(DrProof) Madara's Coup D'état Against Tobirama.

[Seventh Hokage]

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this was his last battle

 

[Seventh Hokage]

Read this to.

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Thanks girl.

it says on the verge of death not killed him

 

[DrProof]

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this was his last battle

Hanzo is from Amegakure, not Kumogakure. He couldn't have assassinated Tobirama.

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[Seventh Hokage]

Hanzo is from Amegakure, not Kumogakure. He couldn't have assassinated Tobirama.

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um why not?

 

[DrProof]

um why not?

Is wasn't even suggested that Hanzo was born in the Era.. Along with the fact it was never suggested he came into relevance with the 2nd Hokage.

 

[Seventh Hokage]

I just read narutopedia it explained it all

 

[taladagah]

Reason/Conclusion For Madara's Coup D'état

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Prologue

Quite a few theories have come up saying Madara was the cause of Tobirama's death in which, I do believe to be true. However, the explanations, along with the "proof" they've provided in some of their hypothesis are considerably inaccurate. I will be explaining as to how Madara Uchiha possibly planned a Coup D'état against Tobirama, along with his reasoning for the plot that ultimately killed Tobirama Senju.​

Hypothesis​

Madara Uchiha, a man who seemingly disliked Tobirama Senju (while Tobirama's feelings were sort of mutual as well) for his paranoia against the Uchiha clan seemingly (in my opinion) planned Tobirama's assination. However, what led up to Madara's hatred toward Tobirama, as well as why? What triggered it all was Madara's younger brother Izuna was killed by Tobirama Senju.

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This led Madara to hate Tobirama, and ultimately give Hashirama a choice; kill himself or Tobirama (Madara most likely wanted Hashirama to kill Tobirama, I'll get back to this later).

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As Tobirama thoroughly explains to Hashirama as to why Madara most likely won't be elected for the position of Hokage, Madara is presumed to have been eavesdropping hearing the negativity toward himself in Tobirama's speech to Hashirama, thus creating even more tension between the two.

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As Tobirama's opinion, and realization on the topic was digested by Madara, he came to a conclusion that Tobirama would annihilate the Uchiha clan whole if he was appointed 2nd Hokage in the future (which he was) this lead to Madara's defection from the Hidden Leaf Village, and the plot for his revenge against Tobirama.

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So let's go over what we do know..

• Tobirama assassinates Izuna Uchiha; Madara's loss for his younger brother starts to hate Tobirama Senju.
• Madara eavesdrops on Tobirama, and Hashirama's conversation. Tobirama says Madara most likely won't be voted for the position of Hokage; Madara develops even more hate for Tobirama.
• Madara's hate grows for Tobirama, inquiring that if Tobirama is appointed the position of 2nd Hokage he will exterminate the Uchiha clan; Madara defects from the Hidden Leaf Village.

Here's the actual theory.. After Madara defected from the Uchiha clan, and Hashirama died from some cause we still do not know of, Tobirama was appointed 2nd Hokage. Tobirama met up with the 2nd Raikage (possibly to become allies), Kumogakure the village of Tobirama's assassins The Gold/Silver Brothers, and twenty elite bounty hunters. I believe that after Madara Uchiha soon defected from the Hidden Leaf Village he looked for his answer to his Yin/Yang interpretation, in which he came across, and most likely persuaded a team of 22 members (Gin/Kin & 20 elite bounty hunters) to attack the 2nd Hokage, Tobirama Senju.

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Madara was seen to live up to the Era of a teenage Obito Uchiha, which was decades from his prime era in which further more supports my theory as to how he set up a Coup D'état against Tobirama.

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However, why was all of this done even after Madara so called "trusted" Hashirama? Because of jealousy.

Correct. Madara was jealous of Tobirama being Hashirama's sibling, and being chosen before himself. This all goes back to Madara giving Hashirama a choice, kill himself or Tobirama, I believe Madara truly wanted Hashirama to assassinate Tobirama due to Madara feeling that of Hashirama to be a brother (Hashirama calls Madara his brother as well).

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To further more prove this, Madara even made Hashirama think about choosing Tobirama or Madara for the villages sake, but of course Hashirama undoubtedly chose his blood related brother; this caused Madara's jealousy, and Tobirama's later death.

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Conclusion​

• Madara Uchiha persuaded the Gin/Kin Squad to assassinate The 2nd Hokage, Tobirama Senju out of jealousy, and hate.
• Madara Uchiha's reasoning (most likely) was the favoritism that Hashirama gave Tobirama (his real brother) rather than showing such to Madara himself (he wanted Hashirama to kill Tobirama to fix the predicted extermination of the Uchiha clan)

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dang mr. doctor dude. u probly loved death note. but ill rep u for ur work

 

[AlphaScythian]

This is based on so many void arguments i dont wanna even start to disprove it as im sick of tobirama and madara for today. All the possible arguments were already used today.
But thanks for your input anyway.

 

[taladagah]

Is wasn't even suggested that Hanzo was born in the Era.. Along with the fact it was never suggested he came into relevance with the 2nd Hokage.

I think u where right about his death i posted a link at the bottom where it list how he died and the coupe wutever in the passage ontop of personality

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[DeDoll]

Madara hater -_-

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Just one thing.

I have always thought of, and I still think the same way, that Tobirama's meeting with the Second Raikage and Tobirama VS the Kinkaku Force were two different happenings, maybe years apart.

You may ask why, and I will tell you.

Because as we know, at the meeting, Tobirama was left on the verge of death. Which means, if the two are connected Tobirama should have been on the verge of death before facing the Kinkaku Force. But he was not. Which means if they said that he was on the verge of death, means he survived the Kin & Gin brothers coup d'état and lived to see another day.

 

[taladagah]

Just one thing.

I have always thought of, and I still think the same way, that Tobirama's meeting with the Second Raikage and Tobirama VS the Kinkaku Force were two different happenings, maybe years apart.

You may ask why, and I will tell you.

Because as we know, at the meeting, Tobirama was left on the verge of death. Which means, if the two are connected Tobirama should have been on the verge of death before facing the Kinkaku Force. But he was not. Which means if they said that he was on the verge of death, means he survived the Kin & Gin brothers coup d'état and lived to see another day.

just read, i keep postin it

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[IKSOKRIPS]

just read, i keep postin it

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I have read Narutopedia from one end to the other, there is nothing more as there is in the Manga and Databook, cuz that's what it is - gathered information from them.

Plus, there are some things wrong in Narutopedia.

 

[taladagah]

I have read Narutopedia from one end to the other, there is nothing more as there is in the Manga and Databook, cuz that's what it is - gathered information from them.

Plus, there are some things wrong in Narutopedia.

i was just agreeing with u, gee willickers bat man!?

 

[Frikid]

are you confusing 20 master bounty hunters with gin/kin bros?

Gin/kin bros attacked konoha to kill 2nd raikage and maybe 2nd hokage and stop the alliance formation. - tobirama survived this .

Tobirama died while trying to protect his team from 20 master bounty hunters.

 

[LordRevan]

WAAAYY FAR OFF.

Either way what Madara said came true about Tobirama.

 

[DrProof]

Thanks for your input everyone.