(DrProof) - Kimimaro >>> Sakura [Must Read]

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Follow this to differentiate which segment of the thread is which:​

I. Speed/Reflex Analysis
II. Durability Analysis
III. Taijutsu Analysis
IV. Healing Analysis
V. Kimimaro vs Sakura​

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I.

Kimimaro has been shown to be quite the speedy/reflexive character as seen in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc. Firstly the scrimmage against KN0 Naruto, and his thousand(s) of clones. [ ] In these scans, Kimimaro pretty much wiped the floor with KN0 Naruto, as well his clones. Moments later Kimimaro pulled off another rather impressive Speed Feat. [ ] without Naruto noticing albeit Naruto literally facing Kimimaro to look at Sasuke.

Now against Lee. Kimimaro made Lee seem like child's play when in actuality Lee was one of the Fastest Ninja in Part 1. Here in these scans, Kimimaro out sped Lee's CQC assaults repeatedly. [ ] Another case in which Kimimaro out sped Lee's assault is when Lee entered the First Inner Eight Gates. [ ]

Lee even complimented my boy Kimimaro saying: "I couldn't even land a kick on him". Fastest ninja in Part One couldn't land a kick on a dying (basically already dead) Kimimaro moving his body out of pure will power. Props to you Kimimaro, props to you.

Several chapters later.. Gaara. Kimimaro completely avoided Gaara's sand until Gaara created a mass amount of Sand to grab hold of Kimimaro, as seen here Kimimaro out sped, and dodged all of Gaara's assaults. [ ] Just a quick introduction on Kimimaro's Speed Feats, while that not being all of them, you all get the jest.​


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Kimimaro is by far one of the most durable characters in Part One, as well Part Two. First off his bones were said to be as hard as tempered steel itself, not to mention a chakra blade said to cause mass destruction to anything they touch ex; boulders etc. [ ]. On top of that feat itself, lets not forget the most (if not should be) praised durability compliment Orochimaru gave to Kimimaro's bodily structure .

(Impenetrable - Impossible to pass through or enter).

Thank you Lord Orochimaru one of the most durable villains in the NV giving a durability feat; Believe in the Hype. Back in the Gaara fight as well, Kimimaro had shown incredible, beyond superhuman durability against Gaara's immense Sand assaults. [ ]. Any human without some sort of body hardening technique would be destroyed by this technique, this also strengthens Orochimaru's statement.

A couple more high pressured Sand assaults Kimimaro survived are the following [ ]. That Kimimaro, that durability.. And it doesn't stop there, the beast that is Kimimaro shrugs that off, and comes back for more [ ]. If it hasn't already been implied while in CM2 Kimimaro has gained abnormal strength (even more than he had before), enough to pull of feats like.. Well just keep reading on.

Charging on headstrong Kimimaro's durability (as well physical strength) proves to be even more lethal completely demolishing a wall of sand created by Gaara [ ]. Then Kimimaro seemingly doesn't even seem bothered by Lee's fast-paced kick, swatting him away like a pest [ ].

The last, and best durability feat that Kimmaro had performed that fight was when Gaara had sunk Kimimaro 200 meters deep into the ground under pressurized Sand [ ]Dat Kimimaro.





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III.

(This was one of the boring sections. V.V The next one is a throwback, and more interesting). Why does this even need a section? Everyone on base (Hopefully) knows that Kimimaro is Top 3 in Taijutsu. Complimented by Lee a Taijutsu prodigy . Not to mention his bodily structure allows him to fight Unorthodox, basically you can't read his attacks [ ]. On top of the already strong capabilities Kimimaro harbors in Taijutsu, he's mastered the "Five Dances":

I. Yanagi no Mai (Dance of the Willow)
To perform this dance, Kimimaro grows several long bone blades from his body for use as weapons. There isn't any set form for the Dance of the Willow. Just like a willow that is shaken by the wind, the opponents attacks are simply parried and countered. Kimimaro primarily uses two blades grown from the palms of his hands, he also uses several secondary bones grown from his elbows, knees, and shoulders. This dance form is incredibly acrobatic, using spins, charges, and long sweeping slashes to make the strikes more effective and to evade opponents' counter strikes. Kimimaro can also extend his bones to attack his opponents without having to adjust his own movement. [ ]

II. Tsubaki no Mai (Dance of the Camellia)
The second of Kimimaro's five dances, which he performs by modifying one of his upper arm bones to create a short, bone-hilted bone sword. He then stabs chaotically and continuously which causes the opponents eyes to lag behind. The speed resembles afterimages, the hand with the sword is again and again visibly projected. And yet the movement is irregular which makes it difficult to predict. With each thrust the sword's track is very capable of changing. The attack comes from unexpected angles, causing a person's delicate defense reaction to come off guard. Though one can have great reflexes and moving ability, it is next to impossible to keep dodging the fierce attack until it stops. Thus if one showed an opening, a finishing blow will be dealt by one stab in an instant. [ ]

III. Karamatsu no Mai (Dance of the Larch)
The third of Kimimaro's five dances. From the body, several bones pop out all at once. The stronger the opponent's physical attack, the more powerful the counter attack is, dealing severe damage. The sudden defense, combined with the needle-like bones high killing ability, makes way for a technique which potential his high for battle. The bones can be used to block or trap an opponent's strikes. In addition to being an unwelcome surprise for opponents, it makes him basically untouchable at close range. If an opponent would start to get close to him, he would start to spin rapidly slashing the foe in multiple areas of their body. [ ]

IV. Tessenka no Mai: Tsuru (Dance of the Clematis: Vine)
The first half of Kimimaro's fourth dance. With the Shikotsumyaku, Kimimaro can modify and pull out his own spinal column, and regrow a new spine to replace it. Between the bones in the gaps there is cartilage that allows flexibility, which makes it possible to bend it as if it were a whip. With average estimation skills along with the impossible range it stretches, dodging is difficult. The protrusions on the vertebrae are modified to make them stronger and sharper. He would follow up with Dance of the Clematis: Flower to pierce the immobilized opponent. [ ]

IV. Tessenka no Mai: Hana (Dance of the Clematis: Flower)
This technique is the second half of Kimimaro's fourth dance. To obtain the strongest-absolute hardest weapon a considerable amount of chakra is needed. Enhanced to the highest degree-maximum solidity due to the dense compression, the bone weapon is exceedingly large. Since its destructive power has no meaning if the blow does not connect with the opponent, Kimimaro first binds the opponent with a "vine". [ ]

V. Sawarabi no Mai (Dance of the Seedling Fern)
The last of Kimimaro's five dances. Countless bones rise from underground, which can be as many as thousands, up to the tens of thousands. The blades of bone indiscriminately slaughter whoever stands on the ground's surface. Furthermore, if this fails to bring down his foe, Kimimaro can become one with the bones, which in turn can allow him to attack an enemy unnoticed. [ ]
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IV.

Key
This is the key so that you may follow the wording within this thread:

Saisei no Jutsu = Regeneration (Romaji interpretation/Passive Self-Healing)

Shikotsumyaku = Dead Bone Pulse (Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai)​

Kimimaro Kaguya is rather underestimated when measuring his capabilities on this forum, the usual "Top Three Regenerators" consist of Hashirama, Tsunade, and Kabuto.

The placement, and final conclusion of Kimimaro's positioning will be evaluated by showing Kimimaro already possesses the capabilities that of Hashirama, Tsunade, and Kabuto, while highlighting the extra capabilities he possesses regarding his Saisei no Jutsu.​



The Case Of Healing Without Hand Seals

The first requirement to become noteworthy within the "Top Three Regenerators" is Self-Healing without Hand Seals, something only very few (less than four I believe) can accomplish. This alone puts any Shinobi capable of Self-Healing via no Hand Seals around the Top 5 Medical/Healing Shinobi.

Hashirama/Tsunade both possess the capability of Self-Healing without Hand Seals:

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Kabuto Yakushi as well possesses the capaibilities to regenerate without Hand Seals via focusing chakra into the predicted spot targeted by the enemies technique, which on contact begins healing immediately:

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Kimimaro Kaguya also possesses the capability to regenerate without Hand Seals passively (meaning no previous technique has to be activated, as well Kimimaro doesn't have to directly focus on regenerating; it comes naturally):

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Kimimaro seemingly possesses Requirement #1: Self-Healing Without Hand Seals, so I'll now move on to Requirement #2.

The Case Of Chakra Depletion/Hayflick Limit​
Chakra depletion is by far one of the greatest disadvantages of Self-Healing, to be classified as "Top Three" material for Self-Healing one must possess one of the two requirements:

  • Having Senju/Biju/Huge chakra levels.
  • Possessing a Saisei no Jutsu that requires little, to no chakra.

Kabuto Yakushi is dropped from the Top Three due to this hindrance alone; as Base Kabuto does not possess Senju/Biju chakra levels, along with the taxing of his own Self-Healing Technique; In'yu Shometsu:

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Tsunade's case is quite different as she possesses both requirements, the downfall of her technique however, is the Hayflick Limit; the number of times a cell can split into a number of divisions:

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This is a great disadvantage toward Tsunade herself as the ultimate conclusion is death. Not only that, but the limit (time wise), in which she can use this Self-Healing Technique isn't lengthy at all, noticing the side effects soon after activation:

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Kimimaro possesses both requirements; possessing Senju/Biju/Huge chakra levels (he took on thousands of KN Clones, Drunk Lee, and Gaara all while being sick, and on the verge of death; this distinctively shows his huge chakra levels) , as well having a Saisei no Jutsu in which requires little, to no chakra to Self-Heal himself.

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The way I've come to the conclusion that Kimimaro's Self-Healing isn't chakra taxing as Tsunade/Kabuto's Saisei no Jutsu are is due to the innate capability to continue passively regenerating while Orochimaru's Juinjutsu was active:

The seal forcefully absorbs a user's chakra while giving Orochimaru's own senjutsu chakra into the user's body in return, granting enhancements comparable to those of Sage Mode. The user must also possess an above-average chakra capacity in order to wield the cursed seal's power. The key differences between the sage mode and a cursed seal are that the latter's users have no control over natural energy, thus senjutsu chakra in itself. The forced transformation seemingly eats away at the user's chakra to sustain its state, as Anko noted, with possibly fatal consequences.

With Kimimaro fulfilling Requirements #1, and #2 I'll move on to the feats, which put Kimimaro above Self-Healing Users such as; Hashirama, Tsunade, and Base Kabuto.

The Case Of Kimimaro's Superiority Within Self-Healing​
This is what puts Kimimaro above Hashirama, Tsunade, and Base Kabuto when referring to Self-Healing; added with the facts that Kimimaro can passively Regenerate without Hand Seals, as well having huge chakra levels, and a less taxing Saisei no Jutsu. Kimimaro is the superior in Self-Healing due to:

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Kimimaro's Kekkei Genkai allows him to control not only the bones within his body, but allows him to control the reforming of destroyed cells. This is similar to that of Tsunade's technique, but without the taxing death toll:

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However, it's not only the fact that Kimimaro possesses the capabilities to control his cellular reproduction, but the speed in which he can create his bones/cells. Many Self-Healing Users claim their Saisei no Jutsu are "Instant" (when I say instant I mean that the injury is healed that very second it is caused) however, it is often never shown. Tsunade is the only Shinobi in which has shown near "Instant" healing via the use of Byakugo no Jutsu:

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The flaw within Byakugo no Jutsu is that it still has the disadvantage causing death to the user if used for a length period, similar to Tsunade's Sozo Saisei; The Hayflick Limit:

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Anyways, back to Kimimaro. Kimimaro is the only Self-Healer in which has shown the capability to regenerate instantaneously from an injury/causality:

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Kimimaro in the previously shown panel is seen removing his spine, this is a crucial sign in which shows he can regenerate instantaneously. To realize why this is, one must know what the spine's role is within the human body:

The spinal cord is made up of millions of nerve cells that send projections up and down the cord and out into other parts of the body. The information that allows us to sit, run, go to the toilet and breathe travels along these projections, called nerves.

When the spinal cord is injured, the initial trauma causes cell damage and destruction, and triggers a cascade of events that spread around the injury site affecting a number of different types of cells. Axons are crushed and torn, and oligonucleotide, the nerve cells that make up the insulating myelitis sheath around axons, begin to die. Exposed axons degenerate, the connection between neurons is disrupted and the flow of information between the brain and the spinal cord is blocked.

The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently. Patients may end up with severe movement and sensation disabilities. They will generally be paralyzed and without sensation from the level of the injury downwards.

Pay heavy attention to every underlined portion of the quote previously given; more so "The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently.". This backs up the statement of which Kimimaro iterated "he can control the reformation of his destroyed cells".

To furthermore prove Kimimaro's regeneration was instant in the case of replacing his spine, if his spine wasn't replaced once it came out of placement when he pulled it out, he would have become crippled, and would have fallen from his standing stature; the body is able to stand erect due to the spinal cord.

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This should have shutdown the "Kimimaro can't regenerate BS". It's right there in your face. If you still don't believe it well.. Deal with it. :cool:

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V.

Kimimaro vs Sakura. Obviously Kimimaro is the winner within this battle, reasons why? I'll list a few now:

I. Unorthodox CQC - Kimimaro has the advantage of being Unpredictable in Close Quarter Combat. (Review back the the Taijutsu Analysis)
II. Speed. Databook-wise, and Manga-wise. (Kimimaro simply out speeds Sakura)
III: Durability through the roof. (Not that it matters as Sakura won't be landing a blow)
IV. Superior Automatic Regeneration. (On Damage, Kimimaro begins to Regenerate)

Overall, Kimimaro outclasses Current Sakura. This is a VS thread, and I look forward to everyone's opinions on the matter.

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I don't want to read, but is this current Sakura? I want to know just to respond to comments. Haha
 

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Your time on NB is over, bro. JK, but he probably can beat her.
 

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Punch to the ground, gg.​
 

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Kimmimaro severly underestimated on this board. SAd thing is he was the first victim of Plot disease and he also never lost!

Sakura would be destroyed by bone forrest.. He can move through the bones and attack any time....
 

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Sakura wrecks Kimimaro. Keep on hating though.
 

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This should be obvious but I see it ain't
 

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Yeah bro its Current Sakura.


Probably. The Sakura Fans will eat me alive with their stubbornness.

It would be a tough call indeed. He did survive against KCM Naruto somehow... :|
 

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Kimmimaro severly underestimated on this board. SAd thing is he was the first victim of Plot disease and he also never lost!

Sakura would be destroyed by bone forrest.. He can move through the bones and attack any time....
Preach my brother.
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The stronger the opponent's physical attack, the more powerful the counter attack is, dealing severe damage.
 

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Kimimaro trashed a kcm Naruto clone, no doubt until I see the fight Kimi > bm naruto.
 

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Dexterity,agility and speed are crucial for tainehnjustu which kimmi possess.
Sakura has no formal training in either one of the above mentioned nor is she innately born with the above skills.

She is a medic foremost and a distraction at best for a follow up attack.



The only reason she was somewhat useful against the juubi clones is because they were big open targets that the juubi had run in waves to purposely be a human shield for itself.

that is why naruto with all his powers and reflexes and speed was unable to fight kaguya since she had protected herself from psychical attacks.

And sakura who has know speed feats,agility feats,dexterity feats and no strength unless she converts chakra has a chance at beating kimmi ? lol The guy who perfected the best form of taijustu "taihenjustu" complemented by the best KKG for psychical confrontation other than the bykugan was going to be beat by a girl who can on occasions punch hard ?okay.
 

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You probably didn't need make long thorough thread to say he beats her.
 

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Sakura wins. He is strong but there is no way he can beat sakura. I don't feel like an explanation is even necessary.
 

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Nice thread,Kimmimaro has always been underrated on NB.His taijutsu skills is pretty much one of the best and I could see him beating Sakura as a result.
 

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It would be a tough call indeed. He did survive against KCM Naruto somehow... :|

Kimimaro trashed a kcm Naruto clone, no doubt until I see the fight Kimi > bm naruto.

Does Edo Kimi count as Healthy Kimi? I think so. Just shows how bad ass of a Ninja he was in his Healthy State. Dude was only 15 as well. So much potential.
 

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tough call, though i'm leaning towards Kimimaro
 
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