[Discussion] Dragon Vs Kaido

[Punk Hazard]

Then why would he have to sneak up on WB during MF? Shanks stopped Kaido as well, yeah ik that doesn't mean much but it's still something to consider.

Kaido was going to intercept Whitebeard, never was it said he was sneaking up on him during Marineford. I'll address the Shanks thing below with Zoro's quote.

Shanks stopping Kaido from going after WB. According to portrayal Shanks > Kaido. Given Dragons hype, which is on par with that of likes of Shanks,WB and Roger. It's possible for him to be above Kaido.

Nope. You have no no idea how that confrontation went down, it's not really usable in a debate like this because we have zero details on how it happened.

There's no way any Yonko is gonna fight with another Yonko and it won't be an extreme diff fight. Seeing as Shanks arrived at Marineford without a scratch, we know a fight between them never happened. Not only that, but if Kaido fought Shanks, he wouldn't have much to gain even if he won. Him and Shanks, being Yonko, are already recognized to be on the same level as each other. The Yonko also don't usually fight against each other, so aside from ¨Oh a Yonko fought another Yonko, that's odd,¨ Kaido wouldn't have really gained anything from defeating Shanks. Instead, he'd lose his opportunity to intercept Whitebeard before he got to Marineford and be in a condition where he'd be unable to fight, much less combat the Marines and Whitebeard at one time, which would have had to happen as by the time the two finished, Whitebeard would have already been at Marineford. Therefore, it'd make more sense to just drop it and acquire what he was looking for another way.

Shanks could have also made a deal with Kaido. Before you say ¨But Kaido can't be reasoned with!¨, that's not true. Kaido can be reasoned and made deals with, as seen with the fact that he's involved in deals with Doflamingo and Caesar. He just can't be reasoned with once he's angry. Shanks could have simply managed to make him a deal that he liked, avoiding anger and being why he dropped going after Whitebeard. This is equally as likely as you simply saying ¨Oh Shanks stopped him cuz he's above him¨ which is what makes this situation unusable: Unreliability.

 

[A v i]

Nope. You have no no idea how that confrontation went down, it's not really usable in a debate like this because we have zero details on how it happened.

There's no way any Yonko is gonna fight with another Yonko and it won't be an extreme diff fight. Seeing as Shanks arrived at Marineford without a scratch, we know a fight between them never happened. Not only that, but if Kaido fought Shanks, he wouldn't have much to gain even if he won. Him and Shanks, being Yonko, are already recognized to be on the same level as each other. The Yonko also don't usually fight against each other, so aside from ¨Oh a Yonko fought another Yonko, that's odd,¨ Kaido wouldn't have really gained anything from defeating Shanks. Instead, he'd lose his opportunity to intercept Whitebeard before he got to Marineford and be in a condition where he'd be unable to fight, much less combat the Marines and Whitebeard at one time, which would have had to happen as by the time the two finished, Whitebeard would have already been at Marineford. Therefore, it'd make more sense to just drop it and acquire what he was looking for another way.

There isn't anything that suggests your claim of Yonko being too close in terms of strength. Marines clearly said that they fought. If my memory serves me right. Marines reports regarding Yonko were never proved to be wrong. When Shanks met WB they clearly said that they made a contact with each other. They didn't mistook it as a fight. Even when they said Shanks, Kaido and WB were making moves their info was accurate.

What do you mean by he won't gain anything by defeating Shanks? I am pretty sure I don't have to explain about what a yonko can gain by defeating another to someone like you. Besides, we have discussed this shit on numerous occasions so I don't really feel like repeating same stuff again. Needless to say that Kaido most likely has a fleet along with him since he was planning to take on WB along with his allies. If he really was stronger than Shanks then dealing with Shanks and his single battle ship shouldn't be much of a deal for him.

Shanks could have also made a deal with Kaido. Before you say ¨But Kaido can't be reasoned with!¨, that's not true. Kaido can be reasoned and made deals with, as seen with the fact that he's involved in deals with Doflamingo and Caesar. He just can't be reasoned with once he's angry. Shanks could have simply managed to make him a deal that he liked, avoiding anger and being why he dropped going after Whitebeard. This is equally as likely as you simply saying ¨Oh Shanks stopped him cuz he's above him¨ which is what makes this situation unusable: Unreliability.

I have never said that it is impossible to make deals with him. The thing is that it is impossible to do so once he gets angry. That's how manga portrayed him so far. If something as simple as losing Smile can make him mad enough to hunt down people that are responsible fot it then I have no doubt in my mind about the point of Shanks getting in his way when he's about make a big move that can literally shake the whole world being more than enough to make him angry to a point where he won't listen to anyone around him.

I hope you understand that we are talking about WB's head. There is no way in hell for Shanks to offer something that can replace the value of WB's head. The fact that he was planning to take on WB hints that he went through hell lot of preparations and shit, And you are telling me that he'd just quietly withdraw his objective just because Shanks come up with a nice deal?Lol Not a chance in hell.

I agree with the point of him accepting his offer but was not because it was a nice deal. He has no choice but to accept it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There isn't anything that suggests your claim of Yonko being too close in terms of strength. Marines clearly said that they fought. If my memory serves me right. Marines reports regarding Yonko were never proved to be wrong. When Shanks met WB they clearly said that they made a contact with each other. They didn't mistook it as a fight. Even when they said Shanks, Kaido and WB were making moves their info was accurate.

What do you mean by he won't gain anything by defeating Shanks? I am pretty sure I don't have to explain about what a yonko can gain by defeating another to someone like you. Besides, we have discussed this shit on numerous occasions so I don't really feel like repeating same stuff again. Needless to say that Kaido most likely has a fleet along with him since he was planning to take on WB along with his allies. If he really was stronger than Shanks then dealing with Shanks and his single battle ship shouldn't be much of a deal for him.



I have never said that it is impossible to make deals with him. The thing is that it is impossible to do so once he gets angry. That's how manga portrayed him so far. If something as simple as losing Smile can make him mad enough to hunt down people that are responsible fot it then I have no doubt in my mind about the point of Shanks getting in his way when he's about make a big move that can literally shake the whole world is more than enough to make him angry to a point where he won't listen to anyone around him.

I hope you understand that we are talking about WB's head. There is no way in hell for Shanks to offer something that can replace the value of WB's head. The fact that he was planning to take on WB hints that he went through hell lot of preparations and shit, And you are telling me that he'd just quietly withdraw his objective just because Shanks come up with a nice deal?Lol Not a chance in hell.

I agree with the point of him accepting his offer but was not because it was a nice deal. He has no choice but to accept it.

Well, if you really believe the characters who make up the highest tier of the OP verse aren't close in strength, then there really isn't much point in debating this further. If you really think any of the Yonko are so far above another this way, then good for you pal.

 

[A v i]

Well, if you really believe the characters who make up the highest tier of the OP verse aren't close in strength, then there really isn't much point in debating this further. If you really think any of the Yonko are so far above another this way, then good for you pal.

I have never said that I don't think they are close but the thing is that there isn't really anything that makes them too close. WB for example is a top tier and he was still stronger than any other pirate in OP verse despite of being old as F***. That explains how big the difference b/w younger version of him and the other dudes so it isn't really an implausible case. Rayleigh for example managed to fight on equal grounds with an active admiral despite of being old and he didn't even fought for like 20+ Years yet he can match an admiral. Those two points clearly hints that all top tiers are not close in terms of strength.



Only thing we can tell for sure from what we have seen is that Shanks was pretty close to Old and healthy WB.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I have never said that I don't think they are close but the thing is that there isn't really anything that makes them too close. WB for example is a top tier and he was still stronger than any other pirate in OP verse despite of being old as F***. That explains how big the difference b/w younger version of him and the other dudes so it isn't really an implausible case. Only thing we can tell for sure from what we have seen is that Shanks was pretty close to Old and healthy WB.

lol alright

 

[A v i]

lol alright

You can take Rayleigh as another example.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You can take Rayleigh as another example.

You're still talking to me?

 

[A v i]

You're still talking to me?

Is there anyone beside you and me that's involved in this discussion? You can just choose to ignore my post if you don't want to continue this.