(DrProof) Advanced Kakuzu Exploiters; Exploits #1-3
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You dare disrespect Kakuzu. :devil:
Thanks man. And Kakuzu is above Itachi.
Agreed 100%
Thanks bro. *_*
Shikamaru101
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Nice thread. Some of the points in here are backed up pretty well and very informative about the character that is Kakuzu.
I do like the fact that because Kakuzu hasn't specifically shown e.g. Underground jutsu, it wouldn't be farfetched for him to actually have it due to his Earth Mask which applies to several other characters.
However, i do find it a bit stupid that you say Kakuzu lost by 'plot'. Plot is canon and he died by a Rasen-shuriken by Naruto. No denying that. He fell for Naruto's strategy with hsi 91 years of experience, whether you like it or not.Yes he didn't show all of his moves, but coulda shoulda woulda.
Good thread though.
I do like the fact that because Kakuzu hasn't specifically shown e.g. Underground jutsu, it wouldn't be farfetched for him to actually have it due to his Earth Mask which applies to several other characters.
However, i do find it a bit stupid that you say Kakuzu lost by 'plot'. Plot is canon and he died by a Rasen-shuriken by Naruto. No denying that. He fell for Naruto's strategy with hsi 91 years of experience, whether you like it or not.Yes he didn't show all of his moves, but coulda shoulda woulda.
Good thread though.
Uzumaki Menma
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That's not true at all. If Madara is fighting the Five Kage and he's using Wood Bunshin against them when Minato sneaks behind him using Shadow Clones in order to kill him, do you say, Minato beat Madara with a bunch of Shadow Clones and because it's plot, Minato > Madara?
No, it doesn't make sense because we know what Madara is capable of and he wouldn't fall for some crap like that. Saying Kakuzu fell for Naruto's plan is the same thing. I mean, it was stupid and I won't go into all the reasons why right now, but Kakuzu lost by plot meaning that there was no other way to take him down so Kishi did some ass-pull in order to beat him.
Plain and simple.
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Shikamaru101
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But Naruto vs Kakuzu was nothing like the example you stated. Yes Kakuzu had lost some of his hearts, but he still had, i believe, three left. I don't understand how you can say Kakuzu lost by plot when the whole of Naruto is plot. That is like sayih anyone who has ever lost a battle was due to plot. Like, Third Hokage didn't lose to Orochimaru, that was just plot. Konan didn't lose to Obito that was plot. Five Kage didn't lose to Madara because That was plot.
Kakuzu did fall for Naruto's plan with his experience otherwise he would have figured it. Canon better than your opinions.
UltimateDeadpool
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Naruto was using Kyuubi chakra, which has been shown to make him strong enough to stop giant summons, fast enough to hit Haku, makes him heal faster, and increases his chakra. So no, he wasn't in base form.
Naruto also didn't "solo" Kakuzu. Kakuzu first of all, as you said, was already weakened due to his battle. Kakashi ambushed him and destroyed one of his hearts, reducing his power by 1/5th. Then Hidan destroyed another heart, reducing him against to 2/5ths. Then Naruto and Yamato had to save Kakashi, Ino, and Chouji. Then they told Naruto a summary of Kakuzu's abilities and needed Kakashi's and Yamato's help.
Now imagine Naruto fighting a 100% Kakuzu? I would say he'd need Sage Mode to win.
Kakuzu:
Very intelligent
Very strong
Very fast
Very skilled and experienced
Five+ lives
Self-reconstruction
Nearly indestructible body
Doesn't breathe
Nearly immune to poison
Immune to genjutsu
Deadly tendrils
Masked Ghosts
Five elements
AoE attacks
Shared vision
With each heart Kakuzu lost, he lost a lot of power.
When he lost his water heart first, he lost a couple useful elemental combinations such as spraying the area with water and electrifying it, or shooting water and fire at the same time to cover the area in a boiling hot mist, etc. Not to mention that he also lost one of his Masked Ghosts, bringing him down to three that he could use in battle... and they had a hard time dealing with just those three.
Then when he lost his earth heart, he lost his ability to turn his body to adamant or travel underground, as well as losing another Masked Ghost. With Domu, his body becomes as hard as diamond and not only increases his defense, possibly being able to resist Rasenshuriken like how 3rd Raikage's steel-like skin could, but it also increased his offense; a punch from him could bust down a sealed iron gate. He couldn't use that against Naruto.
When people say that Kakuzu lost by plot, they mean he didn't lose in a believable way. He went from picking at Shikamaru's brain to falling for the oldest trick in the book, twice. Not only that, but he conveniently forgot that Shadow Clones use jutsus too and he didn't hear the Rasenshuriken's screeching sound coming from behind him.
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Thundercles
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You stipulate that Kakuzu doesn't have a brain because Sasori didn't? Also, this "core of living flesh", I wonder if that is in fact a brain. It doesn't actually specify what it is, organ wise. Plus, it is enough to kill him if damaged. I can think of it being nothing more than a brain.
This thread has made me appreciate Kakuzu more than I already have.
The Akatsuki were the best part of this manga. They have some of the most interesting abilities. They are the reason why people even understand what kage level means.
The manga was so much better during the time before the whole Elder Son vs Younger Son/Child of Destiny crap got introduced. I personally think that it would have been better to keep the power levels from going much higher than what the Akatsuki were capable of.
The Akatsuki were the best part of this manga. They have some of the most interesting abilities. They are the reason why people even understand what kage level means.
The manga was so much better during the time before the whole Elder Son vs Younger Son/Child of Destiny crap got introduced. I personally think that it would have been better to keep the power levels from going much higher than what the Akatsuki were capable of.
Chakra is manipulated through Tenketsu (or nodes in which chakra can be released). The heart is one of the main chakra producers in which execute chakra throughout every tenketsu throughout a shinobi's body:
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Chakra alone controls everything a ninja is, and does. It may be very well true that Sasori's core would be his brain, but then again it could as well be his heart. The absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence. Also it's a core of flesh, wouldn't the heart be more flesh related than the brain?
Either way, it's Naruto. The most unexpected reasonings are plausible.
I wholeheartedly agree. Kishimoto has given us a broken power scale. At least when the Akatsuki were around we had a stabilized ideal of what was the limit. Also Kakuzu's arc was rushed, so we couldn't see his full potential.
Thanks for appreciating Kakuzu more bro, that's what AKE is here for.
UltimateDeadpool
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Yeah, it was great until Pein showed up, then things changed. Thankfully only a few characters have been affected by it.
If Kakuzu needed a brain to function then you wouldn't have to destroy all of his hearts to kill him, just destroy his brain. That, however, isn't an option.
Also, all of your organs eventually grow old and die, but Kakuzu only needs to replace his heart before it stops beating; he doesn't need to replace any other organ because he doesn't have any other organs.
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UltimateDeadpool
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I have to disagree. Nagato is basically invincible except to taijutsu and sealing jutsus, and his abilities make both of those difficult to utilize:
Shinra Tensei is particularly haxxed and has somewhat poorly defined feats, along with the ultra hax Chou Shinra Tensei and Chibaku Tensei which are both able to obliterate entire villages.
Then there's his cyborg abilities increasing his strength and offense, blades, and lasers and missiles that can destroy buildings. Not to mention additional faces and a greater range of vision and additional limbs.
The ability to kill you with just a touch.
The ability to absorb virtually any jutsu or chakra source, with no defined limits to such ability.
Not to mention a summon army.
Summons including Gedo Mazo, the towering shell of Juubi that can smash through villages and eat souls.
Gedo Mazo spikes that can control other living things, which are especially effective on the dead which allows Nagato to be six people simultaneously, giving him the numbers advantage and superb teamwork.
And although he can only resurrect the living one time, it can reconstruct the dead repeatedly which makes Pein hard to stop.
Naruto needed Sage Mode to fight him, and the power-levels have only increased since then.
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