Dragonball super 114, cheating?

[Meowazziel]

After watching Dragonball super 114 I wonder if Kale and Kaulifla have cheated.

I have defended a lot in dragonball super as I saw it as defendable.
For example Goku using Blue vs Krillin.
That wasnt wrong in my view as Goku can tune his power better in blue, so he can tune it down better as well to not harm Krillin. He can controll his power better in blue than in the yellow forms. Remember when Goku and Gohan tryed to live daily lives as ssj in the cell saga and they broke stuff like coffee cups, by lack of control over their power?
So Blue vs Krillin was defendable in that context

The Tournament rules forbid the use of weapons and item enhancements.

For example previous u6 vs u7 tournament Frost his poison needles.
He cant create poison and he cant create needles.
You dont use your technique for the poison needles.

Thus both are an outside source weapon, that doesnt require a technique
and therefore not allowed in the tournament of power. Using them is cheating.

You dont use any technique for sensu beans either.
They work all by themselfs, without using a technique, when you eat them.
They are an outside source and not allowed in the tournament.
Using them is cheating.

Roshi his bottle.
Roshi using a bottle was not considered cheating. The bottle by itself cant do anything.
It has to be combined with his technique. It can be seen as accessories.
Tbh it was very close to cheating at least.

Using the Potara earrings is cheating?
You do not have to combine it with your technique.
You just put it on your ear and the fusion happens.
The item works all by itself, when it has been put on your ear,
just as sensu beans works all by itself, once you have eaten the bean.
Sensu beans are considered cheating.

Therefore isnt potara fusion cheating according to the tournament rules?

The Policeman.
He is using a suit that increases his speed?

Isnt that cheating too?

Yeah these things seems very hard to defend or undefendable.

 

[Oblivionx]

I didn't like it either. I mean now vegeta and goku can fuse and win the tournament easy. Heck even gohan and goku/vegeta would do if one is knocked out. I don't wanna see fusion in this tournament. That is just absurd way to power up.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I think if these items involve their ki or physical strength to use then it would be permitted.

 

[Shruikan]

Toppo and Jiren could fuse and just one shot the entire ring lmao

 

[HENI]

Fusing isn't cheating.

 

[uhmusddy]

Funny that they didn’t use the “Zeno thinks it’s cool so forget the rules” this time

 

[glenwo2]

First off, when Goku recognized those earrings, I thought there would've been a Goku Black flashback or some mention. Plus, I wanted to see Beerus's reaction but they didn't show it(I'm guessing in the next episode, they will...hopefull).

Second, I have to say that I am annoyed that somehow Caulifla and Kale know about fusion when they didn't even know about Super Saiyan form until Cabba showed them. I mean...C'MON NOW! There's "suspension of belief" and there's "insulting the viewer's intelligence" and this was the latter.

Finally, You mean to tell me that Super Saiyan GOD can be bested by two saiyans using FUSION????? ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME WITH THAT GARBAGE?!?

 

[glenwo2]

One more thing, there was no thread for Episode 113 so I'm going to give out my pet peeve over that episode and it's just this :


I thought it was idiotic that it was WHIS who discussed what Martial Arts is when you've got Master Roshi and Tien sitting in the stands just listening and not saying anything else.

I was half-expecting one of those two to say "Hmm....that is true. Martial Arts is...blahblahblah" or something to that effect but instead it was as if WHIS was the one who was teaching freakin' newbies or something. Sorry but I can't take anyone who has such an AWFUL DUBBED VOICE as a foremost authority on Martial Arts. Besides, to me, WHIS is more of an ALIEN(like Frieza) than Martial Artist). What a load of crap that was.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Nah the bigger problem is not that but how riberianne still in tournament?

 

[glenwo2]

Nah the bigger problem is not that but how riberianne still in tournament?

Is she still? You're right.

I think she gets eliminated by Vegeta in the end, imo.

 

[Styles]

I think grand priest said only things like guns senzu beans and stuff is forbidden. Patora don't refill stamina and injuries nor do they do harm like a lazer gun. Patora is just a fusion albet a OP fusion but still a fusion.

 

[Meowazziel]

Toppo and Jiren could fuse and just one shot the entire ring lmao

Well yeah, they probably would .

Also,
why havent other teams taken a pair of Potara with them and started fusing?
That is one of the problems I have with this potara happening.

Why didnt the other teams go hard on Potara?
Why limit it to one couple of your fighters?
Just go with 6 of your fighters turning into 3 fusions lol.

The reason will probably be something like ''they didnt think of it'' or ''pride'' or whatever.
But still, it seems odd that only one team has used Potara so far
or that noone has used a different fusion method.
You do need strong enough fighters for it though, otherwise you could lose both your fighters to someone
who is stronger than your fusion.

Funny that they didn’t use the “Zeno thinks it’s cool so forget the rules” this time

If Potara is allowed according to the rules, than the bottle that Roshi used is allowed according to the rules too.
Regardless of Zeno allowing it.

I am still unsure if the sealing bottle roshi used was allowed according to the rules + Zeno allowed it also because ''he thinks its neat'' or that it wasnt allowed according to the rules but that Zeno allowed it beause ''he thinks its neat''

Finally, You mean to tell me that Super Saiyan GOD can be bested by two saiyans using FUSION????? ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME WITH THAT GARBAGE?!?

Yeah indeed.

I have no problem with TRANSFORMED Kefla being top tier strong.
She has Kale her Legendary super saiyan form after all + Potara.

However I wonder if what baseform Kale showed, was too much.
Unless Goku wasnt all that serious in that short scene vs her base form.

Because if she is stronger in base, than Goku in SSJGod, than she would go in a crazy tier if she goes LSSJ.
Wouldnt the amplifier become unreal?
So maybe Goku didnt give his all yet and let his guard down for the 9999th time in those few seconds as SSJGod
vs base Kefla last week.

Nah the bigger problem is not that but how riberianne still in tournament?

Is she still? You're right.

I think she gets eliminated by Vegeta in the end, imo.

Yeah that Ribirianne should be thrown out of the ring already. What is she still doing in there? She fought 1v1 vs Vegeta, #17 and Goku and she is still not out of the ring.
Dafuq

I think grand priest said only things like guns senzu beans and stuff is forbidden. Patora don't refill stamina and injuries nor do they do harm like a lazer gun. Patora is just a fusion albet a OP fusion but still a fusion.

Sensubean=Forbidden.
As it is an item enhancement. It works on its own without a technique.
It heals and replenishes stamina.

However what did we see with the Potara?

Potara seemed to energize Kefla and she looked unharmed, even though Caulifla was harmed by Goku's attack
and Caulifla could hardly stand up before they fused.
Yet after they fused Kefla looked totally fine.

Sure its not the same as a sensu bean as it required two people mixing into a new person,
rather than 1 person being replenished by 1 item. Which is probably why the potara way is allowed and Sensu bean isnt, but still i wanted to mention the Caulifla harmed into Kefla unharmed part .

I didn't like it either. I mean now vegeta and goku can fuse and win the tournament easy. Heck even gohan and goku/vegeta would do if one is knocked out. I don't wanna see fusion in this tournament. That is just absurd way to power up.

The remaining fighters of universe 7 are Goku, Vegeta, #17 and #18, Piccolo and Gohan.

One of those is probably not carrying Potara.
Besides even if one of them is, Vegeta likely does not want to fuse and are the writers really gonna show something like Goku+Gohan fusion?

If not than the only fusion remaining is fusion dance.
Tbh it would provide a chance for Gogeta becoming canon, if Vegeta wants to do the fusion dance.

But yeah fusion might be out of place in this tournament.

Isnt it odd that no other universe has tryed fusion?

I think if these items involve their ki or physical strength to use then it would be permitted.

This is probably true.

After thinking it over some more and reading posts in this thread I can see how it may be permitted,
if you make the item enhancement category, very specific.
That the item needs to use your ki/phsyical strength to use as you say.

However I still think it would have been better to include it as forbidden item enhancements.
As otherwise you can use any sort of item, as long as it uses your ki/phsysical strength.

 

[Styles]

Well yeah, they probably would .

Also,
why havent other teams taken a pair of Potara with them and started fusing?
That is one of the problems I have with this potara happening.

Why didnt the other teams go hard on Potara?
Why limit it to one couple of your fighters?
Just go with 6 of your fighters turning into 3 fusions lol.

The reason will probably be something like ''they didnt think of it'' or ''pride'' or whatever.
But still, it seems odd that only one team has used Potara so far
or that noone has used a different fusion method.
You do need strong enough fighters for it though, otherwise you could lose both your fighters to someone
who is stronger than your fusion.

If Potara is allowed according to the rules, than the bottle that Roshi used is allowed according to the rules too.
Regardless of Zeno allowing it.

I am still unsure if the sealing bottle roshi used was allowed according to the rules + Zeno allowed it also because ''he thinks its neat'' or that it wasnt allowed according to the rules but that Zeno allowed it beause ''he thinks its neat''

Yeah indeed.

I have no problem with TRANSFORMED Kefla being top tier strong.
She has Kale her Legendary super saiyan form after all + Potara.

However I wonder if what baseform Kale showed, was too much.
Unless Goku wasnt all that serious in that short scene vs her base form.

Because if she is stronger in base, than Goku in SSJGod, than she would go in a crazy tier if she goes LSSJ.
Wouldnt the amplifier become unreal?
So maybe Goku didnt give his all yet and let his guard down for the 9999th time in those few seconds as SSJGod
vs base Kefla last week.



Yeah that Ribirianne should be thrown out of the ring already. What is she still doing in there? She fought 1v1 vs Vegeta, #17 and Goku and she is still not out of the ring.
Dafuq


Sensubean=Forbidden.
As it is an item enhancement. It works on its own without a technique.
It heals and replenishes stamina.

However what did we see with the Potara?

Potara seemed to energize Kefla and she looked unharmed, even though Caulifla was harmed by Goku's attack
and Caulifla could hardly stand up before they fused.
Yet after they fused Kefla looked totally fine.

Sure its not the same as a sensu bean as it required two people mixing into a new person,
rather than 1 person being replenished by 1 item. Which is probably why the potara way is allowed and Sensu bean isnt, but still i wanted to mention the Caulifla harmed into Kefla unharmed part .

The remaining fighters of universe 7 are Goku, Vegeta, #17 and #18, Piccolo and Gohan.

One of those is probably not carrying Potara.
Besides even if one of them is, Vegeta likely does not want to fuse and are the writers really gonna show something like Goku+Gohan fusion?

If not than the only fusion remaining is fusion dance.
Tbh it would provide a chance for Gogeta becoming canon, if Vegeta wants to do the fusion dance.

But yeah fusion might be out of place in this tournament.

Isnt it odd that no other universe has tryed fusion?

This is probably true.

After thinking it over some more and reading posts in this thread I can see how it may be permitted,
if you make the item enhancement category, very specific.
That the item needs to use your ki/phsyical strength to use as you say.

However I still think it would have been better to include it as forbidden item enhancements.
As otherwise you can use any sort of item, as long as it uses your ki/phsysical strength.

That's the odd thing using patora they're suppose to have some fatigue or harm done if they fused while in that state which is why Goku had to eat a senzu before they fused. But somehow They're fine.

 

[Meowazziel]

That's the odd thing using patora they're suppose to have some fatigue or harm done if they fused while in that state which is why Goku had to eat a senzu before they fused. But somehow They're fine.

True.

Maybe the damage was less than it seemed or they can deal with it enough, because the other person was fine, but that it would be more optimal if both were unharmed.

 

[Styles]

True.

Maybe the damage was less than it seemed or they can deal with it enough, because the other person was fine, but that it would be more optimal if both were unharmed.

Yea but Caulifa wasn't badly injured nor was kale so it make sense.

 

[Meowazziel]

Yea but Caulifa wasn't badly injured nor was kale so it make sense.

What do you consider ''not badly injured''?

Caulifla as a ssj2, took an energy ball to the face from a SSJGod Goku (an exhausted Goku, but still a SSJGod Goku).
Kale caught her and afterwards Caulifla had trouble getting up.

Sure its not badly injured on the lvl of pierced by an attack through a vital or something,
but still a SSJGod energy ball must pack a punch on a ssj2.

Yeah Kale was still totally fine.

 

[Styles]

What do you consider ''not badly injured''?

Caulifla as a ssj2, took an energy ball to the face from a SSJGod Goku (an exhausted Goku, but still a SSJGod Goku).
Kale caught her and afterwards Caulifla had trouble getting up.

Sure its not badly injured on the lvl of pierced by an attack through a vital or something,
but still a SSJGod energy ball must pack a punch on a ssj2.

Yeah Kale was still totally fine.

But that's the same situation Vegeta/Goku was in in the anime from fighting black iirc. But since it's a whole new being i don't think they'll get much of any fatigue tho.