[Theory] (DrProof)Nagato Uzumaki; The Second Coming Of The Sage

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The Second Coming Of The Sage; Nagato Uzumaki
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Prologue


I've seen constant theories assuming who the closest to The Sage of Six Paths were candidates that didn't make much sense to me such as: Hashirama, Sasuke, Obito etc. I was hesitant in creating this thread, but after awhile, and being inactive I've decided to finally put up a thread once again pertaining to the misconception of who the "Second Sage Of Six Paths" really is/would be. The answer to the question is Nagato Uzumaki.

Credit to Sir Derp Obito: Thanks for the support.

Rikūdo's Doujutsu

To begin this series of events I must first explain as to why Rikūdo Sennin's doujutsu (The Rinnegan) potential was to be fully-awakened by that of the same clan/blood. You see Rikūdo Sennin was an Uzumaki (as many of you should configure by now if you follow Derp Obito's theories) who possessed Immense Vitality, Chakra Reserves, and Fūinjutsu (this was all prior to becoming the Jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails). When he became the Jūbi's Jinchuriki he had gained access to The Rinnegan, the Rinnegan Formula is as followed: The Body Of The Younger Son + The Eyes Of The Older Son + Yin + Yang of the Jūbi = Rinnegan. Rikūdo Sennin then used Banbutsu Sōzō to separate Yin (Elder Son), and Yang (Younger Son) in which they obtained powers from the Ten-Tails directly due to Rikūdo Sennin being the host of the Ten-Tails, and using it's power to create his two sons (hence Sharingan, and Mokuton etc. come from the Jūbi).

From what I've accurately given Rikūdo Sennin was an Uzumaki more than likely he wasn't the progenitor of the Uzumaki clan meaning that there were other clan members carrying the same blood as him (Kushina, Mito, Nagato etc.) meaning they didn't descend from Rikūdo Sennin himself, but from his relatives which concludes no Jubi essence as they weren't created by Rikūdo Sennin himself concurring that Uzumaki couldn't obtain the Rinnegan. However, a full-bred Uzumaki would be the best candidate for the Rinnegan due to the first host of the Doujutsu was an Uzumaki (Rikūdo Sennin): Nagato Uzumaki is the perfect choice to host, and fully awaken the power of the Rinnegan (The Jubi's Yin + Yang).

This further more ties into the fact in which why did Madara not fully-awaken the Rinnegan or moreover, why didn't/couldn't Madara use the full potential of the Rinnegan? He wasn't a Pure-bred Uzumaki. What we currently know of Uzumaki is that they possess Immense Vitality, and Chakra Reserves which ties into the fact as to why they can learn ALL aspects of the Rinnegan. This is the reason why Obito, and Madara haven't been shown to fully imply all Six Paths of The Rinnegan; they needed an Uzumaki, they needed Nagato. Nagato was the key to Madara's success. The eye was not fully awaken when Madara initially awoke it, the Rinnegan literally translates as the Eye of Samsara aka the Eye of Suffering, he needed an Uzumaki host (Nagato) and Madara needed to make that host experience suffering to fully awaken the Rinnegan's power, that is why Nagato only manifested the Rinnegan 4 years after it was implanted to him because it was only then that he experienced suffering when he saw his parents killed, he further awakened it upon Yahiko's death until he was able to awaken the 7th power; The Outer Path.

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The penalty of a non-Uzumaki using the Outer Path's: Rinne Tensei would result in death in which is why Obito is hesitant in using such a jutsu to revive Madara, with Nagato as the caster of the technique as seen earlier in the Manga he hadn't died on the instant of using the Jutsu that is because he was a pure-bred Uzumaki.

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To furthermore support my theory as to why Nagato wouldn't have died after Rinne Tensei if it wasn't used after such a chakra exhausting battle (defeating the whole village literally) Konan states concern due to his chakra depletion:

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Having me to concur that a shinobi of his stature with full chakra would be able to perform this technique without difficulty, after all he was an Uzumaki.


Mazō no Kusari

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This is also known as a sealing jutsu or a binding jutsu also known as a Juinjutsu:
Juinjutsu (呪印術; Literally meaning "Cursed Seal Techniques") are a type of techniques used to bring someone under the control of the user. By applying a seal to the victim's body, the user brings the victim's abilities and actions under his/her control. With a simple secret hand seal, the user can inflict great mental and physical torment on the victim. The exact workings of juinjutsu are kept secret.

I want to first start out by allowing you to notice the similarities in which binding, and sealing are casually one in the same. Also I want you to take a look at the similarities of Mazō no Kusari, and Kushina's jutsu, that's right they're the same technique!

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Some may say what's this have to do with Nagato being The Second Coming Of The Sage, and I'd reply with "EVERYTHING".
The Uzumaki Clan were heavily known for their sealing prowess, and it was also stated that their sealing processes "were a little rough.". I believe when they state the sealing process to be "rough", I deduce this statement to meaning sacrificial of oneself/others or belongings. (body parts etc.) That being said, the huge tole of such Sealing techniques were because they were the most feared due to their power in Kushina/Minato's Era. Mito Uzumaki, being able to seal Kurama within herself (able to seal a Bijuu takes an advanced Sealing technique) while also suppressing her chakra was a clear acknowledgment of the said statement..

The above quote supports, and may actually hint at how Mito, and Kushina sealed the Bijuu inside themselves; Mazō no Kusari is the answer. What I'm hinting at (which should be pretty obvious) is that the Jutsu in which Kushina, and Obito used were Fūinjutsu taught by The Uzumaki, and an inherited trait of The Rinnegan (Due to Rikūdo Sennin being an Uzumaki).

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Take a look at the above scan, you see the Four-Tails Son Goku being sucked into the Gedo Mazou, and sealed. This was all done by Mazō no Kusari, a deprived jutsu from the Uzumaki clan inherited into the Rinnegan due to The Sage himself being a pure-bred Uzumaki. Kushina herself furthermore proved that Mazō no Kusari was a sealing jutsu as she stated that she would integrate the Kurama back into her body, and die with it inside of her.

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That's that, I've just fully explained how this Juinjutsu is actually a Fūinjutsu or a Hybrid in the least. However, many of you may still be wondering how this ties into Nagato? That's because of what Obito had distinctively said in the scan below "They're stronger restraints than Nagato's Gedo Powers":

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What Obito is talking about is Nagato's Outer Path technique, also known as Gedo. He is connecting this Fūinjutsu/Juinjutsu hybrid to that of which Nagato could use, but he's iterating that his is a stronger version. So in conclusion Obito is making it known that Nagato has the same restraints with the Gedo as well, which isn't hard to believe as Nagato was the master of the Rinnegan (after Rikūdo Sennin of course).


Fūinjutsu

Rikūdo Sennin, and The Uzumaki Clan were known well for using Rikūdo sealing techniques (hence why they were such a feared clan, and were eliminated). We've seen many Uzumaki use powerful Fūinjutsu EG: Kushina, Rikūdo Sennin, and Nagato (yes I said Nagato). The common sealing technique in which Nagato Uzumaki, and Rikūdo Sennin pertained was Chibaku Tensei.

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Correct Chibaku Tensei was a sealing technique in which Nagato, and Rikūdo Sennin had in common, Rikūdo Sennin had used a moon-sized Chibaku Tensei to imprison the Ten-Tails in which created it's shell as well; The Gedo Mazou (made of Senju DNA to keep at bay the Bijuu power). So in conclusion the strongest offensive jutsu was actually the greatest sealing jutsu. Rikūdo Sennin never swayed away from his Fūinjutsu origination (Uzumaki were known to be the best Fūinjutsu users), he just implicated it differently.

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Nagato seemingly had taken to the same implications as his predecessor Rikūdo Sennin. However, Nagato had also implied another way of sealing in which sealed capture Bijuu, but this technique took several days and wasn't of normal methods (needed several akatsuki members to seal the Bijuu). Still this shows how Nagato also stood near his Uzumaki ties in Fūinjutsu. This technique was namely proclaimed as: Fūinjutsu: Genryū Kyūfūjin.

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Conclusion​
  • Uzumaki Nagato is The Second Coming Of The Sage.

 

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Nah i dont think second sage because he still hasnt learn the beast bomb and the full transformation of the kyuubi and there are a lot of other theorys that he might get rinnegan.
But good job you spent time on this theory
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what the hell is this, a bio

you normally include a certain photo

i like the thread title, your an egomaniac

you spent a lot of time making this thread
 
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Nah i dont think second sage because he still hasnt learn the beast bomb and the full transformation of the kyuubi and there are a lot of other theorys that he might get rinnegan.
But good job you spent time on this theory
: )

He said Nagato,not Naruto HAHAHAA.
 

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This further more ties into the fact in which why did Madara not fully-awaken the Rinnegan or moreover, why didn't/couldn't Madara use the full potential of the Rinnegan?

Uh he could!! He brought the gedo mazo from the moon and unlocked the seal in an old age!
 

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Nah i dont think second sage because he still hasnt learn the beast bomb and the full transformation of the kyuubi and there are a lot of other theorys that he might get rinnegan.
But good job you spent time on this theory
: )

I'm talking about Nagato, not Naruto.

Nagato's Similarities to Rikūdo Sennin
-Pure-bred Uzumaki
-Rinnegan Mastery
-Fūinjutsu Mastery
-Immense Vitality
-Chakra Reserves

Anyone notice that Rikūdo Sennin isn't called "The Sage Of 7 Paths"? As Nagato has mastered all 7, while as it is only presumed that Rikūdo Sennin has mastered 6.
 

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i like the thread title, your an egomaniac

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.. This is spam bro.
He said Nagato,not Naruto HAHAHAA.
It's a common misconception, no worries.
Uh he could!! He brought the gedo mazo from the moon and unlocked the seal in an old age!
Incorrect, as Madara needed Nagato to perfect the Rinnegan as he couldn't use Rinne Tensei along with wanting to go back to a young age. And it was never stated that Madara had summed the Gedo from the moon. If so please show me a link.
just NO.!!
Please explain why you disagree. This isn't a rebuttal to my argument.
 

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there are some people near to sage...

but the true second Rikudu is the one who rikudu himseld talked about him and he promised that one they he will come
and gather all bijuu again!!!

+ juubi already saw the rikudu in naruto
just saying
 

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there are some people near to sage...

but the true second Rikudu is the one who rikudu himseld talked about him and he promised that one they he will come
and gather all bijuu again!!!

+ juubi already saw the rikudu in naruto
just saying

It may be true that the Bijuu are coming together because Naruto. However, that does not refute the fact that Nagato is possibly the closest to the human Rikūdo Sennin stature. (Madara is closest to The Jubi infused Rikūdo Sennin). Naruto isn't even a pure-bred Uzumaki, I don't see how he is truly a candidate other than being a half-bred Uzumaki with Bijuu connections.
 
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i agree, ppl underestimeate nagato after pain fought naruto but his power is unrivaled outside of the sage. i dont put the 1st and madara in the catagory because of nagatos mastery of all of his justsu.. from absorbing chakra to killing ppl and bringing them back to life it make it impossible to beat him unless you seal him... madara and the 1st might be stronger but nagatos the perfect being if you look at it from all angles
 

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I was agreeing till you said the sage was an Uzumaki :| The rinnegan doesnt even have anything to do with the Uzumaki's, Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, as you're prolly aware of. Bottomline, the Sage is not an Uzumaki. The Uzumaki's most likely received the gift of his sealings though. The Senju, Got dat Body. Uchiha got dose eyes, and the Uzumaki his sealing methods :cool:
 

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i agree, ppl underestimeate nagato after pain fought naruto but his power is unrivaled outside of the sage. i dont put the 1st and madara in the catagory because of nagatos mastery of all of his justsu.. from absorbing chakra to killing ppl and bringing them back to life it make it impossible to beat him unless you seal him... madara and the 1st might be stronger but nagatos the perfect being if you look at it from all angles

Nagato is just overly versatile, without mobility. He's (as you've stated) the perfect shinobi. If only he had mobility within his legs.
 

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When the Sage of the Six Paths separated its chakra from its body to create the tailed beasts, he sealed the hollowed husk that was the Ten-Tails's body within the moon, where it remained until it was summoned by Madara Uchiha, who had acquired Senju DNA and awakened the Rinnegan. Madara then christened the empty husk the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path

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No he is not the second comeing of sage bcoz he didn't awakend Rinngan on his own,,it is Madara who awakend them and gave them to Nagato ,if Madara woulden't have given them to him then Nagato wil be a fodder ....and also having Sage's power's doent mean that he is the second comng of sage ,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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.. This is spam bro.

It's a common misconception, no worries.

Incorrect, as Madara needed Nagato to perfect the Rinnegan as he couldn't use Rinne Tensei along with wanting to go back to a young age. And it was never stated that Madara had summed the Gedo from the moon. If so please show me a link.

Please explain why you disagree. This isn't a rebuttal to my argument.

WRONG!. Madara wanted nagato to use rinne tensei On him, not master the rinnegan. where does it state madara needed nagato master rinnegan??

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After awaking the rinnegan, in an age in the panel before this. Madara said it at the time IT ALSO ALLOWED ME TO BREAK A CERTAIN SEAL. Yeah he did brought it back..
 

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I was agreeing till you said the sage was an Uzumaki :| The rinnegan doesnt even have anything to do with the Uzumaki's, Madara gave his eyes to Nagato, as you're prolly aware of. Bottomline, the Sage is not an Uzumaki. The Uzumaki's most likely received the gift of his sealings though. The Senju, Got dat Body. Uchiha got dose eyes, and the Uzumaki his sealing methods :cool:

I disagree bro, I'm sure you've read Derp Obito's threads correct? Buddhism references strongly predict that the Sage is an Uzumaki.
 

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It may be true that the Bijuu are coming together because Naruto. However, that does not refute the fact that Nagato is possibly the closest to the human Rikūdo Sennin stature. (Madara is closest to The Jubi infused Rikūdo Sennin). Naruto isn't even a pure-bred Uzumaki, I don't see how he is truly a candidate other than being a half-bred Uzumaki with Bijuu connections.

I know! I agree!
but the naruto is spot light!
I think naruto even may visit rikudu in his chakra form (like he met his father & mother) which is sealed in 9tail or 10 tail!!!
then rikudu will tell him what to do or how to seal juubi or what ever...
 

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No he is not the second comeing of sage bcoz he didn't awakend Rinngan on his own,,it is Madara who awakend them and gave them to Nagato ,if Madara woulden't have given them to him then Nagato wil be a fodder ....and also having Sage's power's doent mean that he is the second comng of sage ,,,,,,,,,,,

You're just mad I didn't say Hashirama was the second sage. :heh:

WRONG!. Madara wanted nagato to use rinne tensei On him, not master the rinnegan. where does it state madara needed nagato master rinnegan??

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After awaking the rinnegan, in an age in the panel before this. Madara said it at the time IT ALSO ALLOWED ME TO BREAK A CERTAIN SEAL. Yeah he did brought it back..
Ah. It still doesn't refute my theory in all honesty. You're just correcting a misconception I've had.
 

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