[Discussion] Dragonball Z is the perfect story

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

But anyways No DBZ is not the perfect story. Its the simplest story Its just easy to enjoy its basically a popcorn anime. Its just cool. You don't care about the characters or really get to know them. If you asked a random fan on what they know about Yamcha they'd say "useless" In DBZ its just one bad guy who's significantly stronger than the previous one after the Main character for "insert legitimate reason why they have to fight here" So its just basic and fun and thats whats great about it.

But if you want a plothole, the entire Namek escape, Goku was in the middle of ****ing nowhere and the planet exploded while he screamed in the sky. There is no possible way he could have stumbled upon a ship, randomly run and find the main control room, and push the right buttons to fly anywhere, cuz its ****ing Goku -.-

Trunks should have been born with a tail

Goku after he was brought back should not be able to go Super Saiyan 3, It was stated he could only achieve it when he didn't have hs body, because the amount of power is so intense that it even drained the rest of his time to stay on earth while he was dead when he was only in it for a few minutes.

Goten and Kid trunks achieving Super Saiyan.

I know its nitpicky But these all fall under the category of Plothole.

Goku's Namek escape. It was revealed that Goku remembered that the Ginyu's arrved on the planet in spacepods, so he escaped using on of theirs. It appeared as if Goku was killed for the readers and viewers sake.

Goten and Trunks achieving Super Saiyan, explain how that is plothole?

Goku said Going Super Saiyan 3 required ALOT of energy, whereas in his dead form, the set-back wasn't as dire sine he wasn't a "living body." Although, it did cut his visitation time on earth in half. He didn't say he couldn't do SS3, just that it would be strainuous.

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

Goku's Namek escape. It was revealed that Goku remembered that the Ginyu's arrved on the planet in spacepods, so he escaped using on of theirs. It appeared as if Goku was killed for the readers and viewers sake.

Goten and Trunks achieving Super Saiyan, explain how that is plothole?

Goku said Going Super Saiyan 3 required ALOT of energy, whereas in his dead form, the set-back wasn't as dire sine he wasn't a "living body." Although, it did cut his visitation time on earth in half. He didn't say he couldn't do SS3, just that it would be strainuous.

No Goku was meant to die, he was drawn on paper dying in the light of the explosion, the namek escape goes against previously stated facts. Making it a plothole/ Asspull And he didn't remember they had one, He saw it falling while in the cavern of freezes ship that wouldn't take off. This man had seconds and achieved what can only be done in minutes even Hours if you account Gokus IQ and Battle fatigue. The Namek escape was just new material that went against previous Material. Thats why its a plot hole.

Goten and Kid trunks going Super Saiyan is more of an Asspull than a plothole. And for the people saying its about Goku and Vegeta becoming Super saiyans b4 their kids were born... Trunks was still conceived B4 Vegeta achieved Super saiyan.

Goten Becoming super saiyan because he flinched from his mom sparring with him.... is just an asspull in its finest.

Kid Trunks becoming Super saiyan offscreen and then demonstrating he can without a valid reason as to How he even achieved it at the age of 8. Asspull

And No it was stated that he couldn't do it with his real body because it took ALOT of energy yes, he didn't say it was straining, he said he simply can't do it. Goten and trunks could do it because they are fused and thus can handle the strain since they are 2 people instead of 1. But goku after being revived should not be able to go Super Saiyan 3 willingly anytime he wants. But he did. Plot hole lol

Like i said Nitpicky but these are plotholes lol

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

No Goku was meant to die, he was drawn on paper dying in the light of the explosion, the namek escape goes against previously stated facts. Making it a plothole/ Asspull And he didn't remember they had one, He saw it falling while in the cavern of freezes ship that wouldn't take off. This man had seconds and achieved what can only be done in minutes even Hours if you account Gokus IQ and Battle fatigue. The Namek escape was just new material that went against previous Material. Thats why its a plot hole.

Goten and Kid trunks going Super Saiyan is more of an Asspull than a plothole. And for the people saying its about Goku and Vegeta becoming Super saiyans b4 their kids were born... Trunks was still conceived B4 Vegeta achieved Super saiyan.

Goten Becoming super saiyan because he flinched from his mom sparring with him.... is just an asspull in its finest.

Kid Trunks becoming Super saiyan offscreen and then demonstrating he can without a valid reason as to How he even achieved it at the age of 8. Asspull

And No it was stated that he couldn't do it with his real body because it took ALOT of energy yes, he didn't say it was straining, he said he simply can't do it. Goten and trunks could do it because they are fused and thus can handle the strain since they are 2 people instead of 1. But goku after being revived should not be able to go Super Saiyan 3 willingly anytime he wants. But he did. Plot hole lol

Like i said Nitpicky but these are plotholes lol

Asspulls yes. plotholes no. Every single event was explained. Maybe not to your satisfactory, but it was explained nontheless

 

[Anarkist]

Agree with LogicnoJutsu.
Also I second his point that it isn't the perfect story, it's simple and was good for us as kids.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

plot hole 1:
there was only supposed to be one super saiyan. now theres several

plot hole 2:
how could kaio not know freeza destroyed planet vegeta?

plot hole 3:
original explanation of dragonballs when roshi was supposed to have known karin who could have told him the truth

plot hole 4:
why didnt gohan just go ssj2 on fat boo

plot hole 5:
why didnt they wish away the androids like they were going to 3 years beforehand once it looked like they were unbeatable? theres no reason not to keep them all in one place just in case.

plot hole 6:
gero is not the leader of RRA and he wasnt even mentioned in original dragon ball.

plot hole 7:
if gohan was taking too long, why dont the re energized goku and vegeta just rush on down there and kill semi perfect cell themselves?

plot hole 8:
17 cant give his ki to genkidama because he has none

plot hole 9:
super buu should have turned into grey evil buu not kid buu

plot hole 10:
a minor one but cell said the nucleas in his head enables regeneration so why is it that he regenerated from having his entire upper body destroyed?

plot hole 11
why didnt kaioshin intervene sooner with freeza and vegeta? shouldnt he not want entire planets wiped out?

plot hole 12
Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu got brought back to earth automatically when Porunga revived them even though it took an extra wish to transport Piccolo away from King Kai's planet after he was revived

plot hole 13
raditz was surprised goku and piccolo could hide their power levels and flunctuate it at will when freeza and vegeta can do the same thing

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

The fact that Goten was able to become Super Saiyan, explain that please.

well his bloodline probably negated the difficulty

Why don't goten and trunks have tails?

toriyama explained that. its a regressive trait

Why didn't kami show the z-fighters the hyperbolic time chamber during the saiyan saga

they couldnt hanlde it yet

Goku tells Gohan that the Super Saiyan transformation comes in response to a need,

no he didnt. not once did he ever say this lol

The main reason Vegeta obtained supersaiyan wasn't anger but rather frustration

thats pretty much the same emotion...

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Ohh yeah, please do tell me "saiyans are incapable of breathing in vacuum" alright let us see.

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Here goku climbed up a thin stick to assist sending some rabbits onto the moon and they were shoŵn breathing, which basically contradicts the official dbz statement (as both are canon, dbz is it's sequal after all) which was "saiyans cannnot/ or inability to breathe in space" plus, cell was creted using piccolos and the other Z fighters cellular structures, yet he had his head ripped off and deducted to nothing but ash, even so however, he had the ability to regenerate. Adding, the plot holes listed above me.

And here, the same said rabbits are now breathing and chilling with their vice city's protagonist look a like aviators.

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[Fuzzy Panda]

well his bloodline probably negated the difficulty

toriyama explained that. its a regressive trait

they couldnt hanlde it yet

no he didnt. not once did he ever say this lol

thats pretty much the same emotion...

I think you need to review your DBZ and get your facts straight. He did say it. Episode "Bow to the Prince".

 

[Uchiha Samater]

loved DBZ and still do, but saying it is perfect is a big call.

There are a few but for example

This is the first plot hole to appear in the series but it’s kind of a big one for me. Raditz shows up and informs Goku that they're brothers and Saiyan warriors, of which there are four left in the universe. Why? Well, their planet blew up, that’s why.

Raditz says it was a meteor that hit the planet (something that other characters “confirm” with a little flashback scene of it happening), though we learn in the very next plot arc that Frieza blew up the planet.

So where’s the plot hole (other than the inconsistencies of the explosion)?

Raditz says the planet blew up four years ago. I checked this a few times between the English and the Japanese subtitles and yes, he says four years (according to our English editions).

Problem here is that Planet Vegeta, the Saiyan’s homeworld, was destroyed right as Goku was leaving it. Goku is at this point in the series roughly 23, so, do the math.

Not huge since it’s just a small error, but still, kind of huge when you consider the fact that it hasn't been fixed even after the “definitive remastered and re dubbed super versions” I bought.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

I think you need to review your DBZ and get your facts straight. He did say it. Episode "Bow to the Prince".

non canon. show me a manga page

Here goku climbed up a thin stick to assist sending some rabbits onto the moon and they were shoŵn breathing, which basically contradicts the official dbz statement (as both are canon, dbz is it's sequal after all) which was "saiyans cannnot/ or inability to breathe in space" plus, cell was creted using piccolos and the other Z fighters cellular structures, yet he had his head ripped off and deducted to nothing but ash, even so however, he had the ability to regenerate. Adding, the plot holes listed above me.

And here, the same said rabbits are now breathing and chilling with their vice city's protagonist look a like aviators.

you have to remember dragonball was initially a gag manga so goku was using toon force

 

[P3ĮÑ]

you have to remember dragonball was initially a gag manga so goku was using toon force

Yeah, and then the idea of an alien not being capable of breathing in space is thrown in by Akira later on, Even by comedic relief standards, that's quite a contradiction. As both are canonically equal in terms of story and events.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

plot hole 1:
there was only supposed to be one super saiyan. now theres several

plot hole 2:
how could kaio not know freeza destroyed planet vegeta?

plot hole 3:
original explanation of dragonballs when roshi was supposed to have known karin who could have told him the truth

plot hole 4:
why didnt gohan just go ssj2 on fat boo

plot hole 5:
why didnt they wish away the androids like they were going to 3 years beforehand once it looked like they were unbeatable? theres no reason not to keep them all in one place just in case.

plot hole 6:
gero is not the leader of RRA and he wasnt even mentioned in original dragon ball.

plot hole 7:
if gohan was taking too long, why dont the re energized goku and vegeta just rush on down there and kill semi perfect cell themselves?

plot hole 8:
17 cant give his ki to genkidama because he has none

plot hole 9:
super buu should have turned into grey evil buu not kid buu

plot hole 10:
a minor one but cell said the nucleas in his head enables regeneration so why is it that he regenerated from having his entire upper body destroyed?

plot hole 11
why didnt kaioshin intervene sooner with freeza and vegeta? shouldnt he not want entire planets wiped out?

plot hole 12
Yamcha, Tien and Chiaotzu got brought back to earth automatically when Porunga revived them even though it took an extra wish to transport Piccolo away from King Kai's planet after he was revived

plot hole 13
raditz was surprised goku and piccolo could hide their power levels and flunctuate it at will when freeza and vegeta can do the same thing

1. Who said that there could ONLY be ONE supersaiyan?
2. King Kai has to willingly try to sense what is happening in space, he cant just know automatically.
3. ? What are you talking about?
4. Gohan's power decreased significantly as was stated, either he could no longer enter that form, or he did, but it wasn't that powerful.
5. Beyond the creators power.
6. Nobody said DR. Gero was RRA leader, he was just a scientist who created androids for them.
7. Semi perfect? If you are referring to the cell games, that because Goku wanted Gohan to unleash his hidden power. Vegeta would have been defeated easily.
8. He has an unlimited supply of energy, even though his name is android 17, he is still mostly human, with cybernetic implants, he is more like a cyborg.
9. Evil Buu was simply originally fat buu's darkside. He basically split apart, when they refused, his evil side took over, which became Superbuu, then kid buu.
10. Cell's nucleus has to be COMPLETELY obliterated, a Kamehameha to the head point blank wasnt enough, it took full power from Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, and himself to actually dissolve his cells.
11. He didnt intervene because it wasnt his job to, he was tracking Babidi. To him, Babidi was a bigger threat. He probably didnt even notice the tiny spec which was freeza in the vast galaxy seeing how there were others out there more powerful.
12. Yamcha, Tien, and Choutzu all died on earth, so there was no need to make an extra wish.
13. At the time, it was supposedly a really advanced technique. He was shocked because they could do it too..

ALL explained.

 

[Umari Senju]

Goten has pent up rage, he snapped when fighting his mom, and thus, turned supersaiyan
you don't HAVE to be in life threatening danger.

Didn't Goku tell Gohan that the power of supersayain comes from a need not a desire for more power? I don't think your life needs to be in danger in order to awaken Super sayain.

Goku hit Gohan with his Kamekameha while in super sayain form to get Gohan to awaken his super sayain ablitlties. So the life/death scenario is legit here.

But Vegeta's life was not threatened when he went super sayain. His came from a need to achieve what Goku did before him. As the Prince of all sayains it was a must for him.

 

[flyboyissac]

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A real Dbz fan understands

1) gotenks blew a hole between dimensions

2. gotenks flying around the planet 8 times for no reason and yet slow in close distance combat

3. cell having kai-o-ken and not using it

4. cell running out of energy

5. the talking of character blowing up planets and couldnt or didnt do it

6. dbz is a fail period. this anime is not worth arguing over fans just keep starting it

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

9. Evil Buu was simply originally fat buu's darkside. He basically split apart, when they refused, his evil side took over, which became Superbuu, then kid buu.

thats what i said. he should have turned back into evil buu since he is still inside super buu

8. He has an unlimited supply of energy, even though his name is android 17, he is still mostly human, with cybernetic implants, he is more like a cyborg.

human or not he has no ki as stated by gohan

Didn't Goku tell Gohan that the power of supersayain comes from a need

no