevant. Should have just thrown out Kaguya and have Orochimaru as the final villain then. And true. Although, he could have always added in some more elements to the mysterious aura that would complete it on a higher scale and have more things to ponder about.

Then again, maybe not. I kinda found most of his characters that he didn't expand upon too much to be better written than his big characters.

 

[DrProof]

Oh wow ... Thats messed up lol . Not going to ask for details here , anyways stay out of trouble i still don't see why you cant continue last time i checked those stories weren't really," Inappropriate ".

I meant now banned, not, not banned haha. But yeah, I will man. I'll look into if I can restart those, because you know.. I actually got FF of the month because of those as you can see

Okay, maybe I was too harsh with that one. I can't post the scans because Oro's motives were never clearly stated, but there's tons of evidence in manga suggesting that Orochimaru wasn't evil just for being evil. Sure, he was cruel and inhuman, but in the end he wanted good things for people.

And I should've remembered that not everyone is a Oro fan, so actually the info you posted may not be as obvious for others as it is for me.

Yeah, but its cool. I'd still like to see the references, because I know little about Orochimaru.

 

[Thesaurus]

I think these can add to the thread.

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Clearly motive oriented, yet not vengeance seeking.

 

[3MESSIAH]

as much as this makes sense i dont want to believe it..i want that orochimaru who`s evil just for the sake of being evil back

 

[DrProof]

I think these can add to the thread.

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Clearly motive oriented, yet not vengeance seeking.

Adding this to the OP. Thank you bro. This also goes on to what Nattana was saying that Orochimaru is good. Thought I see him as an Anti-Hero. Kishi portrays him with a villian vibe, but never truly gives him the evil title imo.

as much as this makes sense i dont want to believe it..i want that orochimaru who`s evil just for the sake of being evil back

Don't believe it man. It's only an opinion.

 

[sandman20]

You know ever since I seen Orochimaru shed a tear in front of Hiruzen before fighting him and played it off like something was in his eye, it really took him out of that "Just a simple villain" spotlight for me.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Hmm'interesting thread.I am back

 

[Thesaurus]

Hmm'interesting thread.I am back

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[DrProof]

You know ever since I seen Orochimaru shed a tear in front of Hiruzen before fighting him and played it off like something was in his eye, it really took him out of that "Just a simple villain" spotlight for me.

I can see your reasoning for that completely. Wasn't Orochimaru Hiruzen's favorite pupil?

Hmm'interesting thread.I am back

Thanks, welcome back Macho.

 

[sandman20]

I can see your reasoning for that completely. Wasn't Orochimaru Hiruzen's favorite pupil?


Thanks, welcome back Macho.

I believe he was.

 

[lndra]

Nice thread man.